Day 238 - 22 Apr 96 - Page 23
1 Government Official Organisation FUNAI.
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3 Q. I just want you to help with one thing, and it may be I
4 have completely misunderstood, but it did puzzle me when I
5 saw it. Have you got an index or key to the map? This is
6 produced by something called, have if got it right and
7 please correct me if I am wrong, and I do not speak
8 Portuguese, I am afraid, although maybe we should call it
9 Brazilian now. Is this produced by Povos Indigenas no Mato
10 Grosso do Sul?
11 A. It is produced by CEDI, as it says at the top here,
12 CEDI.
13
14 Q. The top of what?
15 A. If you look at the top of the key it says "CEDI
16 National Museum 1990".
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18 Q. You are quite right, yes. Did tell us what that was?
19 A. It is the Ecumenical Centre for Information and
20 Documentation.
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22 Q. It is a non-governmental organisation?
23 A. It is but this is in collaboration with the National
24 Museum which is obviously a Federal Institute.
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26 Q. On the second page of the key, have you got the key to the
27 map?
28 A. Yes.
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30 Q. This is a list on the second page, as on the first, of the
31 indigenous lands which are official recognised; is it not?
32 A. Yes.
33
34 Q. Whereas the last page are those which you not have been
35 able to have officially recognised at the time of this
36 document?
37 A. Yes.
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39 Q. Four up from the bottom is number 449 on the second page,
40 the land of the sete cerros?
41 A. Yes.
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43 Q. If I am right, the last column of municipality is given as
44 Coronel Sapucaia?
45 A. Yes.
46
47 Q. Have you got that big map still? Do you see Dourados due
48 south of Campo Grande?
49 A. Yes.
50
51 Q. And do you see Ponta Pora on the border with Paraguay?
52 A. Yes.
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54 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Can I just find these. Where do I go?
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56 MR. RAMPTON: Go to Dourados first please, and then go due west
57 to Ponta Pora on the border of Paraguay, and then,
58 Miss Watson, if you travel down the border, smack on the
59 border, you will find a place called Coronel Sapucaia?
60 A. Yes.
