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1 IV contains the references that -----
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3 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, it is sickly green II, the Defendants'
4 references on Nutrition.
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6 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Do you mean the very pale green?
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8 MR. RAMPTON: Yes, my Lord.
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10 MR. JUSTICE BELL: What has that got on the outside?
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12 MR. RAMPTON: It has: Defendants' Expert References Volume II,
13 Nutrition, Neil Barnard.
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15 MR. MORRIS: Maybe there is, as Helen, suggested a better way
16 of dealing with this.
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18 MR. JUSTICE BELL: That is a typical example. I have not
19 embarked on that bundle. I might spend days reading it
20 and trying to digest it and then find that there were only
21 particular parts. You set off and see how we go, but what
22 I suggest is that you embark on it this afternoon. We
23 will see how we go. If it is obviously an unproductive
24 way of doing it, you think overnight about how ----
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26 MR. MORRIS: I do not know if I have been misunderstood. I was
27 trying to be helpful. I was not intending to refer to
28 every single reference, but to ask Dr. Barnard to pick out
29 the ones he specifically wanted to refer the court to and
30 the sections of them. But maybe a better way would be for
31 Dr. Barnard to identify overnight so that we would save
32 time.
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34 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Let us see how we go on that. One thing,
35 for instance, which I remember Dr. Arnott doing, he was
36 referred by Mr. Rampton to the Kinland paper and that, for
37 instance, was helpful, whatever conclusion I draw from
38 it. I have heard criticism which Dr. Barnard has made of
39 it, because it purported to take stock at a certain stage,
40 I think, 1987.
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42 MR. RAMPTON: One in 1987 and one in 1991.
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44 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Of what the state of play was up to then.
45 Anyway, you start off with Dr. Barnard this way and let us
46 see how we go. They are not necessarily, you see, in
47 chronological order; they are not.
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49 MR. RAMPTON: I should also say, my Lord, at this stage that
50 the earlier ones which I did not refer to this morning,
51 11, and -- sorry, I had better give them their names,
52 Chang Claude which is referred to in Dr. Barnard's
53 statement and 17, it was 1988 Surgeon General's Report.
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55 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Do you have a suggestion, Mr. Rampton? At
56 the end of the day, Mr. Morris has to choose how he wishes
57 to do it because it is his witness.
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59 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, it is very difficult for me because
60 I have read a number of these. I make no secret of the
