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     1        pulp and paper mills until we get to Irvin which on page
     2        740 we can see with clarity?
     3
     4   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What do you mean "there are not any until you
     5        get to..."
     6
     7   MR. MORRIS:  Sorry, north of that.
     8        A.  There are none north of there.
     9
    10   Q.   Would you say it is a fact that there are no pulp and paper
    11        mills north of Caledonian Paper Plc and Irvin.
    12        A.  That is correct, both by what shows on the map and in
    13        practical terms.
    14
    15   Q.   So any material from the flow country that would be
    16        suitable or destined for pulp, would be transported
    17        southwards, would it not?  It would have to be?
    18        A.  If it were going for pulp the answer might be yes.
    19
    20   Q.   Well, it would have to be yes, would it not?
    21        A.  Well, there would not be another pulp mill there, no,
    22        and it is unlikely to be exported to Finland.
    23
    24   Q.   So the two main mills in the North of England and South of
    25        Scotland are Caledonian Paper Plc and Iggesund Paperboard
    26        according to page 740, yes?
    27        A.  That is correct, until you get down a little further to
    28        Shockle.
    29
    30   Q.   So, is it not in fact likely that some of the paper
    31        destined for pulp from the flow country is likely to reach
    32        both Iggesund and Caledonian Paper Plc?
    33        A.  As a matter of fact I could not tell you what
    34        proportion of the forest of the] Caithness and wetlands
    35        area has reached the stage that it would be extracted in
    36        any form for any market.  Most of the planting, as you
    37        appreciate, has happened in a fairly recent period of time
    38        and very little of it has reached the stage of even first
    39        thinning.  May I correct myself on that, my Lord, because
    40        the planting actually did go on much earlier than I have
    41        stated.  In fact planting in the area has been going on
    42        without complaint since 1920 and rather more extensively in
    43        the 1950s and then later in the 1980s the programme has
    44        ceased.  So that it would be fair to say ----
    45
    46   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It was five years after the commencement of
    47        the 1980s planting programme that the protest began to be
    48        heard?
    49        A.  That is correct, my Lord.
    50 
    51   MR. MORRIS:  So the stuff that is extracted that would be usable 
    52        for pulp is likely to go to those two northern most mills; 
    53        would that be a reasonable statement?
    54        A.  There is a high probability that it would go there
    55        depending, of course, on the species and I would say, yes,
    56        quite a proportion would go for pulp.
    57
    58   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Do you know whether any of the timber from
    59        the flow country goes to those mills for pulp?
    60        A.  It would be necessary to find out precisely, my Lord.

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