Day 062 - 06 Dec 94 - Page 27


     
     1        Mr. Van Erp by Enso-Gutzeit in Finland; is that right?
     2        A.  Yes, it is.
     3
     4   Q.   That is right.  What do Enso-Gutzeit supply for McDonald's
     5        use?
     6        A.  They supply a plastic coated board, PE coated board,
     7        which is called "cup stock".
     8
     9   Q.   Cup stock?
    10        A.  Cup stock, mainly used to make cups from.
    11
    12   Q.   They have told you, I think, that it takes 33 hectares,
    13        that is right, is it, for 1,000 metric tonnes of
    14        paperboard?
    15        A.  Yes.
    16
    17   Q.   Have I understood that correctly?  From that you have
    18        extrapolated the calculation that McDonald's total metric
    19        tonnage requirement of virgin fibre -- we have excluded
    20        from this calculation the recycled content, have we not, is
    21        that right ---
    22        A.  Yes.
    23
    24   Q.   -- the figure you have given is taken from your CVE 3, you
    25        give a metric tonnage of 10.148, do you not?
    26        A.  Yes.
    27
    28   Q.   Which is the same as 10,147,924 kilograms?
    29        A.  Yes.
    30
    31   Q.   That is the virgin fibre content of McDonald's.  You have
    32        multiplied that by 33 hectares and, since 100 hectares or,
    33        rather, 1 hectare is 0.003861 of a square mile, yes ---
    34        A.  Yes.
    35
    36   Q.   -- you have calculated that on this basis 1.293 square
    37        miles of tree land, if I can call it that, would be
    38        required for McDonald's packaging in Europe in 1992; is
    39        that right?
    40        A.  That is correct.
    41
    42   Q.   You have taken the figures supplied by Enso-Gutzeit who
    43        make cup stock.  Are Enso-Gutzeit big suppliers to
    44        McDonald's through you?
    45        A.  In 1992 they actually supplied of the cup the far
    46        greater majority of products.  I would guesstimate in the
    47        order of magnitude of 95 per cent of all the cup stock came
    48        from, for both of the suppliers that we had at that time in
    49        the UK, came from Enso.
    50 
    51   Q.   Looking at the timber sources of Europe as a whole, does it 
    52        seem to you from what you know that the basis which 
    53        Enso-Gutzeit have given you, that is to say, 33 hectares of
    54        forest for 1,000 metric tonnes of paperboard, is a
    55        reasonable basis on which to make a calculation of the
    56        overall usage of virgin fibre in Europe?
    57        A.  I could not say.  I have to rely on the figures from
    58        Enso for this.
    59
    60   Q.   I can tell you that Mr. Mallinson did the calculation -- he

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