Day 251 - 17 May 96 - Page 19
1 Placa de San Janero(?), it comes up through
2 Baradegayasis(?) and then goes all the way up, running
3 north. The whole of that river valley goes through
4 Baradegayasis, also it goes through the Banganal Island(?),
5 and all that region has had conflicts, a lot of conflict,
6 with peasant families, has had conflicts with the Indians,
7 and also was, when I first went there, an area of very
8 dense tropical forest.
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10 MR. MORRIS: So when you say 'that area' you are talking about
11 the area which is the river and its tributaries?
12 A. I am talking about the river and its tributaries.
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14 Q. On both sides, both in Goias State and in Mato Grosso?
15 A. Both in Goias State and in Mato Grosso.
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17 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Just pause a moment. You were telling me
18 something about what the land was like there?
19 A. Just while I notice, you are going to have some
20 difficulty because in Brazilian there are often two ways of
21 spelling, I just noticed, for example, that "Jussara" is
22 spelt one way by Braslo and is spelt a different way on our
23 map.
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25 Q. What is?
26 A. Jucara.
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28 Q. Can you spell that?
29 A. On the map it is spelt J-U-C cedilla A-R-A. It is the
30 place which lies on our map about an inch and a half east
31 of Baradagayasis.
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33 MR. MORRIS: It is on that main road that runs east-west just
34 north of Goiania and to the west of Goiania?
35 A. On the list sent by Braslo, it is the same place but it
36 is spelt with two S's which gives an identical
37 pronunciation. "Jew Sarah", J-U-S-S-A-R-A.
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39 Q. Is that all part of that river basin?
40 A. That is all part of the area that was opened up to
41 cattle ranching as a result of the tax incentive schemes
42 which came into effect in the 1970s. When I first went
43 there was an area of extremely dense humid tropical forest.
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45 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Just pause a moment. When was that?
46 A. That is the region that I visited a lot.
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48 Q. When you first went there?
49 A. When I first went there, my first trip was '71 or '72.
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51 Q. Which area are you actually talking about, because we were
52 up near San Miguel de Araguaia at one moment, now we are
53 down at Jucara. Which is the area you are saying was dense
54 humid tropical forest?
55 A. I travelled on the road which runs from
56 Baradegayasis.
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58 Q. Where is that?
59 A. That is on the Araguaia River.
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