Day 103 - 14 Mar 95 - Page 65


     
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     2   Q.   So, according to the next page, it seems that those ones
     3        were put back into the chiller ---
     4        A.  Yes.
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     6   Q.   -- to get the temperatures down.  I see.
     7        A.  It says on that section it says:  "Sainsbury's 0 to 3
     8        degrees".
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    10   Q.   So, then it says:  "Fresh Mac six degrees".  Can you
    11        explain that?
    12        A.  The Sainsbury's specification for fresh chicken is you
    13        have to outload at no higher than three degrees.
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    15   Q.   Is that an absolute maximum?
    16        A.  That is an absolute for that customer.
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    18   Q.   So if it is 3.1 it is absolutely not acceptable?
    19        A.  That is the way -- they will reject anything that is
    20        above three degrees that we deliver to them.  The fresh
    21        maximum six degrees is the normal that we would use for
    22        what we call work-in-progress in the department.
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    24   Q.   During the process?
    25        A.  During the actual cutting and deboning process.
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    27   Q.   So the meat for Sainsbury's is uncooked meat, is it?
    28        A.  Yes, this will be portions for Sainsbury's.
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    30   Q.   Chilled?
    31        A.  Chilled portions.
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    33   Q.   The same as for McDonald's, I mean the same meat,
    34        effectively?
    35        A.  Yes.
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    37   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  But not off the bone?
    38        A.  No, this would be the portions that we do for
    39        Sainsbury's would be the drum sticks.
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    41   MR. RAMPTON:  Is Mr. Morris suggesting McDonald's meat is
    42        chilled when it leaves the plant?  If so, he had better
    43        make that suggestion.
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    45   MR. MORRIS:  So Sainsbury's have higher standards than
    46        McDonald's in terms of temperature?
    47        A.  They have a different temperature requirement.  The
    48        other standards in terms of meat handling and so on are
    49        identical.
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    51   Q.   If we go seven pages further on. 
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    53   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  On mine anyway we get numbers at the top.
    54        Can you give us one of those.
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    56   MR. MORRIS:  Fax number page 003, but they do not seem to be in
    57        any logical order, the page numbers.
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    59   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  The Nitro Tunnel.
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