Day 293 - 04 Nov 96 - Page 30


     
     1        not at the moment at all convinced it is right.  And no one
     2        actually did the calculation which you have done on your
     3        sheet of paper.
     4
     5   MR. MORRIS:   Right.
     6
     7   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   Even supposing, which at the moment I have
     8        no reason to suppose, the 800 pounds was an uplift of the
     9        350, or whatever it was, that Mr. Harring wrote, the
    10        figures you come out with are either 10 or 20 times what
    11        you have got from his figures.  And he, you say, was
    12        working on sustainable basis, and his figures are much
    13        higher than anyone else's.
    14
    15   MR. MORRIS:   He was doing that in 1972 when McDonald's were
    16        probably at least a tenth of the size, maybe a tenth of the
    17        size they are now.
    18
    19   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   Anyway, carry on.  You put your argument and
    20        then I will hear what, if anything, Mr. Rampton says and I
    21        will have to make a decision on it, if I think it is
    22        important.
    23
    24   MR. MORRIS:   Anyway, this was put to Mr. Mallinson, and he is
    25        the expert.  Although it was very confusing the way
    26        everything was going in different directions and the
    27        information was ----
    28
    29   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   This will be my last interruption.  I can
    30        see why that is so, because if, rightly or wrongly, you
    31        have said that if we work in this way the forest is
    32        sustainable, and you are happy yourself that the
    33        sustainable forest is of the kind he is talking about is
    34        ecologically acceptable, and provided you are not depriving
    35        the earth surface of any significant part of its cover of
    36        trees, it does not matter how many thousands of square
    37        miles they are, the forest is going on working and living
    38        all the time.
    39
    40        There is a difference between him and Mr. Hopkins about
    41        that, but your areas, provided you have got the areas, do
    42        not matter, because it is like taking apples off a tree
    43        each August or something.
    44
    45   MR. MORRIS:   Obviously, our case is that the plantation
    46        forestry is damaging to the environment.
    47
    48   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I understand all that, but -----
    49
    50   MR. MORRIS:   I think everyone agrees with it. 
    51 
    52   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If you adopt his view of it, no one needs to 
    53        get down to how many square miles or acres it is.
    54
    55   MR. MORRIS:   I would say Mr. Mallinson accepted our case on the
    56        environmental damage.  He did not maybe agree to it to the
    57        same extent that Mr. Hopkins did.
    58
    59   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What I am saying is, no-one does the exercise
    60        that you are seeking to do because it is not germane to

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