Day 245 - 07 May 96 - Page 72


     
     1        like, for example, putting out your own information or
     2        answering customer inquiries?
     3        A.  Well, they may have answered some inquiries.  I do not
     4        know.  Certainly -----
     5
     6   Q.   I am asking you about what -- where you talk about it
     7        there, keeping you abreast of activities, I am asking what
     8        they were telling you?
     9        A.  I was only concerned about the McLibel stuff.
    10
    11   Q.   OK.  Can I just ask you this?  In paragraph 6 of your
    12        statement you talk about, "As well as receiving reports
    13        about the case and reading the Defendants' literature, I
    14        have attended court on numerous occasions throughout the
    15        trial and have observed the conduct of the Defendants".
    16        What is that supposed to mean?
    17        A.  Watched you in a courtroom.
    18
    19   Q.   Yes.
    20
    21   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think you are being asked what you have
    22        seen, which is what you particularly have in mind?
    23        A.  I have seen numerous outbursts of temper.  I have seen
    24        an attitude that seems to be oblivious to the facts on
    25        occasions.  I have seen argumentativeness.  I think I have
    26        cemented in my own mind that which I saw in the aims and
    27        objectives document:  The objective of yourselves is to
    28        smash McDonald's.
    29
    30   MS. STEEL:   So, basically, you have seen us strongly arguing
    31        our case which you do not believe is true but we certainly
    32        do -- what you are referring to is that we are strongly
    33        defending our case?
    34        A.  No, I did not say that.  I said I saw outbursts of
    35        temper; I said I saw destructiveness.  I thought I saw on
    36        occasion this disregard for the facts.
    37
    38   Q.   What are you referring to, "destructiveness"?
    39        A.  I saw a gentleman whom I respect in this box named
    40        David Walker be called a liar for no reason whatsoever,
    41        unsubstantiated, and to this day I cannot understand why.
    42        I would be surprised if the court understands why.  I saw
    43        that as a, "We are going to smash McDonald's at any and all
    44        costs".
    45
    46   Q.   What are you referring to about destructiveness?
    47        A.  Mr. Walker incident.
    48
    49   Q.  So, calling Mr. Walker a liar is destructive?
    50        A.  In the circumstances, I very much think so. 
    51 
    52   Q.   So, when Mr. Rampton has called our witnesses, or some of 
    53        them, liars, then that is destructive, is it?
    54        A.  I do not know what Mr. Rampton who he has called what;
    55        I have not been here every day.  It is difficult to comment
    56        without knowing.  I did see the David Walker incident
    57        myself.
    58
    59   Q.   But it did not think to enter your mind that the reason we
    60        might be calling Mr. Walker a liar is because we believed

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