Day 081 - 31 Jan 95 - Page 56


     
     1        A.  I would not say that it is impossible that there would
     2        be multiplication below five.  This is hypothetical, if you
     3        do not mind me saying so.
     4
     5   MS. STEEL:  Can I clarify, the temperature you said, was it
     6        salmonella would be killed at 55?
     7        A.  Well, I said I do not know the thermal death point for
     8        that.  I said maybe 50 or 55 would kill them.
     9
    10   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  He said he would guess about 55.  He clearly
    11        did not know the actual temperature.  Is that fair,
    12        Professor?
    13        A.  That is fair, yes.
    14
    15   MS. STEEL:  How long roughly would that be that you would need
    16        to cook at that temperature?
    17        A.  Well, I am talking about the temperature you would have
    18        to heat the organisms themselves to.  I am not talking
    19        about cooking temperatures.
    20
    21   MS. STEEL:   I do not think we have any further questions.
    22
    23   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, I have no re-examination.
    24
    25   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Thank you Professor Jackson.
    26
    27                        (The witness withdrew).
    28
    29   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Do you know what course you are going to take
    30        with regard to Mr. Clark?
    31
    32   MR. RAMPTON:  Yes, my Lord.  I confirm I have no intention of
    33        calling Mr. Clark myself for reasons which I adumbrated
    34        yesterday, if I needed to which I probably did not, but I
    35        thought it might help.  Second, I have spoken to
    36        Mr. Clark.  I have told him (I think I am right to reveal
    37        this lest the Defendants be suspicious, I would not
    38        normally of course) that it is entirely a matter for him
    39        what he does if he should be requested to give evidence by
    40        the Defendants.  He has informed me and wishes me to tell
    41        your Lordship that he has no wish to give evidence for the
    42        Defendants voluntarily; nor has he any wish to speak to
    43        them beforehand.  I will leave it there.
    44
    45   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  The first thing, probably, which you have to
    46        decide is whether you wish to call Mr. Clark.  If you
    47        decide that you do wish to call him, we will have to
    48        consider the extent to which you can compel him to go into
    49        the witness box to answer questions. There are various
    50        factors which you might want to consider, although the 
    51        decision whether you want to call him is ultimately a 
    52        matter for you and nothing which I am about to say should 
    53        be taken by you to be advice one way or the other, because
    54        it is not for me to give advice to one party or another in
    55        a case I am trying.
    56
    57        Obviously, there is a benefit in being able to know just
    58        what any witness you may be thinking of calling is actually
    59        going to say, and the way to find that out is to talk to
    60        them.  When I rise you could approach Mr. Clark but, so far

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