Day 261 - 12 Jun 96 - Page 57
1 asking him to accept something which, very sensibly, he
2 said he cannot accept. You may turn out to be right, but
3 this witness cannot -----
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5 MR. MORRIS: I am just putting something so that you know what
6 my case is.
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8 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You have made it fairly clear that you are
9 relying upon lack of attendance at the meetings.
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11 MS. STEEL: Can I just ask you one other thing? You said you
12 did not remember about New Zealand John. You referred this
13 morning to a letter answering session which lasted from
14 10.30 to 6.30, or some time like that, and that was with
15 Andrew and New Zealand John. Does that refresh your memory
16 about who he was and the fact that he was a regular
17 attender at the meetings?
18 A. I certainly cannot picture him. The name is familiar.
19 With hindsight, I cannot remember who the letter writing
20 session or that particular session was with. If that is
21 what the notes say, then I am relying on the notes.
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23 MS. STEEL: OK. If we go to the notes of 2nd October again.
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25 MR. MORRIS: Sorry -- if we can jump to 1st March 1990, the
26 notes, I would appreciate it.
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28 MR. JUSTICE BELL: They are page 92.
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30 MR. MORRIS: Yes?
31 A. Yes, I have those.
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33 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Sorry, I would like to correct that. Will
34 you turn back to page 89, because the fuller copy is at
35 page 89. Page 92 was a more edited version.
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37 MR. MORRIS: You say in these notes, towards the bottom of the
38 first page that I was 36 years old and in the group for
39 over 10 years, and I have been out of the group looking
40 after my female partner and their child.
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42 "His partner suffered a broken leg and the four month old
43 baby suffered a broken leg and broken wrists after they
44 fell 10 to 15 feet from a ledge."
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46 It is not a secret; that was in August 1989, I believe, and
47 they were in hospital for about a month after that. You
48 recorded that at the time?
49 A. Yes.
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51 Q. That I had said all that?
52 A. I do not know who said it. I do not know where the
53 information came from, but I recorded that as a result of
54 the meeting.
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56 MR. MORRIS: Right. That is actually quite -- no.
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58 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Someone said it at the meeting. If it was
59 not Mr. Morris, it was in his presence because he was
60 there; and that is consistent with your own observations of
