Day 293 - 04 Nov 96 - Page 37
1 tenth of that', or anything like that.
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3 MR JUSTICE BELL: No, what did say is you do not multiply by the
4 number of years in the cycle.
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6 MR. MORRIS: No, but that is partly because he was getting
7 confused about the way the calculations had been made. He
8 had been encouraged to do the calculations in a certain
9 way, as we all had, and it was very difficult to look at
10 them in a fresh way, from a different angle; and that is
11 why everyone was getting confused, because they were trying
12 to fit the quart into the pint pot and it was not going.
13 (Pause) You see, at the top of page -----
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15 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You see, what he said at line 41 on page 45
16 -- I had completely forgotten -- is really what I was
17 trying to say half an hour ago, is it not?
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19 MR. MORRIS: You see, if you look at the top of page 45, he
20 says that in 100 years, so to speak, of operations on that
21 line, we need 100 times that 1.42, which is 142 hectares
22 or, in fact, square miles, and then he says, "Yes", you
23 see. So, the next question: "I am talking about area
24 forest cover needed to provide that 1.42 square miles."
25 Answer: "Yes."
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27 MR JUSTICE BELL: Yes. But I do not think he is actually
28 accepting -- I do not think he realised there what you were
29 trying to put to him. When you did actually put it to him,
30 at the foot of the page, he said "no".
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32 MR. MORRIS: But he did not say, "No, it is not true"; what he
33 said is that it is not -- what I believe he is saying --
34 you cannot strictly say it must be 100 times this or it
35 must be 80 times this; but he has accepted, at the top of
36 the page there, the basic principle, and that is -----
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38 MR JUSTICE BELL: Well, I hear what you say. Anyway,
39 I understand your point, and I have to consider what
40 I think he was saying.
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42 MR. MORRIS: You see, what he is saying at the bottom of
43 page 44: "If one is being totally fair" -- i.e., something
44 he had been discouraged from doing by McDonald's, because
45 they had asked him to do something in a different way --
46 "one is taking a very large area of forest." So, what he
47 is saying is, the reality is that you do need a very large
48 area of forest to be able to take out continuously, you
49 know -----
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51 MR. JUSTICE BELL: What I wrote in the margin of my notebook
52 about half an hour ago: this is really about what the
53 leaflet means -- because if the leaflet is referring to the
54 area of sustainable forest which you require, then I can
55 see that -- and you want to do it in the best possible
56 ecological way -- it might be a very considerable area.
57 If, on the other hand, what the leaflet means is that that
58 is the area chopped down each year -- and this is what
59 I have to decide -- it certainly has not been proved that
60 you need anything like the 800 square miles referred to the
