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     1        concern, leave aside why the concern was, because otherwise
     2        you would not have got to hear of it?
     3        A.  Right, agree with that.
     4
     5   Q.   What do you say about how wide the public concern was, if
     6        any, at the time you made your decision?  If you answer
     7        that, Ms. Steel can ask you more about your answer if she
     8        wishes?
     9        A.  I do not feel it was of wide public concern at that
    10        time.  Certainly, I did not get any pressure at that time;
    11        I think I would have done had it been a wide public
    12        concern.
    13
    14   MS. STEEL:  There were publicly expressed concerns about
    15        McDonald's packaging specifically?
    16        A.  I agree with that.
    17
    18   Q.   That was before you took the decision, before you
    19        approached Lin Pac and asked them to make the changes away
    20        from CFCs?
    21        A.  Yes.
    22
    23   Q.   Yes.  I put it to you that the only reason or, OK, not the
    24        only reason -- one of the reasons, and maybe the only
    25        reason, that you asked Lin Pac to stop using CFCs in
    26        McDonald's packaging was because you were worried that you
    27        were going to be the target of some sort of campaign of
    28        Friends of the Earth, or other environmental organisations,
    29        asking people to boycott your products which were served in
    30        foam packaging made with CFCs?
    31        A.  Friends of the Earth or other environmental
    32        organisations were never a consideration.  When I took this
    33        decision, they were never a consideration.  I took it
    34        because of the reasons I explained yesterday and again this
    35        morning.
    36
    37   MR. MORRIS:  This decision was taken at the highest level, was
    38        it, to phase out CFCs?
    39        A.  There was a discussion between Paul Preston and myself.
    40
    41   Q.   Just the two of you?
    42        A.  Just the two of us.
    43
    44   Q.   Is that how McDonald's makes decisions?
    45        A.  Sometimes; it depends on the situation.
    46
    47   Q.   So it would not even have been discussed by a board
    48        meeting?
    49        A.  Certainly not.
    50 
    51   Q.   So the McDonald's Restaurants Limited' environmental 
    52        concerns at that time largely hinged on you seeing reports 
    53        in the newspapers?
    54        A.  No, wrong; on that one issue, that is correct.  It is
    55        not -- the environmental policy at that time did not
    56        largely hinge on me seeing reports in newspapers.  On that
    57        one issue it did, which was way ahead of the Montreal
    58        Protocol, I would add.
    59
    60   MS. STEEL:  I just want to ask you some questions about

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