Day 192 - 27 Nov 95 - Page 49


     
     1        his lawyers try to say that if you are under 18 you cannot
     2        sign a union card.  So, in actual fact, he was telling the
     3        employees, "OK, do what you want", but there was still a
     4        feeling of hostility towards the union, and then on the 1st
     5        November he tried to take that right away to join a union.
     6
     7   Q.   In your statement somewhere you said about Nicole Owen
     8        being promoted to crew trainer with a rise of 20 cents an
     9        hour, or something, and Sabina Iurillo has said it is
    10        untrue that occurred a week after the -- well, she does not
    11        exactly say the date.  She says that she, Nicole Owen may
    12        have been the person, that she said she probably is the
    13        person that told Cam your name first; then she says it is
    14        also untrue that a week later she was promoted to crew
    15        trainer, she along with three other people was promoted on
    16        the 16th September?
    17        A.  On the, sorry?
    18
    19   Q.   16th September 1993, about three weeks before she and Chris
    20        Broom and Bonnie McLelland informed Cam about the
    21        unionisation attempt.  Can you remember anything about that
    22        situation of Nicole Owen being promoted?
    23        A.  I remember it being that she was promoted a week after
    24        management had sort of found out about the union, and my
    25        friends and I thought that she was the one that had leaked
    26        the names, had leaked it to Cam that we were trying to
    27        organise the union.
    28
    29   Q.   How do you know she was promoted at that time?
    30        A.  How do I know?
    31
    32   Q.   Yes.
    33        A.  It is -- there is McNews in each crew -- in our crew
    34        room that tells you about, like new promotions that are
    35        going on in the store, what is new, if somebody is quitting
    36        or, you know, or someone gets promoted, so that is probably
    37        how I found out, or, you know, people talk around the store
    38        about who got what, right.
    39
    40   Q.   The crew meeting of 5th October Sabina Iurillo says it had
    41        been arranged some time before, and I think the implication
    42        is that it was not organised specially.  Do you remember
    43        whether the 5th October meeting was organised specially,
    44        whether it had been arranged before?
    45        A.  Before what?
    46
    47   Q.   I mean, had it been planned for two weeks?
    48        A.  I do not know how long it was planned for, but we were
    49        having a union meeting that night and it conflicted.
    50        I remember it was my mistake because I did not know that 
    51        they were having a meeting that night until I was -- 
    52        I think it was, like, late in the afternoon that I found 
    53        out that there was a meeting going on in McDonald's, so
    54         ..... I do not know, I cannot tell you how long it had
    55        been planned for because I do not know.
    56
    57   Q.   If a crew meeting was arranged at McDonald's, would you
    58        have known about it if it had been arranged two weeks in
    59        advance?
    60        A.  I think so.

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