Day 192 - 27 Nov 95 - Page 22


     
     1        A.  Yes; and I remember her just feeling that she was
     2        mistreated by McDonald's, her being very upset because --
     3        when I knew Sabina, she was a very emotional person; she
     4        used to care about, like, everyone's problems, and
     5        I remember her being run down from McDonald's and just
     6        feeling helpless that she was being treated this way.
     7
     8   Q.   In August 1993, you attempted to organise McDonald's into a
     9        union, you have said -- going back to your first statement,
    10        first page.  At this time, you were 16 years old; is that
    11        correct?
    12        A.  Yes.
    13
    14   Q.   Were you still one of the youngest people?
    15        A.  Not one of the youngest, but I was in the younger
    16        crowd.
    17
    18   Q.   In August -- we will come later to the actual signing of
    19        the cards.  But, before the signing of the cards, did
    20        anybody in management know that this was happening?
    21        A.  No, nobody -- before we started signing people up, you
    22        mean?
    23
    24   Q.   Yes.
    25        A.  No.
    26
    27   Q.   Nobody at all?
    28        A.  Well, Pete Mortson knew that I had an idea of doing
    29        this, and he was Swing Manager; and then, during the
    30        signing of the cards, a first assistant manager knew about
    31        it -- Travis Greenley.
    32
    33   Q.   Travis -----
    34        A.  Greenley -- Sabina's husband now, I think -- because
    35        when I was signing people up, I went to him, because I did
    36        not know -----
    37
    38   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I am sorry.  Can you just slow down again,
    39        speak up loud and clear.  There is nothing wrong with your
    40        accent, it is a Canadian accent, but if you speak fast and
    41        drop your voice occasionally, I have to cope with an accent
    42        which is no longer familiar to me.  Do you understand?
    43        A.  Yes.
    44
    45   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   The way to avoid any difficulty is just to
    46        take your time in answering the questions and make sure you
    47        speak up loud and clear.
    48
    49   MR. MORRIS:  So, a Swing Manager knew about it before -- he knew
    50        something about it, before the signing of the cards? 
    51        A.  That is right, that is correct. 
    52 
    53   Q.   After the signing of the cards started -- which you said
    54        you started signing people up on 25th August 1993?
    55        A.  That is correct.
    56
    57   Q.   At that time, a first assistant called Travis Greenley --
    58        how did you know that he found out about it?
    59        A.  Well, I told him about it.  I believe it was within the
    60        first couple of weeks of September, when I was still

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