Day 192 - 27 Nov 95 - Page 39


     
     1        positions during the campaign, vote campaign.  Have you got
     2        the -- I do not think the witness has this one, the second
     3        document, which is the "Who needs a union?"
     4
     5   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That was the first, I thought.  In fact,
     6        I put a "1" on that, a "2" on the one we have just looked
     7        at, and a "3" on "What is a union contract?"
     8
     9   MR. MORRIS:  OK.  Sorry.  At the bottom of that first document
    10        that we have looked at, document number 2 in fact, it has
    11        got at the bottom:  "Just the facts.  Candid Cam", and a
    12        signature.  Was there a signature on that?
    13        A.  Yes.
    14
    15   Q.   This is document number 1, "Who needs a union?"  Can you
    16        explain what this document is?  I have the original here,
    17        but I think it is the same.  Can you what explain what this
    18        document is and what was done with it?
    19        A.  This was put in the crew room during the campaign for
    20        the vote, apparently, by the intervening employers against
    21        the union; and along with it there was an invitation for
    22        staff that wanted to go to Sabina Iurillo's house for a
    23        pizza party.  What happened, I attended that with
    24        Courtney Gill; and what they did, they ordered pizzas, you
    25        had pop -- it was all paid for, I do not know by who -- and
    26        they went through the list on each side, disadvantages with
    27        the union and your advantages with -- disadvantages with
    28        the union and your advantages without a union -- saying
    29        that McDonald's does not need a union.  Each point that
    30        they brought up, Courtney and I sort of gave them our
    31        opinion, sort of refuted what they were saying almost on
    32        every point.
    33
    34   Q.   I have not got my notes.  I probably gave them to someone
    35        by mistake.  Can you just have a look down both columns and
    36        pick out any things which you feel are particularly
    37        significant in this leaflet -- significant because they are
    38        not true, or for some other reason?
    39        A.  The first one on "disadvantages with a union", "you
    40        could end up making less than the minimum wage", that was
    41        told to us by Cam on the October 5th meeting in the
    42        (inaudible).  "Promotions" -- on the same list
    43        -- "promotions may not be based on seniority -- may be
    44        based on seniority and not ability"; that is not true in
    45        union contracts.
    46
    47   Q.   Sorry, ability is always -----
    48        A.  Ability is generally number 1 in union contracts.
    49
    50   Q.   But seniority would be part of it? 
    51        A.  Seniority would be part of it, but it would not be the 
    52        first reason. 
    53
    54   Q.   Any other comment, as you go down the list?
    55        A.  The second last one:  Shop stewards are usually the
    56        loudest union supporters and often get better treatment";
    57        in fact, they actually get -- from what I have heard, they
    58        can get worse treatment as well, because they are the most
    59        pro-union people that fill out these forms, right.
    60

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