Day 290 - 30 Oct 96 - Page 24


     
     1        late '70s and early '80s.  He said that about five years
     2        ago....  Sorry.  (Pause)  He said that - I cannot remember
     3        whether I have given the reference, day 88, page 58,
     4        starting at line 12 - 15 years ago we would have had 10
     5        percent of our pigs outside.  Ten years ago he was not
     6        sure, but it had increased.
     7
     8   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   Just take this more slowly.  Fifteen years
     9        ago there were what?
    10
    11   MS. STEEL:   We would have had 10 percent of our pigs outside.
    12
    13   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   Yes.
    14
    15   MS. STEEL:   Ten years ago, he said it had increased but he was
    16        not sure what the figure was.  Five years ago, he said
    17        about 30 percent would have been outside.  So ten years ago
    18        presumably it was somewhere between 10 and 30 percent.
    19
    20        He said, further down on the same page, that pattern would
    21        have been reflected in the other farms that were supplying
    22        Bowes with the pigs, and he said it was a trend that had
    23        taken place all over the country.  (Pause)
    24
    25        I seem to have gone off the sows.  That was about the pigs
    26        in general.  I was just trying to bunch them together.
    27
    28   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   We will break off now until two o'clock
    29        anyway.  May I repeat, obviously if you can take it in some
    30        logical sequence, be it by order through the life of the
    31        pig or in different categories, it helps.  But I would
    32        rather you kept going than attempt to do that as you are
    33        going along, if it is going to hold you up, because I can
    34        sort it all out later.  It is helpful if I have it all in
    35        nice order in the first place, but if that can only be done
    36        at the cost of breaking up your flow, just carry on anyway.
    37
    38                         (Luncheon Adjournment)
    39
    40   MS. STEEL:   The point I was making earlier about the sows --
    41        the fact that they are not the ones going to slaughter all
    42        the time -- in fact Mr. Bowes said that of their own herd
    43        of sows, 6,300 of them, between twenty-five to 50 go to
    44        slaughter each week.  He said some weeks it might be none,
    45        other weeks it might be eighty.  That was day 88, page 51,
    46        line 6.  He said the breeding stock are eight to ten months
    47        old when Bowes purchased them.  That was day 88, page 51,
    48        line 10.  He said that some are bred for outdoor production
    49        and some for indoor, there were two different streams.
    50        That was day 88, page 152, line 56.  The indoor pigs for 
    51        breeding indoors would have been born indoors and reared 
    52        indoors for the eight to ten months before Bowes got them. 
    53        Day 88, page 50 two, line 56.
    54
    55        He said that the Bowes farm itself had never used dry sow
    56        stalls but suppliers had, although he said that currently
    57        less than ten percent of the suppliers used dry sow
    58        stalls.  He said five years ago he did not know how many
    59        were using dry sow stalls, but it would have been more than
    60        ten percent.  That was day 88, page 66.  Obviously, one of

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