Day 095 - 02 Mar 95 - Page 66


     
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     2   MR. MORRIS:  You have travelled in Brazil?
     3        A.  Yes.
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     5   Q.   The Amazon frontier according to the key is that red line
     6        at the southern end of the Amazon, yes?
     7        A.  That is correct.
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     9   Q.   Around the Amazon?
    10        A.  That is correct.
    11
    12   Q.   --- area.
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    14   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Could someone tell me what the top left to
    15        the bottom right hatching is on the key?
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    17   MR. MORRIS:  Sparse forest.
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    19   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I can see it is rainforest on the top.
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    21   MR. MORRIS:  My Lord, Mr. Morris is not right.  Rainforest then
    22        dense forest.
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    24   MR. MORRIS:  Then sparse forest.  So, originally the Amazon
    25        rainforest would have reached to the frontier?
    26        A.  I am not sure.
    27
    28   Q.   The Amazon flood basin that would reach the frontier, yes?
    29        A.  Originally I answered the question.
    30
    31   Q.   The Amazon rainforest would have been defined by the area
    32        within that red line originally?
    33        A.  OK.  Yes, what it means is that when we went into
    34        Brazil we met with the agricultural and forestry people and
    35        defined by several organisations, defined what is the
    36        Amazon and what it means.  We draw a map of what it is and
    37        that is what it means.
    38
    39   Q.   So originally, I know the Amazon now has not been ----
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    41   MR. RAMPTON:  I think Mr. Morris has to say what he means by
    42        "originally" -- 1600, 1900 1985?
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    44   MR. MORRIS:  But the frontier of the Amazon rainforest, when
    45        would that have been ----
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    47   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Hold on because you have introduced the
    48        rainforest.  What the key says is "Amazon frontier".
    49        Whether that means rainforest at one time or not I do not
    50        know. 
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    52   MR. MORRIS:  Where are the areas that have been deforested, say, 
    53        in the last 50 years?  You accept that a lot of the Amazon
    54        has been deforested in the last 50 years?
    55        A.  Yes.
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    57   Q.   McDonald's accept that.  We have letters on that.  Where in
    58        that map in the shaded area, in the southern part of the
    59        shaded area, has most of the deforestation taken place?
    60        A.  That one I do not know.

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