Day 203 - 12 Jan 96 - Page 32


     
     1        see if we could work out exactly what was going on, and
     2        there were some other incidents which occurred which then
     3        led me to speak to crew, and then crew told me about other
     4        crew, and I interviewed, I think, six or eight crew whose
     5        names either cropped up because we found one or two of them
     6        on reports or because other crew had mentioned that they --
     7        somebody had mentioned to them, or because they said that
     8        they were also working that night.  Then, you know, in
     9        terms of the actual -- I conducted interviews with six or
    10        eight, as I say, people about the hours that they had
    11        worked; because somebody else had mentioned they were
    12        either working that night or they were on the crew
    13        schedule, and I asked them to reconcile their payslip
    14        against the number of hours that they recalled having
    15        worked.
    16
    17        So, to be perfectly honest, now thinking about it, I mean,
    18        really, we cannot have been talking about much more than
    19        four weeks prior to when I was actually sitting there
    20        talking to the crew, or five weeks at most, probably two
    21        pay periods, from when I was actually sitting there talking
    22        to them.  You know, the amount that we paid out as well,
    23        you know, would suggest that it did not, it does not, we
    24        were not referring to a great amount of time, given that
    25        there were six or eight people there.
    26
    27   MR. MORRIS:  So, are you saying that six to eight crew for a
    28        period of four weeks before May were being docked?
    29        A.  Before May/June, before the time we investigated,
    30        I asked the crew to come forward in relation to, you know,
    31        as I have just related, in that crew mentioned other crews'
    32        names, I interviewed them.  I asked them if they could
    33        talk, look at their payslips, had they noticed any
    34        discrepancies, were they working this night?  "Let us go
    35        through your schedule.  Let us see if you were working",
    36        and we went through and we identified that those crew had
    37        not been paid for their shifts.  If I had been -- if it had
    38        been brought to my attention by those people on that --
    39        sorry, am I to carry on because .....
    40
    41   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, do try and remember, I am not getting at
    42        you but I think------
    43
    44   MR. MORRIS:  I forget the point if we do not deal with it.
    45
    46   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I know.  It is not a question of you
    47        forgetting the point; you have not been told it yet.  What
    48        I suggest is listen to the rest of the answer, then
    49        Ms. Steel will tell you the point.  I will not hurry you
    50        and I will give you all the time you want to be told by Ms. 
    51        Steel what it is. 
    52 
    53   MR. MORRIS:  Right.
    54
    55   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It is just we run into the problem of me
    56        interrupting you, which interrupts the flow of the witness
    57        and the witness interrupting himself.  I know the
    58        temptation; I have down it a thousand times myself when I
    59        have been standing where you are.  Yes.  Can you pick up
    60        the thread again?

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