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     1        want to just stay at 50 per cent post-consumer.  We may
              decide we want to increase the levels of post-consumer
     2        content.  We would look for new items that have no
              content.
     3
              The first option is to try to increase post-consumer.  If
     4        that is not possible, we would then go to preconsumer.  In
              relative terms my thinking, in terms of the way we try to
     5        direct our activities, is to place on a scale of 1 to 10,
              I place a 9 on our emphasis on post-consumer; I place a 1
     6        or 2 on preconsumer; 1 or 2 being that it is better than
              zero, but it is not our emphasis.
     7
         Q.   But in, say, the 1980s, in the mid to late 1980s, would
     8        paper that would be described as recycled be, in general,
              a very great percentage of preconsumer rather than
     9        post-consumer?
              A.  Are you asking the question of McDonald's or of the
    10        industry in general?
 
    11   Q.   That McDonald's used in those days?
              A.  When we refer to recycle paper it would be a
    12        combination of both.
 
    13   Q.   But in general?
              A.  No, I would not say -- if you are asking would it
    14        predominate?  Of the items I mentioned earlier,
              historically, napkins, Happy Meal cartons, toilet tissue
    15        and pulp trays, I would gather to say, if I did
              calculations for you, I think it would end up close to
    16        50-50.  That would be my estimate.
 
    17   Q.   On corrugated boxes it was 50 per cent of 20 per cent, if
              you know what I mean; it was both?
    18        A.  Well, slow down for me right now.
 
    19   Q.   I am trying to see the general picture.  I think we
              discussed corrugated?
    20        A.  If I can just answer?
 
    21   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.  Let him say something.
              A.  First of all, I know we need to be making distinctions
    22        between consumer packaging and other types of packaging.
              So my examples earlier were consumer packaging.  I gave
    23        you those items and I gave you a rough estimation because
              pulp trays were pretty much 100 per cent preconsumer,
    24        napkins were -- the one supplier we had that I know of
              used 30 per cent post-consumer; toilet tissue was
    25        similar.  I would estimate 30 per cent post consumer;
              Happy Meal cartons traditionally, I would estimate one 
    26        third of the product back in the 80's was post-consumer. 
  
    27        So in my head, taking the relative volumes of that,
              I would say our average was close to 50 per cent for our
    28        consumer packaging, 40 to 50 per cent.
 
    29   MR. MORRIS:  I just thought you were giving figures of 10 per
              cent and 15 per cent?
    30        A.  Let me go on to that. In terms of transport packaging
              our corrugated boxes, I told you that I knew in 1990 the

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