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1 fairly and it has been documented extensively.
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3 Q. If you take two twins and restrict one of their's movements
4 so they cannot go out walking, run around, you stick them
5 in a cage and feed them as much as they want to eat, the
6 one that is in the cage and cannot move around is the one
7 that is going to put on the weight, is it not?
8 A. Let me clarify that and give you a specific example:
9 Take two chickens, from when they first start their life
10 you put one in a cage, you put one outdoors. You will see
11 that the chicken that is in a cage will gain more weight
12 than the chicken that is outside.
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14 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes. Ms. Steel is putting it to you by her
15 question that that in part, at least, is because the one in
16 the cage is less mobile. That is, I think, what the
17 purpose of her previous question was. What do you say
18 about that?
19 A. OK. If the chicken in a cage thinks that that is their
20 environment, that is their house, if he does not know that
21 there is an outdoors, and if their biological functions are
22 fulfilled in terms of feed, water and light, then he will
23 gain more weight. He will be a healthier animal.
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25 MS. STEEL: You are associating gaining weight with being
26 healthier; there is no reason why those two things should
27 be automatically linked, is there?
28 A. You can make -- there is a high correlation with that.
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30 Q. What else is there for them to do in a cage apart from sit
31 there and put on weight?
32 A. I am sorry, I did not hear your question.
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34 Q. What else is there for them to do in the cage apart from
35 sit there and put on weight, eat and put on weight?
36 A. That is their environment. If I may clarify one thing
37 that, hopefully, will explain my point? There is a
38 distinct difference between humans and animals. If you
39 look, and it has been fairly documented in psychology books
40 and research, a major difference between humans and animals
41 is that we are aware, it is what is called an awareness
42 factor. We know our position on this earth. I could see
43 myself, I can envision myself out of this planet and look
44 down from the moon, look at Earth and see the continent and
45 see the islands and that I know where I am. I know I am in
46 court right now. I know that I have a choice to go
47 somewhere else. I know that something else is out there.
48 Animals do not have that ability. Animals do not have that
49 choice, and that is how they evolve. That is the big
50 difference.
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52 Q. How do you know they have not got that ability?
53 A. If you let me finish? An animal who is born and raised
54 in a cage does not know, it is not aware, that there is an
55 outdoors. It is not aware that he has a choice. An animal
56 assumes that that is their environment and it will be
57 comfortable in that environment. That is a fact.
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59 Q. That is an assumption you are making?
60 A. It is a big difference. It is an assumption that has
