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     1        the rider "if he remembered".  You may say afterwards he
     2        would be bound to recall because it is the whole subject of
     3        the investigation.
     4
     5   MR. MORRIS:  Yes.  Where you have got on page 7, "that I seem to
     6        take control" -- "she also wrote the minutes and the
     7        agenda", is basically the taking control that you are
     8        talking about starting off the agendas and taking the
     9        minutes?
    10        A.   It may be, from reading it, you would have turned up
    11        at some stage, for some reason I put "taken control".  In
    12        what capacity, I cannot recall.
    13
    14   Q.   Right.  I might have said, "Let's get on with it" and got a
    15        piece of paper out the drawer and said, "Right. Start the
    16        agenda.   Pass it on."
    17        A.   You may well have done, yes.
    18
    19   Q.   Right.  You would not mean from that that I was telling
    20        everybody when they could speak and when they could not
    21        speak, or anything of that nature?
    22        A.   Not necessarily, no.
    23
    24   Q.   Right.  There were not usually chairs at the meetings --
    25        well, there were not ever chairs at the meetings at 5
    26        Caledonian Road were there?
    27        A.   Somebody would take the minutes of the meeting and
    28        move along or basically keep the meeting going rather than
    29        it stagnating.
    30
    31   Q.   Right.  The person with the agenda would say, "Come on, it
    32        is time to move on to something different", is it not?
    33        A.   I cannot recall particularly who would have done it
    34        but the person taking the agenda, or taking the minutes,
    35        but somebody would have prompted members to move on, if it
    36        needed prompting.
    37
    38   Q.   But it was not like a formal meeting.  You did not have to
    39        put your hand up to speak and ask the Chair if that was OK
    40        to speak?
    41        A.   No, it was not a formal meeting such as that.
    42
    43   Q.   Do you actually, specifically, remember any occasion when
    44        you took away a copy of the fact sheet that is the subject
    45        of the action?
    46        A.   Without looking at my notes, no.  I do not recall.
    47
    48   Q.   Right.  So if it is not in your notes you would not have
    49        any recollection of it other than relying entirely on your
    50        notes? 
    51        A.   I would be relying entirely on my notes. 
    52 
    53   Q.   Right.  If you look at your notes for 4th January 1990 this
    54        is a meeting -- actually, it says "meet near 5 Caledonian
    55        Road."   What do you mean by that?
    56        A.   I do not recall.  It might be "rear."  Or "near".  I
    57        cannot recall.
    58
    59   Q.   Did you meet somebody else before going to the meeting?
    60        A.   I would not have done.  I may have met a colleague

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