Day 079 - 27 Jan 95 - Page 58


     
     1   Q.   Whereas the other is whatever is not positive release, it
     2        is general release?
     3        A.  Yes.
     4
     5   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It is this general release, but since you
     6        have got the E.coli positive release as it happens it will
     7        have been sitting there giving you time to get your
     8        bacteriological results back, if I have understood your
     9        system?
    10        A.  Yes, sir.
    11
    12   Q.   But you are still convinced in your own mind that if it was
    13        more than 10 million per gramme that had not appeared to be
    14        of poor condition on visual or touch matter, provided it
    15        did have positive release on E.coli it could go to
    16        McDonald's?
    17        A.  Yes, sir.
    18
    19   MS. STEEL:  Can I ask another question?  Is all the equipment,
    20        the manufacturing equipment, sterilized between each batch?
    21        A.  No.
    22
    23   Q.   It is not?
    24        A.  It is not, no.  It is sterilized for 8 hours at night.
    25        There is a complete strip down of all the machines.  There
    26        is a night cleaning shift.  There is a separate boiler
    27        system and the whole thing is cleaned with bacteriocidal
    28        foam, hot water, cold water, steam, etc.
    29
    30   Q.   That is only time it happens, at night?
    31        A.  Yes.
    32
    33   MR. MORRIS:  When a combo is tipped out what happens to the
    34        physical bin, what happens to it?
    35        A.  What, that the meat came in?
    36
    37   Q.   Yes.
    38        A.  It is destroyed.  There is a big compactor and it is
    39        all smashed up and goes away.
    40
    41   Q.   I thought there were big metal tubs?
    42        A.  No, cardboard.  Most are cardboard.
    43
    44   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That is why they have eight sides because
    45        that gives them extra strength?
    46        A.  Yes.  They are cardboard.  We have some in-house
    47        plastic ones, giant white plastic ones, but when meat comes
    48        in on trucks it comes in on cardboard combos.
    49
    50   MR. MORRIS:  Where is tipped out of the combos onto? 
    51 
    52   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think you have a picture? 
    53        A.  Yes, you have got a very good picture.  You have a
    54        picture of a cardboard combo on the loading dock coming in
    55        off a truck.  You have a picture of the combo being tipped
    56        into the initial grinder, the stainless steel grinder, and
    57        you have a picture of the ground meat coming out into the
    58        toe pins before they are transferred to the formax machines
    59        which are the beginning of that long line that you can see
    60        in the bigger picture.

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