Day 201 - 15 Dec 95 - Page 14


     
     1        brought up and Dr. Conet gave a statement on, which is that
     2        the packaging production is damaging to the environment.
     3        It is damaging because of the materials used in it, the
     4        processes used in making it, the disposal of it in terms of
     5        whether it is incineration or whether it ends up as environment/index.html">litter
     6        which eventually ends up being incinerated as well, of
     7        course, to a large extent, or dumped in gravel pits in the
     8        countryside.
     9
    10        So, I think it is only fair that the complete picture be
    11        allowed to be put, because it is the complete picture that
    12        is relevant.  Recycling, of course, is another part of the
    13        picture.
    14
    15   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.  I am not concerned about recycling,
    16        because I warn you that the context of recycling, as I see
    17        it, is in relation to environment/index.html">litter, but so long as there is some
    18        relationship which I can see with the leaflet, that is
    19        sufficient for your purposes at this moment.
    20
    21   MR. MORRIS:  Recycling is related to the damaging nature of
    22        packaging and production.
    23
    24   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You do not need to worry about recycling,
    25        because I can see a way of getting that in, putting it in
    26        ordinary language.  You can address me at the end that
    27        there are other ways as well, but all I need to see at the
    28        moment is a route whereby recycling is a valid issue.
    29
    30   MR. MORRIS:  Yes.  I think the specific reference to recycling,
    31        I never considered it in terms of environment/index.html">litter; I considered it
    32        in terms of the damaging nature of producing mountains of
    33        packaging materials, and that it is obviously of
    34        environmental benefit to not keep doing that if you can
    35        recycle existing materials.  In fact, I have never
    36        considered that that related to environment/index.html">litter.  I know it -----
    37
    38   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I am not going to engage in a discussion with
    39        you about that, because it is not necessary for the ruling
    40        I have to make today.
    41
    42   MR. MORRIS:  I would say that it is all part of the same
    43        picture, which is the production and disposal of packaging
    44        as an issue in the case.  It is part of what is referred to
    45        in the next sentence as the "major ecological catastrophe"
    46        which McDonald's and other corporations are contributing to
    47        and, therefore, it is a fundamental part of our case that
    48        is relevant and that we should be able to put the whole
    49        picture, not just, you know, bits and pieces of it.
    50 
    51   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Ms. Steel, do you want to say anything about 
    52        it? 
    53
    54   MS. STEEL:   No, thank you.
    55
    56   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I need not trouble you about it, Mr. Rampton,
    57        but if there is anything you think I have missed, I would
    58        be grateful if you would draw it to my attention.
    59
    60   MR. RAMPTON:  May I say this: as I understand what Rose L.J. was

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