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         MR. MORRIS:  Yes.  I just got the impression may be we should
     2        ask you all the cows you viewed, cattle you viewed, were
              they cows, dairy cows, when you made your report, plant A
     3        and B?
              A.  At plant A, they were all cows; at plant B, they were
     4        predominantly cows.
 
     5   Q.   May be we could use the word "cattle" generally?
              A.  Except in the lairage in plant A where I observed
     6        other animals besides cows, other cattle besides cows.
 
     7   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If Mr. Morris just refers to "cattle", if
              there is a valid distinction to be made in any respect,
     8        you tell us?
              A.  Certainly.
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         MR. MORRIS:  If I say "cow" I probably mean cattle?
    10        A.  I understand.
 
    11   Q.   The stunning pen, the slaughterman was also equipped with
              an electric goad.  Yes, that is correct?
    12        A.  Yes.
 
    13   Q.   At that point would they also be within eyeshot of another
              cow?
    14        A.  It depends where exactly you are with regard to the
              stunning pen.  Once an animal is loaded into the stunning
    15        pen, there is a rear guillotine gate which comes down
              which would obscure the view from the animal behind it.
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         Q.   But once it is loaded, presumably, the goad would not be
    17        used?
              A.  Typically, a goad would be used in order to get an
    18        animal under the guillotine gate when the stunning pen is
              vacant and they want to fill it.
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         Q.   Get it into the stunning pen?
    20        A.  Precisely.
 
    21   Q.   Before it goes into the stunning pen the goad may be used
              at that point?
    22        A.  That is correct.
 
    23   Q.   And other cows would be still following behind?
              A.  There could be a cow immediately behind the one that
    24        is so treated.
 
    25   Q.   Are the cows reluctant -- sorry, the cattle, are they
              reluctant to go into the stunning pen? 
    26        A.  That is not unusual. 
  
    27   Q.   In your experience, is that one out of every three cattle
              or one out of ten?  I am not talking about this particular
    28        one.
              A.  I would say with all cattle, once the gate is lifted,
    29        you have to prompt the animal to go on.  It does not jump
              in there.  There are various ways of prompting.  You can
    30        just walk behind the animal and that might be sufficient.
              If it refuses to go even under those circumstances, then

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