Day 079 - 27 Jan 95 - Page 45


     
     1        A.  No.
     2
     3   Q.   It is fresh, chilled?
     4        A.  Yes, we may have in the past have bought some frozen
     5        from him but I am not aware of it.
     6
     7   Q.   When Richard North visited McKey, did you go around with
     8        him.
     9        A.  Yes.
    10
    11   Q.   Personally?
    12        A.  Yes.
    13
    14   Q.   At all times?
    15        A.  Yes.
    16
    17   Q.   Have you ever been on an inspection of an abattoir with one
    18        of your inspectors to actually see an actual inspection?
    19        A.  Yes.
    20
    21   Q.   Rather than just a high flying visit, if you like?
    22        A.  Yes.  I have done the inspections myself.
    23
    24   Q.   You have done them yourself?
    25        A.  Yes.
    26
    27   Q.   Is that a position for which you need qualification?
    28        A.  Not necessarily, you can be trained to do it.  You can
    29        be trained do it.  But, I mean, most of my technical people
    30        have got qualifications but that is a bonus.
    31
    32   Q.   When you have done an inspection with one of your
    33        inspectors, do you get the impression that you get a
    34        sanitized picture or do you get an accurate picture of the
    35        day-to-day?
    36        A.  No, we do not get a sanitized picture because we have
    37        all have enough experience that we know where to look if we
    38        want to find trouble, and we can find it if it is there.
    39
    40   Q.   Does the abattoir that you visit ever object to an
    41        inspection by someone from McKey's?
    42        A.  No -- they know they dare not.
    43
    44   Q.   They dare not?
    45        A.  No.
    46
    47   Q.   What happens if you wanted to bring someone with you?
    48        A.  If I wanted to visit an abattoir and they stopped me at
    49        the gate, I would delist that abattoir at once.
    50 
    51   Q.   What happens, though, if you brought someone, say, from the 
    52        Ministry of Agriculture, Food and Fisheries or someone from 
    53        another country, or something, they might object then?
    54        A.  Well, you do that by request.  I mean, if I had an
    55        occasion that someone wanted to visit an abattoir, I could
    56        not request of an abattoir that they see an outside
    57        visitor.  I cannot force them to, but I would be very
    58        surprised if they did not.  I mean, it is just business
    59        politeness.  It is business common sense.  It is good
    60        manners.

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