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     1        A.  People will be able to detect when she has dropped and
     2        ready to go into labour about two days beforehand.
     3
     4   Q.   About two days, and then she stays in there to recover
     5        after having had the piglets; is that it?
     6        A.  Sorry, sir, say that again?
     7
     8   Q.   Sorry, she stays in there to recover, as it were, after
     9        having had the piglets?
    10        A.  Oh, yes.
    11
    12   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  She stays in there until they are weaned,
    13        does she?
    14        A.  That is correct.
    15
    16   MR. RAMPTON:  Yes.  Could you turn past your statement, please,
    17        Mr. Bowes, to the freedom food document from the RSPCA
    18        dated 20th September last year?
    19        A.  Yes, I have it, sir.
    20
    21   Q.   It is called:  "Freedom Food, the RSPCA Welfare Standards
    22        for Pigs".  In the light of the questions I have asked and
    23        you have answered, I do not need to go through it with you,
    24        though the Defendants may wish to do so, I know not.  Did
    25        your company have any input into the creation of this code?
    26        A.  The answer to that is, yes, sir.
    27
    28   Q.   This particular version which appears to be the second
    29        version of the first version, if you see what I mean, it is
    30        version 1.2, dated 20th September 1994, was your company in
    31        discussion with the RSPCA before this was produced?
    32        A.  Yes.  We were in discussion with John Prince of the
    33        RSPCA.  I would think discussions have been going on --
    34        time goes fast -- I would think for two years in
    35        preparation for it.
    36
    37   Q.   Did the RSPCA visit your premises?
    38        A.  Many times, sir.
    39
    40   Q.   Did the RSPCA express themselves pleased with or angry
    41        about the conditions that they found at your farm, at your
    42        factory and on your farms?
    43        A.  I would say they were.  They have definitely based the
    44        freedom food scheme upon our system because they have found
    45        that very, very acceptable to their needs.
    46
    47   MR. MORRIS:  I do not know if Mr. Rampton is aware of the
    48        hearsay rules.
    49
    50   MR. RAMPTON:  It is nothing to do with hearsay, my Lord. 
    51 
    52   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It may be but why do you say that? 
    53
    54   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, because what matters is whether
    55        Mr. Bowes' operation meets the approval -----
    56
    57   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I understand that and he can be asked how his
    58        system compares with that in the -----
    59
    60   MR. RAMPTON:  Yes, my Lord, if it be the fact that this document

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