Day 039 - 20 Oct 94 - Page 61
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2 Q. Yes, I am sorry. I guess both you and I are slightly hard
3 of hearing and I sometimes mumble. My Lord, this is page 9
4 of yesterday's transcript, line 36: If the witness would
5 like a copy of the transcript at any stage, by all means
6 let him say so.
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8 MS. STEEL: We have not got the transcripts.
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10 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I do not have mine with me. Read it out loud
11 and clear. If you feel at a disadvantage, then say and
12 someone will probably give you their copy. But it may be
13 so simple you do not need to look at it.
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15 MR. RAMPTON: Mr. Morris was asking you a question. This is
16 beginning of your evidence. He asks this question, if it
17 can be called a question:
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19 "Would it be correct to characterise you as the UK's
20 leading independent expert on food additives safety policy?
21 Answer: Yes, I think it would. I am not aware of any
22 individual in this country, other than people working in
23 government or industry or directly funded by industry who
24 has devoted more time and has more knowledge about this
25 field than I do. I have chosen to make that my area of
26 expertise, yes."
27 A. I am sure that is precisely what I said.
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29 Q. I can assure you it is; I may not speak distinctly,
30 Dr. Millstone, but I can read. By "people working in
31 government" whom did you mean to include?
32 A. Well, I was certainly by the question "people working
33 in government" referring to the Civil Servants, both in the
34 Scientific and Administrative Civil Service, in those
35 sections of both the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and
36 Foods and the Department of Health, servicing the relevant
37 committees. Those are the people I would characterise as
38 "people working in government".
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40 Q. We can understand what you meant by "people working in
41 industry". Correct me if I am wrong, by "people directly
42 funded by industry" I assume you mean people like contract
43 laboratories who do toxicological work which is funded
44 solely by industrial clients?
45 A. It certainly was intended to include people of that
46 kind, but I did mean it rather more broadly, to refer to
47 individuals who, like myself, may have posts in academic
48 institutions. I was trying to distinguish myself as
49 somebody who has never worked on a research grant provided
50 by industry or acted as a consultant for the food
51 industry.
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53 When I was referring to "people working for industry",
54 I meant to include people not just directly employed on the
55 payroll of industrial corporations, but also including
56 people, as I say, who are academics but who have chosen to
57 accept funding either through research or consultancies or
58 similar services from companies manufacturing food
59 ingredients or foods.
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