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     1        that provide information.  So, there are many sources of
     2        information from the National Cancer Institute.
     3
     4   Q.   I am going to in a moment suggest to you, Dr. Barnard, and
     5        you may as well be forewarned of this, that, in fact, the
     6        graph of certainty, if I can call it that, particularly in
     7        relation to breast cancer has, in fact, gone downwards
     8        since 1982.
     9
    10        I am going to invite you to travel with me down a
    11        chronological road so we can see whether I am right or
    12        not.  But before I do that, I would like you to look at
    13        the next of your references, No. 6, which is a National
    14        Cancer Institute document for a year earlier 1991.  It is
    15        entitled:  "Cancer of the Colon and Rectum:  Research
    16        Report".  It was revised in October 1991, which one can
    17        see in the bottom left-hand corner, the very month in
    18        which you appeared on the television programme.
    19
    20        I am afraid to say, once again, I have not been supplied
    21        with the whole of this document, only with selected
    22        extracts.  I have got, as I hope you have, a page numbered
    23        6 at the top left-hand corner.  Have you got that?
    24        A.  I do.
    25
    26   Q.   You do.  Sorry, you have to say "yes" because you are
    27        being recorded in the bowels of the court.
    28
    29   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  We can see nods, but the recording equipment
    30        cannot.
    31
    32   MR. RAMPTON:  It is not a matter of courtesy to me; that does
    33        not matter at all.
    34        A.  Sorry; my pause was simply because it took me a bit of
    35        time to identify the page number on this document, so
    36        forgive my pause.
    37
    38   Q.   Have you got the original of this document with you in
    39        England or did you only bring copy pages?
    40
    41   MR. MORRIS:  No.
    42
    43   THE WITNESS:  I have the original here.
    44
    45   MR. RAMPTON:  Do you think that I could have a quick look at
    46        it?
    47
    48   MR. MORRIS:  We did show it to the Plaintiffs yesterday, as far
    49        as I remember.
    50 
    51   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Mr. Rampton is only asking to look at it. 
    52        (Handed). 
    53
    54   MR. RAMPTON:  Thank you very much.  Will you forgive me a
    55        moment, my Lord, while I glance at this?
    56
    57   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.  Mr. Rampton may ask you, and if he
    58        does not I would like to at some stage, whether you can
    59        identify an NCI publication which does say that 35 to 50
    60        per cent of cancers are due to diet, as opposed to some

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