Day 078 - 26 Jan 95 - Page 42
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2 Q. Where does that lead us to in relation to this case?
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4 MS. STEEL: McDonald's did not say they had any objection to you
5 using that beef from Canada and the USA?
6 A. No, it was first class beef.
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8 Q. So was it going to McDonald's between 1980 and 1988?
9 A. Yes.
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11 MR. JUSTICE BELL: If I might make the point, if you had asked
12 that question straightaway we might have missed out the
13 questions in between. If you think you have a really cagey
14 witness there and you have got to get them into a corner,
15 well and good. But if your assessment is that the witness
16 will say "yes" if the answer is "yes" about questions of
17 trading like that, it is best to get straight to the point.
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19 MR. MORRIS: Just while Helen is looking, yesterday we referred
20 to a pie chart, if you remember, of sources of beef used by
21 McKey's for McDonald's, yes? Just to refresh your memory,
22 it included England, Scotland, Ireland, Northern Ireland,
23 Holland, France, Spain, Germany and Denmark. The countries
24 that supply McKey's with beef from Europe, for example,
25 would you generally get meat that was from McDonald's
26 suppliers in those countries?
27 A. No.
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29 Q. You would just take from anybody?
30 A. No, well, wait a moment. When you said to me, would we
31 take it from McDonald's suppliers, I took that, were we
32 buying meat from the McDonald's supplier who supplies the
33 McDonald's factory in Gunnesberg, Germany, Orleon in
34 France, Malmo in Sweden? That is the way I took it. Any
35 supplier has been approved by McKey as being inspected by
36 McKey and is on our approved suppliers list. So, it
37 follows that we may be bringing meat out of France, but
38 that same supplier may or may not be supplying the
39 McDonald's plant at Orleon in France. We work, each
40 country works independently with its own network.
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42 Q. But the suppliers that you get from, would they be, if you
43 like, OKd by the country in which they are based, the
44 McDonald's -----
45 A. Oh, yes, absolutely. McDonald's in the technical
46 offices in Frankfurt have a register of all suppliers and
47 we pass information to one another what the prices are in
48 each country.
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50 Q. So who, for example, would you buy from from, say, France?
51 A. We have got -----
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53 Q. Give us an example of some major suppliers.
54 A. Sans Chevion, Au Lide, Biguard -- various companies
55 like that.
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57 Q. What about Germany?
58 A. Sudfleisch in Gunnesberg. That would be the main one
59 in Germany, Sudfleisch.
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