Day 187 - 13 Nov 95 - Page 29
1 MR. JUSTICE BELL: What was that one?
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3 MR. RAMPTON: Vol. Tentative (inaudible), attempted fraud?
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5 THE INTERPRETER: Attempted fraud, yes.
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7 MR. RAMPTON: (To the witness): Do you know about that case?
8 A. We are now in November, and I have still not been
9 informed or called before a magistrate on this matter.
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11 Q. Does it follow that you do not know of another case started
12 on 30th May 1995, for subornation of witnesses?
13 A. No.
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15 Q. Do you know Patrice Verceuil?
16 A. Yes.
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18 Q. Does he know Mark Perez?
19 A. Yes.
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21 Q. Does he know Marge Laredo?
22 A. Yes.
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24 Q. Who is Said Hammache?
25 A. He is responsible for the CFDT Commercial and Services
26 branch of Lyon.
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28 Q. You do not know, then, that you and Mr. Hammache are
29 accused of suborning the testimony, by threats and
30 intimidation, of those witnesses Perez and Laredo?
31 A. No. This is the first time that I hear of it.
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33 Q. Did you know that on 19th October, 1995, Mr. Antolinos --
34 the first two suits being by Vilpaix -- initiated a case
35 against you personally for "attestation non sangeur" --
36 lying testimony?
37 A. No.
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39 Q. You -----
40 A. It is important to know that everything that I have
41 said in my statement is backed up by documented evidence
42 supplied to the court.
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44 Q. Then you will not accept this suggestion, I take it, that
45 you have engaged in theft at McDonald's in Lyon, in
46 attempted fraud; that you have threatened and intimidated
47 witnesses who were to give evidence against you in those
48 first proceedings ---
49 A. No.
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51 Q. -- and that what you have said about Mr. Antolinos in this
52 statement in French is a tissue of lies?
53 A. No.
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55 MR. MORRIS: Can I just note that the witness shook his head as
56 each point was raised?
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58 MR. RAMPTON: It came across as "no" from the interpreter.
59 My Lord, I cannot take it any further than that.
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