Day 007 - 06 Jul 94 - Page 85


     
     1        the packaging item prior to use and it meets all of our
              guidelines, so we do not go beyond that -- meets all of
     2        FDA's guidelines.  If you recall, the FDA does approve
              styrene ---
     3
         MR. MORRIS:  But there has been -----
     4        A.  -- an additive to food.
 
     5   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  The position is this, that Mr. Lipsett has
              put this up.  When he comes we will find the support for
     6        it, if there is any support.  If there is support and good
              support, the point will have been made.  If it is not, it
     7        falls away.  This witness has said:  "We abide by such
              regulatory provisions as they are" and it obviously does
     8        not concern him.  So the ball is at the moment ---
 
     9   MR. MORRIS:  In our court.
 
    10   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  -- in Mr. Lipsett's court, is it not?  And
              we just do not know to what extent he will elaborate on
    11        what is in his statement.  We will have to wait and see.
 
    12   MR. MORRIS:  There was the other matter of incineration of
              styrofoam, polystyrene.  I am a bit thrown off course.
    13        I did not know whether to go into these or not, but an
              assertion was made that it would not apply to McDonald's.
    14        I wanted to probe into that whole area really.
 
    15   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What was the assertion you had in mind?
 
    16   MR. MORRIS:  Mr. Kouchoukos said that the National Bureau of
              Standards Centre for fire research when they identified 57
    17        chemical by-products released during combustion of
              polystyrene foam during laboratory tests, "identify a
    18        number of  ... (reading to the words)  ... or burnt".
              I believe he said that that was something to do with a
    19        house fire.
 
    20   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  My word is "uncontrolled," but effectively
              uncontrolled combustion as opposed to the way things are
    21        incinerated for waste disposal.
 
    22   MR. MORRIS:  Mr. Kouchoukos, you are familiar with that report
              then?
    23        A.  No, I have not seen the report.  I have talked to
              people about that report and that is what I have been told
    24        also.
 
    25   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  He has seen the title of the report or the
              description of the report as given in Mr. Lipsett's 
    26        statement. 
  
    27   MR. MORRIS:  You must have seen something about that report to
              know that it related to a house fire?
    28        A.  The way I do my research is I talk to the experts, our
              converters, again and they have PhDs on staff, and say:
    29         "Have you ever heard of this report?"  "Yes, that report
              is a report that the Bureau", who was it again,  the
    30        Bureau of National Standards or somebody?
 

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