Day 278 - 11 Jul 96 - Page 44


     
     1        have a clue what they were.  I did not have a clue how you
     2        were supposed to deal with them or anything, and that that
     3        was why we did get legal advice on how to answer them.
     4        When I referred about my experience of people in the legal
     5        profession, I was referring to, well, in reality, what I am
     6        referring to is the way that the plaintiffs' solicitors
     7        have said things in this case which have then turned out
     8        not to be the case.
     9
    10             Can I just say about the leaflets on the table at
    11        Endsleigh Street, it is my recollection that generally most
    12        of them were about coming events, and so that being the
    13        case, they would probably be ones that people brought along
    14        from the last event that they had been on, where that is
    15        generally how word gets around about what is going on.  You
    16        are on a demonstration, you get told about another event or
    17        meeting or picket or whatever, you get a handful of
    18        leaflets and then you pass them on to other people to let
    19        them know what is going on.  And that is in terms of what
    20        was available there.  That is my recollection, that in the
    21        main they were things about coming events.
    22
    23             Yes.  This is from the transcript yesterday, and I
    24        don't know whether you have got the transcript yet or not.
    25
    26   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Well, I have, but just tell me what it is?
    27        A.  It is on page 64 and Mr. Rampton asked a question about
    28        the people at the meeting of the 2nd August 1990, about
    29        "They were all old hands, people who have been in the
    30        group for some considerable time by this stage, that is to
    31        say Mr. Morris", and then I answered "Except Vibes and
    32        Mark", and I do not think that I actually heard Mr. Rampton
    33        say the bit about Mr. Morris.  I mean I am not saying he
    34        did not say it I just don't think I heard it.  It may have
    35        been that I was talking over the top of him with the reply,
    36        but in terms of Mr. Morris obviously his involvement with
    37        the group had started a long time ago, but in terms of what
    38        his involvement was over that period, he was not, he was
    39        not really involved because he hardly went to any
    40        meetings.
    41
    42             So just -- just about Mr. Rampton said about having
    43        seen my behaviour in court and I just want to say that I
    44        note that he did not have the courage to put it to me
    45        specifically what he was referring to.  But if what he
    46        suggested to Jane Laporte is true about my behaviour, how
    47        is it that none of the private investigators who were at so
    48        many meetings which I was at have said anything about me
    49        being -- whatever the word that was put last week,
    50        intimidating, or -- I can't remember all the things he said
    51        -- or volatile or forceful, how come there is not a single
    52        reference to any such thing in the spy's notes?
    53
    54             The point is that how, as I said, how I behave in
    55        court when I am representing myself and I have to argue on
    56        my own behalf about something which is going to affect my
    57        future, is not the same as how I would argue in a meeting,
    58        or how I might express myself in a meeting.  And obviously,
    59        the other thing is that we are under a massive amount of
    60        pressure.  It has been extremely exhausting and it is not

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