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     1        particularly saturated fat, in the diet.
     2        A.  Saturated fat is one contributor.  The statement, as
     3        I made it, is quite accurate that meat eating men, 25 per
     4        cent of them do, in fact, become impotent by age 60.  Meat
     5        is a very substantial contributor to that, although there
     6        are other contributors as well that lead 25 per cent of
     7        meat eating men, regrettably, to become impotent by age
     8        60.
     9
    10   Q.   You had not then intended to suggest a direct
    11        cause-and-effect, had you, for 25 per cent of men before
    12        the age of 60?
    13        A.  There is a cause-and-effect relationship.  However,
    14        I was not allowed to expand on other contributors, of
    15        which there are some certainly.
    16
    17   Q.   The second clip that we saw, Dr. Barnard, again I do not
    18        know if you had a chance to write it down, but it was
    19        really in two parts; the first was to the effect that 35
    20        to 50 per cent of cancers are due -- those are your words
    21         -- to diet?
    22        A.  That is correct.
    23
    24   Q.   You went on to disclaim any significant role for genetics
    25        or heredity in the picture overall?
    26        A.  The role of genetics or heredity, I would say, are
    27        significant but minor compared to the role of diet and
    28        also tobacco, as I believe I may have mentioned on the
    29        tape.
    30
    31   Q.   You then said that was a minor role and what really
    32        mattered was what was on your dinner plate?
    33        A.  Yes.
    34
    35   Q.   Which is another way of saying it is diet that matters?
    36        A.  Diet is responsible for far more cancer deaths than
    37        genetics.
    38
    39   Q.   I think I heard you say -- by this time it was getting a
    40        little noisy I agree -- I think I heard you say that was
    41        the Surgeon General's or the National Cancer Institute's
    42        best guess?
    43        A.  I believe I said words to that effect, yes.  These
    44        figures have appeared a number of times.
    45
    46   Q.   Yes, they have.  Do you have -- I do not know where you
    47        will find it -- the references that you most recently
    48        brought into this case?  You probably brought them with
    49        you.
    50 
    51   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  We have a pale green -- is it the pale green 
    52        one? 
    53
    54   MR. RAMPTON:  That is the original one.  I do not know where
    55        anybody has put .....
    56
    57   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I have put the more recent ones, which
    58        included some provided by Dr. Barnard, behind tab 11, the
    59        second statement of Dr. Barnard which is now in volume 1A.
    60

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