Day 185 - 07 Nov 95 - Page 53
1 office and spoke to Cam.
2
3 Q. They returned to the office, so they were in the office
4 earlier on?
5 A. No, they were not at the store, as far as I knew. They
6 left early in the morning, I think it was 8 o'clock in the
7 morning. They were not in the office at all until they
8 came back and spoke to Cam.
9
10 Q. The crew meeting on 5th October, which you say was a
11 staggering coincidence that it was held immediately after
12 this weekend; is that correct?
13 A. It was -- it was prearranged but it was an actual rap
14 session, crew meeting, the same thing. We have about three
15 or four rap sessions a year. This has been planned for
16 about two or three weeks before the thing went down the
17 Labour Board. We had notices up all over the store for it
18 before the union thing came out.
19
20 Q. You said you agreed with what Sabina had said about the
21 meeting. She said: "Cam told us of the benefits and
22 advantages of working at McDonald's. He said it was up to
23 us to decide whether we wanted a union. He did not tell us
24 we should not join a union". Is that all that he said, it
25 was your right to join a union if you so wished?
26 A. Sorry?
27
28 Q. Is that what he said, that it is your right to join a union
29 and he would not interfere with that?
30 A. He did not say he would interfere. He did not tell us
31 which way to vote. All he did was to tell all us about
32 McDonald's, about the benefits we have, and he did not tell
33 us not to -- he did not say: "Vote no". He did not
34 threaten us in any way or anything like that.
35
36 Q. He said it was your right to join a union if you so wished
37 though?
38 A. Yes, he said if you -- he said he does not know who
39 signed the cards or who did not, but whoever did, he did
40 not care. He was not threatening anybody. He said: "If
41 you join a union, you join a union; if you do not, you do
42 not". He did not tell us which way to vote.
43
44 Q. Did he say it was your right to join a union?
45 A. I do not remember him saying those words exactly, no.
46
47 Q. He did not make it clear what people's right were then?
48
49 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Why should he?
50
51 MR. MORRIS: I am asking.
52
53 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I mean, there has been no suggestion that he
54 did, apart from the account she has given of the meeting.
55
56 MR. MORRIS: Right.
57
58 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You say you are just asking, but if you
59 suggest it, I have to try to keep up to speed and it sounds
60 to me as if you are suggesting he should have said: "It is
