Day 166 - 28 Sep 95 - Page 22


     
     1        7.00 in the morning.  Nobody worked that long a shift from
     2        7.00.  Even now my own staff, now they finish at 2.30 or
     3        2.00 or 2.30 or 3 o'clock at the latest, perhaps.
     4
     5   Q.   Mr. Magill was a full-time worker, yes?
     6        A.  Yes.
     7
     8   Q.   A full-time worker generally would work at least 35 hours a
     9        week?
    10        A.  Across five shifts, yes.
    11
    12   Q.   Right.  The time that workers spend on breaks is not
    13        included in that, is it?  They were not paid for their
    14        bricks, were they?
    15        A.  No, they were not
    16
    17   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  When you are talking about breaks, it may be
    18        rather pedantic; can you distinguish, say which breaks you
    19        mean?
    20
    21   MS. STEEL:   OK.  According to the statement of Mr. Magill which
    22        I might -----
    23
    24   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No, just forget the statement, but just what
    25        you are putting when you put a question; whether you
    26        mean  ---
    27
    28   MS. STEEL:  Yes, I am trying to put that, sorry.
    29
    30   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  -- mid-shift and drinks breaks or just
    31        mid-shift breaks or whatever you mean to put anyway.
    32
    33   MS. STEEL (To the witness):  Mr. Magill said in his statement,
    34        which I believe you have agreed with in your statement --
    35        I cannot remember exactly where it was -- that staff had to
    36        clock off at all their breaks?
    37        A.  Yes.
    38
    39   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Including drinks breaks?
    40        A.  No.
    41
    42   MS. STEEL:   That did not include drinks breaks?
    43        A.  No.  Staff do not clock off for drinks breaks.
    44
    45   Q.   So, apart from the lunch time break, what would be the
    46        other breaks -- it is meal breaks, is it, that they are
    47        clocking off for?
    48        A.  That is probably the best thing to describe it as, as a
    49        meal break rather than anything else.
    50 
    51   Q.   OK.  How long generally would they take for a meal break? 
    52        What was their entitlement? 
    53        A.  The 45 minutes.
    54
    55   Q.   45 minutes, right.  If Mr. Magill was only working from
    56        7.00 until 2.00, even if he worked throughout that whole
    57        period without a meal break, five days a week, that would
    58        be 35 hours.  If you take off the meal break, which,
    59        presumably, Mr. Magill had, or he says he had, I think,
    60        that would be less than 35 hours?

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