Day 104 - 15 Mar 95 - Page 60


     
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     2   Q.   In that report.  You did not qualify that with "depending
     3        on how well run the shed is", so do you accept that that is
     4        the maximum recommended stocking density and the shed -----
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     6   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I have to say I think on that topic we have
     7        had quite a lot of questions and answers.
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     9   MR. MORRIS:  If Mr. Rampton stops me ----.
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    11   MR. RAMPTON:  I am very, very anxious about this repetition. We
    12        have been round and round the same houses practically all
    13        afternoon.
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    15   MR. MORRIS:  I have hardly asked any questions of Mr. Pattison
    16        I am trying to clear up all the questions I have to ask.
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    18   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You carry on.
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    20   MR. MORRIS:  I was pointing out -----
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    22   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Doing your best, as I accept you are, but on
    23        that point I do think -----
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    25   MR. MORRIS:  I just wanted to show that it was actually in his
    26        recommendations and not qualified by what he had said in
    27        court and to give him a chance to answer, that is only
    28        fair.
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    30        (To the witness) Your standards of animal welfare and
    31        standards in Britain in general, are they high in terms of
    32        conditions around the world?  Are they accepted as being
    33        high standards of animal welfare, or better standards than
    34        other countries in the league table of world countries?
    35        A.  I think that is such a general question that, quite
    36        honestly, you see good and bad in every husbandry system
    37        all over the world and not just with chickens, with all
    38        sorts of animals.
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    40   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think are you merely being asked whether
    41        the UK is in Premier Division or the First, Second or Third
    42        really?
    43        A.  And I am finding it difficult to say.
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    45   Q.   If you cannot say, say "I cannot say"?
    46        A.  Because I think poultry systems throughout the world
    47        are inherently variable and there are good parts and bad
    48        parts in many systems.  I think it is such a general
    49        comment. The only thing I would say is that British people
    50        and British stockmen by and large have very high standards 
    51        and the people who live on and manage farms do care very 
    52        much for their stock but there are always exceptions. 
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    54   MR. MORRIS:  Would they have higher standards and greater
    55        standards of care than other countries?  Are they in the
    56        premier league of that?
    57        A.  I have to say that I have seen many poultry systems all
    58        over the world and I would say that the UK are very good,
    59        but I have also seen good systems in other parts of the
    60        world as well.

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