Day 006 - 05 Jul 94 - Page 63
1 Q. Yes, so if you failed doing your job, then that is the
kind of time when trade unions may be interested, or the
2 staff may become interested in trade unions; is that
correct?
3 A. You will have to ask them.
4 Q. We will be asking them later on in the trial, but I have a
chance to ask you now.
5 A. I cannot hardly answer for them, can I?
6 Q. So would you say that, for example, safety issues are of
concern to trade unions?
7 A. They might be.
8 Q. Would you say that employee conditions in general would be
a concern of trade unions?
9 A. They could very well be, yes.
10 Q. Would you say that wage levels would be of interest to
trade unions?
11 A. That is the one you read about most, yes.
12 Q. You have not had any experience of this, of course?
A. Have I? No, none.
13
Q. Would it bother you if trade unions started getting tens
14 of thousands of members amongst the McDonald's employees?
A. Would it bother me?
15
Q. Yes.
16 A. I have already said, if I thought some third party was
necessary to be invoked into the McDonald's
17 employer/employee relationship, I would feel as though
I had not done my job well. Would that bother me? Yes,
18 probably. I do take this business rather seriously --
whether you think so or not. The fact remains what you
19 allege has not happened, simply has not happened.
20 Q. As far as you know, for those countries which you are the
-- what is the position again?
21 A. Relationship partner.
22 Q. Has anybody been sacked in those countries for membership
of a trade union?
23 A. Not to my knowledge.
24 Q. Are you aware that in 1985 there were industrial
tribunals, two cases in Dublin where the labour laws ruled
25 that McDonald's had -----
A. The answer is, no, I am not aware of. I am not aware
26 of anything about the Irish situation other than something
did happen there about, I do not know, 10 or 12 years
27 ago. I was not part of any of it.
28 MR. JUSTICE BELL: What do you want to put in the
documentation, Mr. Morris?
29
MR. MORRIS: I am just going to it. Do you want to just check
30 volume 13B, pink, No. 60?
A. 13B -- what was the next bit?
