Day 208 - 24 Jan 96 - Page 24
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2 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Do not let us argue about it.
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4 MS. STEEL: -- it is because they do not want to do it.
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6 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Let us just carry on now. From time to time
7 I try to help by giving my reactions, in case it might help
8 you as to where you go next. If it just leads to arguing
9 the toss about it, I regret saying anything. But the point
10 was, I did not want you to think that I had interpreted his
11 smile as something sinister because that is not the way it
12 came across to me.
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14 MS. STEEL: I interpreted the smile (and I shall make this point
15 later) as embarrassment because he was boxed into a corner
16 that he could not get out of.
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18 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You will not persuade me on that, whatever
19 you say. I can see a way a person smiles. I have to form
20 my own judgment on it.
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22 MS. STEEL: He did it three different times with three
23 different questions and failed to answer the questions
24 properly, so it is blindingly obvious to me.
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26 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Carry on with your cross-examination.
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28 MR. MORRIS: You are hourly paid, are you?
29 A. Yes, I am.
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31 Q. What average hours do you work in a week about?
32 A. At the moment about 40 to 45.
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34 Q. 40 to 45. Do you ever work seven days a week?
35 A. I have done on a very rare occasion.
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37 Q. Would that be when you are on a close each day?
38 A. I do not ever remember doing seven closes in a row, no,
39 but I remember doing five in a row a lot of the time, but
40 that is as far as it went.
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42 Q. So, if you worked seven days in a row, it would be seven
43 shifts, seven full shifts but that -----
44 A. Not necessarily seven full shifts. I mean, sometimes
45 you would work, if you had a day off and you phone up and
46 you say, you know, "I would quite like to work; have you
47 got any hours?" You go and do, sort of, 12.00 until 4.00,
48 which I would not consider to be a full shift by any
49 stretch of the imagination.
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51 Q. So cast your mind back when you said you have done seven
52 days in a row -- were you here yesterday when we went
53 through the clock card files with people who had worked
54 seven, eight or nine days in a row?
55 A. Yes.
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57 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, that is not accurate; what Mr. Morris did
58 was to go through the schedules.
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60 MR. MORRIS: No, I went through the clock card files mainly, and
