Day 167 - 02 Oct 95 - Page 28
1 A. But, you know -----
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3 Q. If it is the case (and we have heard evidence) that five
4 per cent of all staff approximately every week are working
5 over 39 hours, at least five per cent, and that would
6 translate as something like 25 per cent of all full-timers
7 are working over 39 hours, something like that, i.e. 25 per
8 cent of full-timers are every week breaking the policy of
9 the Company, is that not something that would have got back
10 to you?
11 A. Well, I am not sure that the fact -- those figures are
12 accurate. I have not heard those figures. I am sure that
13 there are people who do work more than 39 hours in the
14 Company -- I certain do.
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16 Q. I am talking about crew.
17 A. Well, also some crew, I am sure, do -- willingly as
18 well. What we would have recommended in that situation is
19 that there comes a time when people do not become effective
20 because they get tired, and so they should not work, but
21 that, you know, 39, it may be 35 for some, it may be 45 for
22 others, but 39 was a figure that the Company had given as a
23 guideline.
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25 Q. So it does not matter to you if the policies of the Company
26 are broken?
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28 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Look, try to stick to what Mr. Tindale can
29 help us about.
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31 MR. MORRIS: He is in charge of training and -----
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33 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes, I know. Do not ask whether it matters
34 to him; it is whether it matters to me at the end of the
35 day which counts.
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37 MR. MORRIS (To the witness): But that is something that did not
38 get fed back in your meetings with Operations; that was not
39 an issue that came up?
40 A. No, not to my specific knowledge.
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42 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It is five to one. Let us think about what
43 our timetable is from now on.
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45 MR. MORRIS: We are close to finish.
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47 MR. JUSTICE BELL (To the witness): Sit down for a moment,
48 Mr. Tindale.
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50 MR. MORRIS: We are close to finish but I do not think we will
51 finish by 1.00, so if we could have the break that would be
52 appreciated.
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54 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes, what I think we should do is come back
55 at 2 o'clock, finish Mr. Tindale, then, unless anyone has a
56 contrary suggestion, we will have your discussion with
57 Mr. Atkinson. I would like you to spend a bit of the
58 mid-day break thinking just what you want to put to
59 Mr. Atkinson so you have yourself organised on that.
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