Day 207 - 23 Jan 96 - Page 64
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2 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You see, all I need to know, Mr. Morris, is
3 whether you think you have a point; if so, put what you
4 think your point is.
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6 MR. MORRIS (To the witness): It seems to me that the in time
7 and out time that you have put down on those days, 382, are
8 what the person was scheduled for, yes, 8.00 until 12.00,
9 12.45 to 16.15; is that correct?
10 A. From what I can see, from the information I have put
11 the person in from 8 o'clock until quarter past 4, yes.
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13 Q. Yes. Right. So, all I am saying is you would not have
14 done that with consultation with the crew person, would
15 you? You did that on the same day that they had left?
16 A. Well, the time entry is at 16.41.
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18 Q. Exactly. So you made this four hours later without the
19 crew person involved, and you just put down what they had
20 been scheduled for? That is the way it is done, yes?
21 A. How do you allow the four hours?
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23 Q. You made this four hours -----
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25 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You did it 26 minutes after the clock out
26 time, you made this change. If what you did, they having
27 left and you not finding anything on the clock card file,
28 is say: "Well, I know he has been in and I scheduled him
29 from 8.00 until 12.00 and 8.00 until 4.15, so I am going to
30 clock him in for when he should have arrived and clock him
31 out for when he should have gone, and I will assume he took
32 his 45 minutes in the middle". I cannot see anything wrong
33 with that, because if the employee has been a bit dopey
34 that day and not bothered to clock himself in and out, I do
35 not see why the Manager should not assume he has worked his
36 scheduled hours. But, again that might be a complete
37 misunderstanding.
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39 MR. MORRIS: Could I just ask the witness, would that be the
40 kind of normal practice to assume people had worked their
41 scheduled hours when you did not know?
42 A. If you did not have access to the individual saying to
43 you: "These are the hours I have worked" or something,
44 then you would do it to your best knowledge.
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46 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, that person was there on that day. It is
47 on page 329. It is the very last entry. It is a girl
48 called Pamela Madden.
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50 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes, very well.
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52 MR. MORRIS: Yes. The clock card now shows what you have
53 changed it to, but all I am saying is that if employees
54 work past their hours, then they are going to lose time,
55 are they not, if they have not clocked in and out. That is
56 all I am saying on that.
57 A. If an employee did not clock in or out, it is possible
58 they could have lost all their hours, you know, as in this
59 occasion and you are putting back hours that they would
60 have otherwise lost. It may or may not -----
