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     1        specifically removed the fibre.
     2
     3        On the other hand meats, including poultry and dairy
     4        products and eggs, all animal products are zero fibre.  To
     5        put it another way, animal products never contain any
     6        fibre.  Virtually all animals products contain a very
     7        substantial amount of fat.  The very leanest beef is about
     8        30 per cent of its calories as fat; many times that in
     9        common vegetables or cereal grains.  A hamburger is well
    10        over half fat.
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    12   MR. MORRIS:  But is it possible for someone to have a high fat,
    13        high fibre diet theoretically?
    14        A.  Yes, it is theoretically possible if fat is added to
    15        vegetables or to grains.
    16
    17   Q.   Is that common, in your experience?
    18        A.  It is uncommon in international comparisons, but it is
    19        possible if a person takes vegetable matter and fries them
    20        or adds large amounts of vegetable oil or, for example,
    21        french fries, something like that, you can have something
    22        that contains fibre but has a lot of fat added to it.
    23
    24   Q.   Can we leave that colon cancer table?  I have not got the
    25        book in front of me.
    26
    27   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.  I will read this more thoroughly
    28        later, but, just looking at page 207, it says, "Protective
    29        effects have been found in two case-control studies that
    30        examined the relative risk for a high fat/low fibre
    31        diet".  It refers to Dales in 78, which is the only one
    32        which appears in the high fibre/low fat column, and
    33        Manousos and Others in 83, which appears in the vegetables
    34        column.
    35
    36        So, if we had a high fat/low fibre diet, high fat/low
    37        fibre column -- I want to make sure I have not
    38        misunderstood it because I am looking at it for the first
    39        time -- if we had a high fat/low fibre column, a minus
    40        would appear next to Dales and Manousos in that column; is
    41        that right?
    42        A.  If it were a high fat/low fibre column?
    43
    44   Q.   If there were a high fat/low fibre column, if there were a
    45        fifth column stuck on the end in the margin, does it
    46        follow, from the penultimate sentence of the paragraph
    47        above "Animal Studies" on page 207, that we would find a
    48        minus against Dales and a minus against Manousos?
    49        A.  Not from my reading, my Lord.
    50 
    51   Q.   What does that sentence mean to you:  "Protective effects 
    52        have been found in two case-control studies that examined 
    53        the relative risk for a high fat/low fibre diet"?
    54        A.  I am not sure.  I am having difficulty understanding
    55        what he is referring to by "protective effects" since he
    56        is talking about the earlier part of that paragraph.
    57
    58   Q.   Would that not be an inverse relationship or do you think
    59        it means something else?
    60        A.  I am not sure when he talks about protective effects;

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