Day 005 - 04 Jul 94 - Page 35


     
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         MR. RAMPTON:  Again the date is of course 21st June 1989.
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         MR. MORRIS:  Yes, sorry, 21st June 1989?
     3        A.  I accept at that date, 1989, HCFCs were being used,
              but you just asked me to read----
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         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Mr. Morris was putting five countries in the
     5        CFC column?
              A.  I see five, yes.
     6
         Q.   Whether you appreciate it or not there may be a
     7        distinction of some importance between CFCs and HCFCs, no
              doubt that could be one of the issues?
     8        A.  There could be.
 
     9   MR. MORRIS:  But five countries were still using CFCs in 1989?
              A.  Five were using CFCs in 1989, yes.
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         Q.   22 I count, or thereabouts, countries were using HCFCs in
    11        1989 approximately?
              A.  I accept there were some in there.  You pointed me to
    12        another document which said the issue about HCFCs being
              re-examined did not take place until a year after June
    13        1989.  In 1989 it was thought that HCFCs were in fact OK.
 
    14   Q.   Yes, whatever the reason, what we are saying is, you
              accept that 27 or 28 countries were using CFCs or HCFCs in
    15        1989?
              A.  Yes.
    16
         Q.   I will leave that at that then.
    17
              If we move on to other elements of packaging case, what
    18        percentage -- maybe you do not know, but when did you
              start using recycled paper in your packaging in this
    19        country approximately?
              A.  I do not know the date.  It has been some time, but I
    20        do not know the date.
 
    21   Q.   Was it in the early 90's, something like that?
              A.  I just told you, I do not know the date.  I am sorry.
    22        I do not remember.
 
    23   Q.   Do you know when McDonald's started introducing recycled
              paper in their packaging in the United States?
    24        A.  No, I do not know the date.  Again it has been
              sometime ago, but I do not know the date.  I am sure there
    25        are people coming after me as witnesses who can give you
              precisely the moment. 
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         Q.   Yes. I will move on to post consumer recycling.  In the 
    27        1980s, for example, in this country, was there any
              recycling by McDonald's of waste packaging by consumers or
    28        by McDonald's after consumers had bought?
              A.  In the 1980's?
    29
         Q.   Yes, in the 1980's?
    30        A.  I do not know.  I would think we would probably have
              started then on the corrugated recycling programme.

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