Day 009 - 08 Jul 94 - Page 53


     
     1        represent both by width and depth.
 
     2   Q.   Something like that?
              A.  That would be my estimate.
     3
         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Presumably, you have to have somewhere to
     4        stack the dirty dishes before they go in?
              A.  That is a good point.
     5
         Q.   And stack them afterwards.  Is it just the size of the
     6        dishwasher?
              A.  No, there is more to it than that but, strictly
     7        speaking, the piece of equipment might be this size.  You
              need more space than that to handle incoming the dishes
     8        and to handle the outgoing clean dishes.
 
     9   MR. MORRIS:  Yes.
 
    10   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Can I just ask the question I asked before.
              Is it space is money or is there another factor that
    11        I have not thought of with regard to space?
              A.  Well, certainly space is money, but also space is
    12        space.  If you only have, you know, pieces of property
              that might be available might be, for instance, a gas
    13        station that is closed down, it is only X size.  You can
              only put a certain size restaurant on that, so the smaller
    14        restaurants have provided us more opportunities to find
              places to put our business.
    15
         MR. MORRIS:  If you had no packaging, then you would not have
    16        so many bins in the store and disposable at the back, and
              I know this is only talking about post-consumer?
    17        A.  I would say when we examined this issue with the
              Environmental Defence Fund, our joint conclusion was that
    18        reusables would require more space in a restaurant than
              disposables.
    19
              When you compare the storage space we need to store the
    20        disposables and then, you know, we certainly take that
              disposable packaging, we use it and it is consumed.  That
    21        would compare favourably less space than the space needed
              for reusables.
    22
         Q.   You would not have to do environment/index.html">litter patrols, would you?
    23        A.  No.  You would still have the environment/index.html">litter issue because one
              is 50 per cent of our business is drive-through.
    24        Secondly, not everything, everything could not be on
              dishes or plates or cups.  You would still have some
    25        packaging.  You cannot eliminate packaging totally from
              the equation.  We have to by law and regulation. 
    26 
         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  As I understand it, where does environment/index.html">litter come 
    27        apart from take-away?  I mean, I suppose someone may buy
              something to eat inside and then walk out with it half
    28        eaten in its packet?
              A.  Correct.
    29
         Q.   But, basically, is environment/index.html">litter any kind of problem apart from
    30        associated with take-away meals?
              A.  That is how I would define it.  Different countries

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