Day 193 - 28 Nov 95 - Page 42


     
     1   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  The majority of those who signed were 14 to
     2        16ish.
     3
     4   MR. MORRIS:  Were they older than you or younger than you, most
     5        of the people that signed up for the union?
     6        A.  They were around my age.
     7
     8   Q.   Around your age.
     9        A.  Around my age.  Like, I do not know their ages, so
    10        I cannot say for sure.
    11
    12   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  She said a moment ago, "The majority were my
    13        age or over by a month or two".
    14
    15   MR. MORRIS:  Right.  OK, thank you.
    16
    17   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Thank you.  Would you like to go and sit
    18        down, please.  (The witness withdrew).
    19
    20        Is that the evidence in relation to Orangeville, Ontario?
    21
    22   MR. RAMPTON:  Yes, unless your Lordship -----
    23
    24   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  The only reason I ask is that in tab 7 of
    25        divider 94 at page 1593 there is a bit of detail about
    26        McDonald's Restaurants of Canada Limited.
    27
    28   MR. RAMPTON:  Yes.
    29
    30   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That is not in evidence, but I wonder whether
    31        there is any dispute about it.  In fact, it says that
    32        McDonald's Restaurants of Canada Limited is a wholly owned
    33        subsidiary of a wholly owned subsidiary of the First
    34        Plaintiff.
    35
    36   MR. RAMPTON:  Your Lordship is right.  It is not in evidence as
    37        such.  It was offered by McDonald's of Canada.  Therefore,
    38        strictly speaking, it is not a statement by either of the
    39        Plaintiffs in this case.  I cannot tell your Lordship, as a
    40        matter of fact, whether it is right or wrong.  I assume it
    41        is right.  But if your Lordship thought it important, we
    42        will get it verified, which is not a difficult thing to
    43        do.  These are statements of fact rather than argument.
    44
    45   MR. MORRIS:  The union did count McDonald's statements about
    46        their relationship.
    47
    48   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I know that, and I am not going to enter into
    49        the argument which has evolved in the pleadings, but it
    50        might be material for me to know simply whether -- it need 
    51        not be more than this, that McDonald's Restaurants of 
    52        Canada Limited is a wholly owned subsidiary of either the 
    53        First Plaintiff or, in turn, a wholly owned subsidiary of
    54        the First Plaintiff, which probably amounts to the same
    55        thing at the end of the day.
    56
    57   MR. RAMPTON:  Well, it might.
    58
    59   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Where we go from there, as I have said 100
    60        times in this trial, may be another matter.

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