Day 007 - 06 Jul 94 - Page 86
1 Q. National Bureau of Standards?
A. Yes, "that did experimentation on house fires looking
2 for X and Y". It caught me off guard because the
regulations we looked for for food packaging are from our
3 FDA, and that is the usually the sole regulating group.
4 Q. Right. I do not think we need to trouble because
obviously Mr. Kouchoukos does not know the details of that
5 report, so .....
6 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No.
7 MR. MORRIS: You also made a point about the 1.3 billion cubic
feet. I do not know if we need to go into that. I do not
8 know if the figures have been disclosed on the total
volume of foam in food packaging? Have they been
9 disclosed in the case? I do not know. I cannot recall
them having been disclosed.
10 A. My calculation and the initial accusation that I saw
of years ago was 1.6 billion cubic feet. I did a
11 calculation based on the weight or the density of our
average foam being somewhere in the neighbourhood of three
12 pounds per cubic foot, which is liberal. It is more like
four or five pounds, but if I go lower density, it makes
13 more volume, and my calculation came out with about 25
million cubic feet.
14
Q. That would be for solid packaging, yes?
15 A. That would be for?
16 Q. If it was in solid form?
A. That would be in the sheets that were used to make the
17 package.
18 MR. JUSTICE BELL: That is the sheets before it is pressed into
shape, presumably?
19
MR. MORRIS: Yes. We do not know until Mr. Lipsett comes
20 whether he means, for example, if it is just in some kind
of waste form before being crushed up?
21 A. You would have to assume that if the package was in
its set up form that any amount of weight would collapse
22 the form and you would get back to the sheet, essentially.
23 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You have the same volume and weight of
actual polystyrene, however it is?
24 A. That is correct or the same weight certainly.
25 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, the total weight of plastic based
packaging from which, of course, given a norm, one can
26 calculate the volume, is given at page 358 of that yellow
bundle III -- sorry, pink bundle IV. That is for the year
27 1992.
28 MR. MORRIS: I think you said though that polystyrene waste in
landfills helps to aerate landfills?
29 A. No, I never made any statement about polystyrene----
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30 Q. It may have been someone else.
