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     1        organism or what?
     2
     3   MR. RAMPTON:  I will hide behind the rule that I am not allowed
     4        to give evidence, if may?
     5
     6   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I now Mr. Walker is not a medical expert, but
     7        he may have sufficient understanding just to give an answer
     8        about that in principle, and then it can be collected later
     9        if it is wrong.
    10
    11   MR. RAMPTON:  If he does not, Professor Jackson will do.
    12
    13   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Do you know?
    14        A.  It is a matter of concentration, sir, but I do qualify
    15        it by saying I am not medical.  But, if you have a high
    16        concentration of a specific organism, that will make you
    17        ill; whereas if you have a low concentration of a specific
    18        organism, the body's immune system will hold it and fight
    19        it.
    20
    21   MR. MORRIS:  Can I just say with regard to Mr. North's statement
    22        that he has asked us to point out, as was specified by
    23        McDonald's, he did not have access to documentation and
    24        also he was not allowed to visit any abattoirs.
    25
    26   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No.  I saw where he had gone.  If you still
    27        have a particular concern about -----
    28
    29   MR. MORRIS:  Just also the third point, of course, is that he
    30        was not allowed to visit a store during rushed periods.
    31
    32   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.  I do not think that concerns the point
    33        which is to be raised with Mr. Walker, but if you still
    34        have a concern about documentation which you think you
    35        ought to see, then of course raise that with Dr. Walker, if
    36        you think I have not taken on board some particular point
    37        you think you have on that.  But leave it there for the
    38        moment.
    39
    40   MR. RAMPTON:  I am sorry about this, but you will need to fish
    41        out some pale blue powder blue files marked "Defendants
    42        witnesses" or something -- volume 1B is the one you need.
    43        Can you turn, please, to section E?   My Lord, it should go
    44        behind Mr. North's first statement.
    45
    46        Can I ask you, because it does bear upon another statement
    47        made earlier by Mr. North, Mr. Walker, this briefly in
    48        passing:  So far as the question is concerned whether
    49        residues of antibiotics, hormone promoting drugs or
    50        pesticides in the flesh of animals may constitute a danger 
    51        to human health, what is your view about that question? 
    52        Can we take them separately  ----- 
    53        A.  Yes, I was thinking that through, sir.  There are
    54        certain hormones which I would not think were dangerous to
    55        human beings, but I certainly would think that chemical
    56        pesticides were dangerous to human beings.
    57
    58   Q.   You think they might be?
    59        A.  Yes.
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