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1 suppliers in this country of hamburgers, said, that they
2 get German supplies in this country. This was at the
3 bottom of page 42 and top of page 43.
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5 MR JUSTICE BELL: Which day do you have that?
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7 MR. MORRIS: Sorry, that is day 78. But I am not sure of the
8 exact percentages. We did have a chart somewhere with
9 percentages on. I could not find it. (Pause).
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11 MR JUSTICE BELL: Do not slow things up now, because you can
12 always come back to it and give me the reference later,
13 Mr. Morris.
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15 MR. MORRIS: Yes, but if I do not find it now I will probably
16 never find it.
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18 MR JUSTICE BELL: Yes, I know. You quite frankly cannot afford
19 the time to pause in your submissions until something is
20 found.
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22 MR. MORRIS: No. I am not going to go into the detail of
23 Schumm's statement, because I am not going to argue that he
24 does the whole job for us. So then he says on page 44 of
25 day 78, "What kind of cow meat would you get from France?"
26 -- that is line 52 -- "Would you get cows, would you get
27 steers?" Answer, "You would get a mixture of both. I
28 mean, we buy steer beef from France", and et cetera, et
29 cetera, et cetera. Question, "Would that apply to Germany,
30 as well?" Answer, "Yes." So they get both cows and steers
31 from Germany -- well, cow beef and steer beef from Germany
32 -- for UK use, for UK customers.
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34 And, as I am going to show -- well, I will not show, but it
35 is demonstrated by Schumm and other sources -- that we know
36 that the steer beef uses a greatly magnified amount of feed
37 from the cow beef, which is all that Schumm concentrated on
38 in order to, of course, reduce the damage that the issue
39 was causing in Germany. There was public criticism.
40 (Pause) In fact, I think I made the argument which was not
41 persuasive of you at the time, on day 98, page 66, and so
42 on. But I am not hundred percent sure on that. So that
43 will save me repeating the whole argument.
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45 I did also put to Mr. Cesca, which I will just flag up a
46 little bit.
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48 MR JUSTICE BELL: Yes, I remember that.
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50 MR. MORRIS: To save you having to go to Schumm's actual
51 statement. I think one of the reasons it was not
52 persuasive is, first of all, that there was not in Schumm's
53 statement direct relevance to which areas McDonald's cattle
54 -- well, what McDonald's cattle themselves would be
55 consuming. Well, we had a dispute about that. I felt it
56 was quite clear, but it was not as clear as may be enough.
57 But, obviously, Mr. Cesca -- I will go to what Mr. Cesca
58 said on that subject. So, that is what I will do now.
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60 MR JUSTICE BELL: Well, he said, in answer to a question from
