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1 determined that McDonald's contributed 1.3 billion cubic
feet of foam food packaging waste to the nation's waste
2 stream annually". Do you know anything about that?
A. Well, I know that no information was requested to make
3 that calculation. So, I am not sure where Mr. Lipsett may
have gotten his information.
4
Q. Do you have a figure for the amount of polystyrene foam
5 food package contributed by McDonald's to the waste stream
annually?
6 A. I did do a calculation on that and it turned up some
50 or 60 fold less than what is stated here.
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MR. MORRIS: 50 or 60?
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MR. RAMPTON: Fold.
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Q. So we divide Mr. Lipsett's 1.3 billion by 50 or 60 to get
10 near the right figure?
A. Correct.
11
Q. Then next, "Although McDonald's claimed that they were
12 recycled foam this assertion ... When the plastic
industry began ranking plastics by their recyclability.
13 Polystyrene foam received the lowest classification- an
eight on a scale of one to eight". Are you conscious, Mr.
14 Kouchoukos, that the plastics industry began to rank
plastics by their recyclability in any state?
15 A. I am not aware of them ranking plastics by their
recyclability at all. The Society of Plastics Industry
16 /did put a marking on plastic packages. He says 1
through 8. It is actually 1 through 7. He says
17 polystyrene is an 8 and it was labelled as a 6. The sole
intention of the labelling process was to identify what
18 type of material the packaging container was made from.
It was not meant to imply recycleability, nor was it meant
19 to rank relative recycleability of materials.
20 MR. RAMPTON: Would that be a convenient moment? I may have
one more question of Mr. Kouchoukos at two o'clock.
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MR. JUSTICE BELL: Are you going to ask any more about Mr.
22 Lipsett.
23 MR. RAMPTON: No, I have finished with Mr. Lipsett.
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MR. JUSTICE BELL: Miss Steel, Mr. Morris, you have probably
25 already thought of it but might I suggest you copy that
part of the transcript which has Mr. Kouchoukos comments
26 on Mr. Lipsett's statement so that Mr. Lipsett can
certainly read that through. If you can fax it to him in
27 the States before he comes over, so he has more time to
think about it, so much the better. I do not know
28 whether among the documentation there any of the
publications or research papers which he presumably had in
29 mind. If they are not in the bundles it may be of
importance that Mr. Lipsett brings copies of them with
30 him. Where we have, for instance, EPA National Human
Adipose Tissue Survey for 1986, he has got a copy of that,
