Day 007 - 06 Jul 94 - Page 78
1 Q. But in 1989, for example, virtually all the paper used was
not recycled, yes, we are talking about 6 per cent?
2 A. Yes, figures of 6 and 7 per cent for those years.
3 Q. In other words, the figure that was finally established,
whatever the calculations, of 9 square miles, is going to
4 be at least somewhere around half of the figure if there
was no recycled content?
5 A. So, if the allegation would be made that 100 per cent
of 181,000 would take 18 square miles, then I guess that
6 would be correct.
7 Q. Something like that.
A. But we did not use that much paper packaging in 1987
8 or 1988.
9 Q. No, it was slightly lower. It was something like 150,000
tonnes?
10 A. Yes, it would have been proportionately lower.
11 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You have the figures there and we can start
to do our arithmetic again with selecting the figures for
12 any given year.
13 MR. MORRIS: Yes.
14 MR. JUSTICE BELL: If we went back two or three years we would
find far less recycled paper, but then we would find far
15 less paper anyway. We could work out what effect that had
on square miles, assuming your approach is a valid one?
16 A. We could.
17 MR. MORRIS: Is it true, though, that at every stage in the
process from chopping down a tree to final packaging in
18 McDonald's stores, that there is lossage and wastage at
all stages?
19 A. That is why when I quantified I did not look at
trees. I looked at the volume of pulp that comes off of a
20 given acre and that accounted for all the losses. The US
DA says that you will get X tonnes of pulp from a given --
21 they are the figures we presented.
22 Q. Yes, but pulp surely turned into packaging has to be
refined, moulded and cut?
23 A. Hundred per cent yield, 99.9 per cent yield of the
pulp to paper packaging; industrial recycling of the trim
24 scrap is 100 per cent efficient. It is a valuable raw
material they are not going to throw away.
25
Q. I do not know. I mean, we were under the impression that
26 there is such a thing as post-industrial waste that may be
reused. We do not know if they calculate that in their
27 figures, do we?
A. No. The US DA has figures here showing how much paper
28 you will get from a given acreage. That is the figures
I used.
29
Q. We do not know if they calculate post-industrial waste and
30 whether that is taken into consideration?
A. It would have to be.
