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     1        A.  They would then be put on salary and become a Second
     2        Assistant Manager.
     3
     4   Q.   When would they get training in First Aid?
     5        A.  I believe it is shortly after the basic Operations
     6        course.
     7
     8   Q.   Which lasts how long?
     9        A.  Well, the basic Operations course is a week; the First
    10        Aid course is four days.
    11
    12   Q.   Do management come in at levels higher than the Second
    13        Assistant Manager?
    14        A.  No, they do not, and neither would a Second Assistant
    15        run shifts straightaway when they have come off their basic
    16        Operations course.
    17
    18   Q.   So if they are getting First Aid training in the first
    19        couple of weeks, why are only 80 to 90 per cent of salaried
    20        managers trained in First Aid?
    21        A.  It is the first couple of weeks after they have taken
    22        their basic operations course.  They will have been trainee
    23        managers then for three, four months.
    24
    25   Q.   But they would not be salaried?
    26        A.  Yes, they would be salaried Trainee Managers.  There
    27        are two routes to salaried management, through crew up
    28        through Floor Managers, which is all hourly paid, but some
    29        people, in fact, most salaried management, join as Trainee
    30        Managers.  They are salaried from the time they join.
    31
    32        Now, the reason we would not be 100 per cent is that there
    33        is that last phase between when they take their basic
    34        Operations course and when they go on their First Aid
    35        course and, perhaps, some catching up to do -- I would hope
    36        not now -- with the people who have been with us a while.
    37
    38   Q.   You think that would account for 20 per cent of salaried
    39        management?
    40        A.  I do not know.  Those are the figures I have been
    41        given, so they are right as far as I am aware.
    42
    43   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Mrs. Mead's statement said that in 1989 the
    44        figure for turnover for salaried management, including
    45        Trainee Managers, was 23.2, and it was 15.4 at the time of
    46        her statement which was made at the beginning of last year.
    47
    48   MS. STEEL:   Do you have a copy of the Successful Health and
    49        Safety Management document, that you said that you fell in
    50        love with, in your files? 
    51        A.  I do, yes.  It is a standard HMSO publication .  In 
    52        fact, I have several copies.  We use it as part of the 
    53        intermediate health and safety course as well.
    54
    55   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Did you actually give a title of the
    56        document -- I cannot remember -- yesterday?
    57        A.  It is called Successful Health and Safety Management.
    58        It is HSE65 in the HSE publications.
    59
    60   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That was actually the title, not just a

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