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     1        which they are used by McDonald's.
 
     2   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What is the point you are making?
 
     3   MS. STEEL:  There is a point.  I am getting a bit concerned
              actually at the line Mr. Rampton is taking.  We are
     4        continually being pressurised to hurry up and finish
              cross-examination, but when he is bringing
     5        evidence-in-chief he reads endless amounts of huge, long
              pamphlets.  I really do not think it is fair that he is
     6        trying to put us under this amount of pressure.
 
     7   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You carry on unless I hurry you up, but is
              there a point on the 89 per cent which is relevant?
     8
         MS. STEEL:  It was in his statement.
     9
         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I know, but is there a point you want to
    10        make on it?
 
    11   MS. STEEL:  I am making a point here Mr. Wheelock is saying
              that if there was a demand for foods free of additives,
    12        then they could be made available.  I am just asking
              whether McDonald's is making them available.
    13
         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You have the answer.
    14
         MS. STEEL:  Yes.  I was going to move on then.  I was
    15        interrupted.  You then go on in on this page to say:  "It
              would be unreasonable for these demands to be reflected in
    16        the permitted lists, because there is a still a very large
              number of consumers who are not worried about additives
    17        and may even prefer them".  Do you not think that actually
              contradicts what you said earlier on, where you say that
    18        89 per cent of people said there were too many additives?
              A.  No, I do not think so because when it comes to the
    19        point, people's behaviour is demonstrated by what they
              actually buy, and I think the concern about additives is
    20        very often grossly inflated, certainly from a safety point
              of view.
    21
         Q.   Yes, but as you have agreed, what people may buy may be
    22        dependent on what is available?
              A.  I agree, yes.
    23
         Q.   Have you actually surveyed any consumers who say they
    24        prefer additives?
              A.  No, I have not.
    25
         Q.   Going on to page 40? 
    26        A.  Yes, I have got there. 
  
    27   Q.   The last sentence of that paragraph:  "Should any of these
              subsequently be found to be hazardous, then the high level
    28        of consumption might cause some adverse effect to
              health".  Are you suggesting there that we do not know
    29        whether these substances are hazardous or not?
              A.  What I am saying there is that we cannot be absolutely
    30        certain that every food additive we use is absolutely safe
              under every possible circumstance.  There is always a

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