Day 023 - 13 Sep 94 - Page 26


     
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     2   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It has hardly come through, you see.  If I
     3        hold it up like that.  (Indicating)
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     5   MR. MORRIS:  Yes, it goes up to about 35 per cent lighter
     6        green.
     7
     8   THE WITNESS:  Yes.  Mine is the same problem; it is black and
     9        white.
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    11   MR. MORRIS:  Right.  Does that imply to you that this group,
    12        whatever they call themselves, the Health and Education
    13        Authority of this country, are stating that in their
    14        opinion or in this pamphlet to the public three per cent
    15        of all cancer deaths can be preventable by dietary
    16        changes?
    17
    18   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  They based the graph on information in the
    19        Causes of Cancer by Richard Doll and Peto, Oxford
    20        University Press.  That is where they have taken that.
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    22   MR. MORRIS:  Yes.  They are backing that position in terms of
    23        advice to the public?
    24        A.  Yes, indeed.  You know, if you read the bit on the
    25        left they make the point that we do not know how to
    26        prevent some cancers largely because we do not know what
    27        causes them; some are suspected such as diet but not
    28        proved which is the point, the stand, that I have been
    29        taking.
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    31   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Could you just tell me, what is the three
    32        per cent which Doll and Peto think it is proved are?
    33        A.  I am not quite sure.
    34
    35   MR. MORRIS:  Do you think that might be caused by -----
    36        A.  They are saying it is caused by food rather than
    37        alcohol.
    38
    39   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, I am not in the alcohol.  I am in the
    40        food column.
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    42   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, one might get a clue from page 18,
    43        second subheading, second paragraph -- just a clue.
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    45   MR. MORRIS:  Sorry, what was that?
    46
    47   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Page 18.
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    49   MR. RAMPTON:  Under "What You Eat".
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    51   THE WITNESS:  We do know that certain strange things that one 
    52        might eat, and if this is meant to be a worldwide 
    53        analysis, for example, in certain parts of China they are
    54        very partial to eating bread which has gone mouldy with a
    55        particular fungus.  They have a very high incidence in
    56        that area of oesophageal cancer.
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    58   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  They refer, among other matters, to cancer
    59        of the gullet being more common among Japanese people who
    60        eat young bracken shoots.

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