Day 053 - 22 Nov 94 - Page 32


     
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     2   MS. STEEL:  It does not mention cancer down there particularly,
     3        and also it says "this sort of fake food".  It is clear
     4        there, again, that it is not specifically referring just to
     5        McDonald's food, but to food that is high in fat and sugar
     6        and low in fibre, et cetera.
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     8   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Do you want to go on to 10, then?
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    10   MS. STEEL:   Yes.  That can probably just be taken as read.
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    12   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I would like you to expand on it, so I can
    13        see where, if anywhere, you say you have actually missed
    14        out?  I know you have not called some witnesses who did
    15        mention heart disease, but where have you called witnesses
    16        who would have advanced the matter at all beyond what
    17        Dr. Barnard said and what Professor Crawford said and what
    18        Geoffrey Cannon said in his very full gathering together of
    19        papers?
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    21   MS. STEEL:   None of them really went into detail about the type
    22        of relationship.  Yes, it was mentioned.
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    24   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It was clearly a causal relationship,
    25        according to their evidence, was it not?
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    27   MS. STEEL:  Yes.  I am not sure -- I mean, if the Plaintiffs now
    28        admit causal relation -----
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    30   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I have no difficulty with heart disease, so
    31        far any difficulty from your point of view is concerned,
    32        because you have actually called witnesses who say a diet
    33        of a certain nature is causally linked to heart disease.
    34        They have said:  "We know largely the mechanism whereby it
    35        is linked", and none of that has been challenged on behalf
    36        of the Plaintiffs.  You could carry on calling witnesses
    37        for ever without putting yourself in any stronger position,
    38        could you not?
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    40   MS. STEEL:  I think the argument that was prepared here was
    41        prepared before Mr. Rampton made his admission of a causal
    42        association.
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    44   MR. RAMPTON:  I must intervene at this stage.  This has been
    45        repeated ad nauseum; it is completely false, and I am sick
    46        of it, I have to say, which is why I used word ad nauseum.
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    48        Can I draw your Lordship's attention to what I said in
    49        opening, which is at tab 7 of my skeleton argument, page
    50        38, lines 17 to 26, where I draw the clearest possible 
    51        distinction between the issues arising in relation to 
    52        cancer and the issue arising in relation to heart disease. 
    53        It is quite clear that in opening this case I conceded that
    54        the relationship between diet and heart disease was a
    55        causal one.  I hope, by that means, we can stop going over
    56        this wholly false, wobbly ground.  Page 38, line 17, ending
    57        at line 30.
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    59   MR. MORRIS:  Can he identify which particular line he says there
    60        is a causal relationship?

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