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3 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I think it is fair enough it be done in this
4 case because one way of making sure that one understands is
5 to put it in one's own words. I think that is how it is
6 being done. (To the witness): Listen very carefully, as I
7 am sure you will, to what Mr. Rampton says. If you have
8 any reservation at all about the understanding which he is
9 putting to you, let us know. Do you understand?
10 A. Yes.
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12 MR. RAMPTON (To the witness): You must understand or perhaps
13 you should understand, Mr. Van Erp, that the issue in this
14 case may be not how many square miles of forest are
15 available for use by McDonald's, but actually how many they
16 are responsible for having cut down, do you understand?
17 A. Yes.
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19 Q. Can I take it this way to make sure I have understood it at
20 least: If you start with 1,000 tonnes of paperboard, yes?
21 A. Yes.
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23 Q. And then you do an imaginary reversal of the process?
24 A. So.
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26 Q. So that in the end you reconstitute the wood which went to
27 make the paperboard into trees?
28 A. Yes.
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30 Q. And you give the trees the right kind of density?
31 A. Yes.
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33 Q. Do you end up with a wood or forest of 33 hectares from
34 which that 1,000 tonnes of paperboard has been produced?
35 A. That is how I have understood those figures.
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37 Q. That is how I understood them too. Thank you. Then
38 finally, Mr. Van Erp -- I am nearly on time -- do you have
39 those little packages of plastic?
40 A. Yes.
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42 Q. Perhaps you should show them to his Lordship, if your
43 Lordship would not mind -- can you sufficiently describe
44 them from memory?
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46 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Are they labelled in some way?
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48 THE WITNESS: They are labelled.
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50 MR. RAMPTON: You can perhaps tell us what they contain.
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52 MR. JUSTICE BELL: (Handed) I will just look at the labels.
53 Perhaps I will not do any harm if I mark them again. The
54 first one, post-consumer polystyrene foam, I will put an
55 "A" on. Post-consumer HIPS Flake I will put a "B" on.
56 Post-consumer recycled polystyrene I will put a "C" on.
57 I may not have put them in intelligent order but at least
58 they have a label.
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60 MR. RAMPTON: I think "C" does actually come last, so far as
