Day 060 - 02 Dec 94 - Page 38


     
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     2   Q.   What do you mean by that?
     3        A.  A plant that was established originally in the
     4        restaurants.
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     6   Q.   So, what percentage of stores still have that?
     7        A.  Anything that was not a new store five years ago, so it
     8        is the last ---
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    10   Q.   The majority?
    11        A.  -- the last 250 stores we built would not have CFCs in
    12        the refrigeration.
    13
    14   Q.   No, CFCs at all?  Even CFC -----
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    16   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  There is nothing to be gained from unpicking
    17        that because the CFC becomes a hazard, if it does become a
    18        hazard, when you ----
    19        A.  When you destroy the equipment.
    20
    21   Q.   Yes, so there is no advantage in destroying it earlier
    22        rather than later in order to get non-CFC refrigeration?
    23        A.  That is correct; in fact, the reverse could be true.
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    25   MR. MORRIS:  When did you cease using CFCs in your
    26        transportation?
    27        A.  Again, in the distribution centre, in transportation,
    28        as we bought new equipment we made the change.  So, it will
    29        be at various times; it would not be at any one point in
    30        time.
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    32   Q.   Is most of your transportation still using the CFC?
    33        A.  No, we buy new trucks almost every year.
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    35   Q.   You completely scrap a whole fleet each year?
    36        A.  No, as they expire we replace them.
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    38   Q.   What percentage do you replace each year?
    39        A.  I do not know.
    40
    41   Q.   Do you happen to know ----
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    43   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Can I just ask -- it may not turn out to be
    44        relevant -- when you say "as they expire", are they all on
    45        some kind of lease arrangement rather than outright
    46        purchase?
    47        A.  They are on a long-term lease, usually; and they do
    48        expire at different times.  In one year you may replace six
    49        or seven; in another year it might be one or two, depending
    50        on when the arrangement was first entered into. 
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    52   MR. MORRIS:  Did you, through your pioneering concern for the 
    53        effect of CFCs on the ozone layer, ensure that the company
    54        issued memos to all its transporters and to in-store
    55        refrigeration to make sure that CFC usage stopped?
    56        A.  We talked directly.
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    58   Q.   New equipment?
    59        A.  We talked directly with the distribution companies that
    60        supply us.  They would  ---

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