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     1   Q.   Just while we are on that last subject about fire, can we
     2        go to the Glasgow incident report forms; I do not know
     3        where they have been put.  I do not know if they are in the
     4        witness bundle.  It is 57P.  Do you have them there?  It is
     5        the Lingwood section, page 2 of the Lingwood section.  Have
     6        you got it?  It is the last section No. 2 of that tab.
     7
     8   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I am not with you, Mr. Morris.  In 57P?
     9
    10   MR. MORRIS:  I was told it was 57P.
    11
    12   MS. STEEL:  It is No. 443.
    13
    14   MR. MORRIS:  It is store 443.
    15
    16   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It is the second sheet, is it?
    17
    18   MS. STEEL:  No.
    19
    20   MR. MORRIS:  It has a "2" on it.  It is the second to last sheet
    21        in that section.  It is No. 2 at the bottom of the page.
    22        (To the witness):  Mrs. Barnes, have you got that?
    23        A.  I have got it, yes.
    24
    25   Q.   This is an incident report form from Lingwood McDonald's
    26        store; "Yasminder Ragger whilst filtering on the close
    27        noticed the reflection of a flame and then saw some fumes
    28        from the underside of the filtering machine.  Somebody, a
    29        Floor Manager, extinguished the fire with an extinguisher".
    30          Do you accept that fires have occurred at McDonald's from
    31        the filtering machine?
    32        A.  OK.  It would appear so in that case, but there is
    33        nothing to say it was an electrical fire.  One of the
    34        design faults that was identified at the time of Manchester
    35        Arndale was that the machines could get very, very hot
    36        underneath.  So, as part of the retrofit programme, when we
    37        put in the switches, we put in a heat shields on the bottom
    38        to address that.
    39
    40   Q.   This was June 1993?
    41        A.  Yes, it was a little while after.
    42
    43   Q.   I am going to come on to your report but, before I do that,
    44        could you get out the Defendants' witness statements which
    45        are the light blue at the front?  There should be a list, I
    46        do not know which one Robert Chapman is.
    47        A.  15.
    48
    49   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It is volume 2?
    50        A.  Yes, it is No. 15. 
    51 
    52   MR. MORRIS:  Can you just read that to yourself, please? (Pause 
    53        to read.) Have you have you seen it before?
    54        A.  I think I have, yes.  OK.
    55
    56   Q.   You were in charge of the investigation, yes?
    57        A.  I pulled together all the detail, although the was a
    58        unusual investigation, in that I did not carry out any
    59        interviews with the people involved in the accident, and
    60        the reason we did that was twofold.  First of all, the

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