Day 079 - 27 Jan 95 - Page 42


     
     1        tipped into the blenders and it is starts blending, that is
     2        under observation, it can be rejected there if it is seen
     3        as it is turning.  If it went through the grinding plate,
     4        there is a centrifuge plate on the back of the grinding
     5        plate, if there was any foreign body it would reject it
     6        there.  If it was metal, as soon as it went down the
     7        forming line, it would be rejected.  There are umpteen ways
     8        of eliminating it.
     9
    10   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think we are getting a bit away from the
    11        mainstream.
    12
    13   MR. MORRIS:  Not strictly, with respect, because in our
    14        pleadings we have a number of foreign body -----
    15
    16   MR. RAMPTON:  Allegations.
    17
    18   MR. MORRIS:  Allegations.
    19
    20   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That is quite right, but all I am saying is
    21        he has given his explanation of why he thinks it is pretty
    22        safe.  You are going to make some allegations about foreign
    23        bodies which have been found there, and then you are going
    24        to ask me to draw conclusions about that.  What I am
    25        wondering is whether, having understood what the system is,
    26        it is productive to go on asking questions:  "Well, might
    27        this happen?  Might that happen?"  Do you see?  That is my
    28        point.
    29
    30   MR. MORRIS:  Are there any ways on top of what you have said
    31        where a foreign body may be detected?  Metal detectors,
    32        observation ---
    33
    34   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Centrifuge.
    35
    36   MR. MORRIS:  -- centrifuge; are they the methods?
    37        A.  Yes.
    38
    39   Q.   You talked about meat arriving at over four degrees
    40        Centigrade or Celsius, and that may be caused by the truck
    41        refrigeration, is that a possibility?
    42        A.  It is a possibility.
    43
    44   Q.   Are they your trucks or the suppliers' trucks?
    45        A.  No, the suppliers' trucks.
    46
    47   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  They have all got the needle and it is
    48        probably more sophisticated than that -----
    49        A.  Cambridge recorder, yes, sir.  It is a pen needle that
    50        moves around on a chart. 
    51 
    52   Q.   So you can see how the temperature has gone? 
    53        A.  Yes.
    54
    55   MR. MORRIS:  Do you know much about the refrigeration systems in
    56        the trucks?
    57        A.  No.
    58
    59   Q.   Has that ever been something that McKey's have taken
    60        much  -----

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