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     1        is just that appearing on the same page as F (which is page
     2        13 of the draft) is H -- I do not want to take you out of
     3        order but I have read the Defendants' skeleton argument --
     4        so far as heart disease is concerned -- just put cancer on
     5        one side for a moment -- does proposed F1 add anything to
     6        H, the meaning pleaded in H?
     7
     8   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, I will answer the question when I have a
     9        copy of the document.
    10
    11   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Because that does use the word "cause" in
    12        relation to heart attacks.
    13
    14   MR. RAMPTON:  Yes, my Lord, it does use that word in relation to
    15        heart attacks.  That comes from a different, if sensitive,
    16        part of leaflet, in fact, is part of the context.  I am not
    17        quite sure what implication that has, to be quite honest
    18        with your Lordship.  Whether that should be read as
    19        explaining the word "link" which is used in the old F, I do
    20        not know.  I do not necessarily want to make that
    21        submission.
    22
    23        The submission that I will make is that not only is
    24        "linked" capable in this existing pleading of meaning
    25        "causes", but has actually been taken to allege or to say
    26        "cause" both by your Lordship and by Mr. Justice Drake
    27        and, arguably, by Lord Justice Neill in the Court of
    28        Appeal.  Whether in arriving at that conclusion your
    29        Lordship, Mr. Justice Drake and the Court of Appeal had in
    30        mind this paragraph, submissions that I have made about the
    31        meaning of the leaflet or, indeed, the leaflet itself, of
    32        course, I do not know.  But the fact is that the court has
    33        on different occasions interpreted the pleaded word "linked
    34        with cancers of the breast and bowel and heart disease" as
    35        meaning "causing cancers of the breast and bowel and heart
    36        disease".  It may be that the paragraph H which your
    37        Lordship has drawn attention to has, as it were, assisted
    38        in that perception.
    39
    40   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It may do.  Of course, that relates to food
    41        high in sugar and sodium.  It does not include the high in
    42        fat or saturated fat.
    43
    44   MR. RAMPTON:  No.  It is because, my Lord, it comes directly
    45        from that part of the -----
    46
    47   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It comes from a part lower down the page.
    48
    49   MR. RAMPTON:   Paying for the habit which, for its first part,
    50        is related to the undefended suggestion that McDonald's 
    51        food creates craving. 
    52 
    53   MR. MORRIS:  Sorry, can you explain what you mean?
    54
    55   MR. RAMPTON:  We have had no evidence from the Defendants about
    56        craving.
    57
    58   MS. STEEL:  We argue it is a matter of common sense.
    59
    60   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.  Sorry, I interrupted you.

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