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     1        A.  Sorry, no, it is really the other way around.  The 85
     2        say that everybody should eat less total fat.  Then there
     3        is a further eight which do not go as far as that.  They
     4        say the recommendation only applies if you are at high
     5        risk.
     6
     7   Q.   I see.  You probably explained it this morning and I was
     8        not following.  Then when we get to use fibre again as a
     9        "more" item, 61 say everybody should eat more fibre; one
    10        report is not quite as strong as that, but 62 one way or
    11        another come out in favour of eating more fibre?
    12        A.  Yes.  Then, as I mentioned, the bottom half of the
    13        page is referring not to dietary factors but to specific
    14        foods.  So that although fewer reports refer to foods as
    15        such, there is a consensus among those reports that the
    16        mentioned foods, for example, on lean meat to eat more,
    17        and on fatty meat and meat products to eat less
    18        correspondingly, as you might expect.
    19
    20   MR. MORRIS:  So the second column refers only to the section of
    21        the population that is judged to be at high risk?
    22        A.  Yes, in a clinical situation, but I think I should
    23        say, although I do not think this point has been
    24        forgotten, that the great bulk of these reports are not
    25        specifically to do with cancer; the great bulk of them are
    26        either to do with heart disease, and the figures are all
    27        here, or they are all there in the appendix, or they are
    28        to do with food and western diseases, generally.  The
    29        number of reports specifically and solely about cancer are
    30        not great.
    31
    32        You could divide the cancer issue -- well, reports dealing
    33        with cancer either deal with cancer as such and the
    34        relatively few that do or they deal with cancer, I think
    35        sensibly in the context of other major diseases, such as
    36        the WHO Reports.
    37
    38        Incidentally, something that has not been mentioned before
    39        is that the WHO Report, the 1990 report, does actually
    40        have a table in the back which itself lists reports
    41        specifically on cancer.  I think I should have mentioned
    42        that before.
    43
    44   MR. MORRIS:  Let us come to that in a minute.  Shall we move
    45        on?
    46
    47   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.  Is there anything more you want to
    48        refer to in the book because you have your other
    49        references you want to go through.
    50 
    51   MR. MORRIS:  No.  We might as well do these in the order they 
    52        are in on the list. 
    53
    54   MR. RAMPTON:  Mr. Morris keeps referring to a list -- please
    55        may I have one?  I do not have one.
    56
    57   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Is there a list?
    58
    59   MR. RAMPTON:  Yes, apparently there is a list.  There is also a
    60        blue and a red book which I notice Mr. Morris and the

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