Day 020 - 28 Jul 94 - Page 19


     
     1        (Handed)
              A.  Yes.
     2
         Q.   Now try and find the information you wanted.
     3
         MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, may I make a suggestion?
     4
         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.  Why not take a five minute break now?
     5        You have time to read, if you would not mind spending the
              five minutes reading that document.  Then I will come back
     6        in five minutes time.
 
     7                       (Short Adjournment)
 
     8   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.  Have you found what you wanted?
              A.  Yes.  What was the question, please?
     9
         Q.   The question was to the effect that at the levels to which
    10        Ms. Steel referred, the meat was still of sufficiently
              high quality for three well known supermarkets?
    11        A.  That is what this report said.
 
    12   Q.   Then you had a query.
              A.  Yes.  I understand it.  I was querying the validity of
    13        their current estimate in my own mind.  I am quite happy
              that their current estimate is accurate.
    14
         Q.   Sorry?
    15        A.  I am happy that their current estimate is in all
              likelihood accurate.  120 milliamps was the mean current
    16        they referred to.
 
    17   MS. STEEL:   In fact, you get a quote on the previous page on
              page 2 which mentions the study that you did about ----
    18
         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I do not want to look at that at the moment,
    19        but if you want to refer me to it in due course to make a
              point on it, make sure you get enough copies for
    20        everyone.  Do you understand?
 
    21   MS. STEEL:   Yes.  There is just one other point I want to draw
              your attention to on here.  On page 2 under 3b, in the
    22        second paragraph, it says: "The variation in overall
              impedence of the bird will inevitably mean that with five
    23        or six birds in the water bath at any one time the current
              flowing through individual birds will also vary greatly.
    24        When low average currents are used (70mA is a typical
              example) some birds will undoubtedly not receive
    25        sufficient current to be properly stunned - and certainly
              not for a sufficient time to prevent recovery before the 
    26        dearth of the bird through exsanguination".  Is that 
              something that accords with your view? 
    27        A.  There are a lot of caveats which must be attached to
              that which are not mentioned in there.  It depends, for
    28        example, on the method of exsanguination.  If you do a
              poor neck cut and you are only bleeding the animal through
    29        a vein, then I think their statement is quite valid.
 
    30   Q.   If you were not cutting both carotid arteries?
              A.  Then it is a risk which one has to take seriously.  In

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