Day 256 - 04 Jun 96 - Page 76


     
     1        This is an interesting sort of illustration but it needs
     2        much more analysis than what is shown here.  I think in
     3        general what you have just said is certainly interesting,
     4        but it runs against, you know, what we tend to see using
     5        more or less the same countries.  On other graphs, when you
     6        do these progression type of graphs, we do not see what you
     7        have just basically concluded, so I do not why there is a
     8        discrepancy here between these data and the others.  You
     9        said the Government did this.
    10
    11   Q.   The Government did it, yes?
    12        A.  Well ----
    13
    14   Q.   The Government compiled the figures, one assumes, from,
    15        I do not know what sort of figures, death registration
    16        figures, and the national food consumption figures, one
    17        assumes, and made these pretty tales for us so we can
    18        compare food intake with heart disease and stroke
    19        mortality.
    20        A.  What one finds peculiar here is that it is kind of
    21        strange that in Germany they are consuming more meat and so
    22        forth and more vegetables at the same time.  What in the
    23        world is being eaten here?
    24
    25   Q.   It may be one reason why they are fatter then we are.
    26        A.  It is quite a substantial difference, according to
    27        these graphs here, and I really wonder about that.
    28
    29   Q.   Joking aside, Professor, from one of your answers you gave
    30        his Lordship earlier today, one of the limbs of your thesis
    31        is that the more meat you eat the less room do you have for
    32        vegetables?
    33        A.  Right.
    34
    35   Q.   And vice versa?
    36        A.  Right.
    37
    38   Q.   So, if you are eating significant quantities of both, you
    39        are going to be consuming more energy and so you may be a
    40        little bit fatter than other people?
    41        A.  It is possible, of course.
    42
    43   Q.   Yes, and you ought to have a higher mortality rate from
    44        heart disease, ought you not?
    45        A.  In general, that is true, yes, unless you have some
    46        confounding and compensatory and other effects.
    47
    48   Q.   If your hypothesis about fat and cancer is right, you ought
    49        also to have a higher incidence of cancer mortality, ought
    50        you not? 
    51        A.  Yes.  When you look at the full range of fat intake 
    52        across all countries and just choosing countries here in 
    53        Europe, which are rather similar to each other in many
    54        ways, when you look at the total fat intake compared -- I
    55        mean, just look -- me give you an illustration here --
    56        under the percentage of energy/food energy from fat, the
    57        lowest country on there is -----
    58
    59   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Where are you looking now?
    60        A.  Basically C1.  If you look at the fat intake there, I

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