Day 062 - 06 Dec 94 - Page 29


     
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     2   Q.   Is there no way of filling the seam so as to prevent that
     3        from -----
     4        A.  Those are things that are being looked at, so how can
     5        you overcome that problem?
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     7   MR. RAMPTON:  Thank you very much, Mr. Van Erp.  Would you
     8        remain there, please?
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    10   MR. MORRIS:  Is it possible to have a quarter of an hour?
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    12   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, it will probably be worthwhile.
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    14                            (Short Adjournment)
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    16                     Cross-examined by the Defendants
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    18   MR. MORRIS:  I want to start off with the Manchester polystyrene
    19        recycling plant.  Had Perseco looked into polystyrene
    20        recycling, or when did Perseco first start looking into
    21        polystyrene recycling anywhere, whether it was UK or
    22        Germany or whatever?
    23        A.  It started actually when Perseco got involved with
    24        packaging and purchasing with the UK either in 1990 when we
    25        came over.
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    27   Q.   There is recycling of polystyrene industrial waste; is that
    28        correct?  The producers of polystyrene ---
    29        A.  Yes.
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    31   Q.   -- when they get waste, they recycle it, is that correct,
    32        or they can recycle it?
    33        A.  Several can, yes.  For instance, several of our
    34        suppliers, you can literally see cut-offs, for instance,
    35        from if you make a lid which is a round shape, you
    36        obviously cut it out of a sheet and you get cut-offs.  They
    37        are generally reground and literally fed across to the
    38        other side and mixed in with, let us say, virgin
    39        polystyrene.
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    41   Q.   Did you go and visit those kind of plants when you were
    42        considering this option that is happening in Manchester?
    43        A.  No, no.  That has very little to do with each other.
    44        That is a completely different type of recycling.  On the
    45        one hand, we are talking about a material where there has
    46        been no contamination, no colouring, so it is a clear
    47        material which can be used in the same process right away
    48        again versus contaminated polystyrene, different colours,
    49        different shapes, different forms, that need some form of
    50        processing before they can actually be reused. 
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    52   Q.   The polystyrene for, say, transport material such as you 
    53        said in, you know, hi-fi boxes and whatever, that material
    54        does not have to be bright white, or it is not going to
    55        come in contact with food, that does not matter, the
    56        colouring does not matter, you cannot take the colours out
    57        of polystyrene recyclate, is what you said, but it would
    58        not matter in terms of transport materials?
    59        A.  I could not really give you any information on that
    60        because I am not involved in that type of packaging.  We do

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