Day 174 - 17 Oct 95 - Page 13


     
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     2   MR. MORRIS:  Right.  He was never charged with any criminal
     3        offence, was he, for his so-called actions on the picket
     4        line?
     5        A.  I cannot recall whether he was or was not.
     6        I think, from memory, reading through the documentation,
     7        there were occasions when he certainly was spoken to by the
     8        police.  I think your question is: was he charged?  I do
     9        not know.
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    11   Q.   You do not know if he was being charged?
    12        A.  I do not know.  There were lot of things that were
    13        happening.
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    15   Q.   You said there were a lot of strikes in Ireland at the
    16        time?
    17        A.  Yes.
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    19   Q.   It is a matter of comment, really.  During strikes, there
    20        are temperatures raised on both sides, are there not?
    21        A.  There can be, yes.
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    23   MS. STEEL:  If Mr. Macken was dismissed because he was not a
    24        good employee and because you felt he was irresponsible on
    25        the picket line, why should Mr. Steve Copeland want to know
    26        about his dismissal?
    27        A.  Well, that is a matter of course.  I mean, I had come
    28        out of a dispute that had gone on a long time, so I was
    29        seeking to continue counsel with Mr. Copeland.
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    31   Q.   You wanted Mr. Copeland to know that you had got rid of the
    32        main (what you considered) troublemaker, did you not?
    33        A.  No.  As I say, I was keeping him informed of the
    34        situation in relation to the finish of the strike.  So, by
    35        way of course, I was keeping him informed.  That was the
    36        reason.
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    38   MR. MORRIS:  Now, the strike finished, and the union -- you
    39        change your statement, that you now remember that the union
    40        was still pressing for meetings as late as November 1979, a
    41        couple of months after the strike had finished; yes?
    42        A.  Yes.
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    44   MR. RAMPTON:  That is not what it says, my Lord.  It says one
    45        occasion.
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    47   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What are you looking at now?
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    49   MR. RAMPTON:  That is not what it says.  I actually gave the
    50        page references in the bundle which are relevant to the 
    51        amendment. 
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    53   MR. JUSTICE BELL: Where are you getting that from, Mr. Morris?
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    55   MR. MORRIS:  It is on his statement.
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    57   MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes, but where?
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    59   MR. MORRIS:  Sorry.  Page 170.
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