Day 155 - 14 Jul 95 - Page 51


     
     1        generally?
     2        A.  Yes, because you meet up quite regularly, yes, once a
     3        month, conferences, annual conferences etc.
     4
     5   Q.   Do you talk about all kinds of things when you talk to each
     6        other or do you just stick to purely business?
     7        A.  No, anything.
     8
     9   Q.   Anything?  People have good personal relations, not just
    10        polite conversations with each other or what?
    11        A.  I do not understand what you mean?
    12
    13   Q.   You are talking about the atmosphere in the Company?
    14        A.  Yes.
    15
    16   Q.   Relations with people below you, on the same level, and
    17        above you.  People would not be ----
    18
    19   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What are you getting at here?
    20
    21   MR. MORRIS:  Well, ----
    22
    23   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Or what are you seeking to get at?
    24
    25   MR. MORRIS:  Considering that you have been at McDonald's for
    26        13, 14 years and you have must have had thousands of
    27        conversations with employees at all levels about business
    28        and also personal matters, yes?
    29        A.  Personal matters, not really, no.  Business, yes.
    30
    31   Q.   When you socialise with your crew members you do not talk
    32        about anything outside strictly business then?
    33        A.  It is not personal to me. If we talk about football
    34        that is not personal to me; it is just general chit-chat.
    35
    36   Q.   You discuss matters of general interest then?
    37        A.  Yes, OK.
    38
    39   Q.   But by some staggering coincidence nobody has ever
    40        mentioned the words trade unions in 14 years at any level
    41        of the Company at any time in your presence?
    42        A.  That is correct.
    43
    44   Q.   Even though the whole country might have been in uproar
    45        like during the miners' strike for example.
    46
    47   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, that is quite unfair.  My question was
    48        not do with that that.  It was a question of trade unions
    49        and McDonald's.  It was nothing whatever to do with whether
    50        the miners are having a battle with the police or anything 
    51        like that.  Anybody would discuss that at the time.  That 
    52        is ridiculous. 
    53
    54   MR. MORRIS:  I think it is ridiculous and that is exactly why
    55        I made that point and then Mr. Rampton made his -- well he
    56        is not the witness, so ----
    57
    58   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  There is a distinction in that it might be
    59        quite impossible to say whether one has talked to anyone
    60        about something like the miners' strike because it might at

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