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1 in Germany was nothing, or next to nothing, of the source
2 of cattle, farms where the cattle were raised in Germany
3 for their beef supplies up to about 1990. Basically, I
4 think he said, Gonzales concluded that there was only about
5 80 percent traceability, now, at that time that he gave his
6 evidence. Mr. Cesca on page 51, day 224, accepted that.
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8 Then on day 225 there is the main evidence on soya
9 from-----
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11 MR. JUSTICE BELL: What did you say the percentage of
12 traceability was?
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14 MR. MORRIS: 80 percent. That was Dr. Gonzales' figure. I
15 will just check that again.
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17 MR JUSTICE BELL: No, there is no need to. I thought I may have
18 misheard.
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20 MR. MORRIS: Yes. Then, on day 225, pages 6 to 21, is
21 Mr. Cesca's cross-examination about the soya issue, the
22 main block of it. On page 7, lines 27 to 34, he recognises
23 the use of soya in Europe is seasonal. Sorry, he does not
24 recognise that. He says that his position is "... there is
25 a dry and wet season in just about every country, so if
26 that is what you mean, yes." What he is saying there is
27 that he recognises that in terms of feed supplies virtually
28 every country has a dry and wet season, which is just about
29 every country, he says, would probably require feed of some
30 kind, and in Europe that entails soya, if that is what we
31 are talking about.
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33 Then he was questioned about the soya feed for steers as
34 opposed to cows. When I say 'steers', I mean steers and
35 bulls, anything different from cows.
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37 On page 9, he deals with the matter that the figures by
38 Schumm are all related to cows and he would not give a
39 figure on what the steers would consume, or bulls would
40 consume, but he does say he does agree with the letter from
41 McDonald's to Frank Swurts that is referred to in our
42 statement of Frank Swurts, which is a Civil Evidence Act
43 notice for us, and that the letter from McDonald's said,
44 "The percentage used by dairy is irrelevant compared to
45 the amount used in fattening bulls." I said to him, "So it
46 is some substantial amount greater?" Answer, "Yes, I mean,
47 that makes sense to me, what you just read." No doubt
48 because it came from McDonald's.
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50 The point I am making is that the fattening of steers and
51 bulls anywhere in Europe where anything other than cows are
52 used for McDonald's products, then the overall picture is
53 that there will be vastly greater amounts of soya, and, at
54 certain times of the year, that is likely to come from
55 Brazil, Brazil being one of the major exporters and
56 responsible for something like 30 percent of all soya
57 imports into Europe, whatever the figures were that we
58 referred to before. It is also helpful for -- sorry. I am
59 definitely going to finish by one.
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