Day 133 - 12 Jun 95 - Page 49


     
     1   MR. MORRIS:  If we just look at the back page of G2, I do not
     2        know where that would be in your -----
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     4   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  The last before H, Survey of Catering Wages.
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     6   THE WITNESS:  Yes, I have it.
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     8   MR. MORRIS:  There is no information there, is there, which
     9        suggests that the rates quoted for other organisations are
    10        not basic starting rates -----
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    12   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It says:  "The following starting rates of
    13        pay are quoted".  It says they are starting rates.
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    15   MR. MORRIS:  Sorry?
    16
    17   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Your point is made for you by the express
    18        wording.  Do you see?
    19
    20   MR. MORRIS:  Yes.  I thought the witness had said before that
    21        they were averages or something.
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    23   MR. RAMPTON:  No, that was the earlier one.
    24
    25   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That was on the other one, G1.
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    27   MR. MORRIS:  OK.  (To the witness):  Of course, McDonald's
    28        employ in any case a third of their staff being under 18,
    29        are they not?
    30        A.  Yes.
    31
    32   Q.   So the bottom rate would be 2.65 for a third of your store
    33        in any case?
    34        A.  In the areas where we paid an under 18 rate, because
    35        there are areas in Outer and Inner London where we did not
    36         -- well, we do not at this point.  So, it is not actually
    37        a third of the workforce.  I do not have the figures but it
    38        would not be a third.
    39
    40   Q.   I think we can leave that subject.  While we are on the
    41        subject, I suppose you compared McDonald's wages, hourly
    42        wages, bearing in mind that the average hourly figure,
    43        something like that, for McDonald's is about 20 hours?
    44        A.  Yes.
    45
    46   Q.   You compared the hourly rates with other catering and
    47        retail industries.  Did you compare or have you compared
    48        with other industries, apart from retail and catering?
    49        A.  Not that I know of.  I am not sure which ones you might
    50        be meaning, but not that I am aware of.  What sorts of 
    51        examples? 
    52 
    53   Q.   Construction workers, Civil Servants?
    54        A.  No.
    55
    56   Q.   Manufacturing?
    57        A.  No, not any of those categories.  I do not believe we
    58        would have seen that as being relevant or related
    59        employment, so no.
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