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     1        been documented by a lot of psychologists and psychiatrists
     2        and it is a fact of nature.
     3
     4   Q.   It is an assumption that you are making?
     5        A.  No, I am not.  I am giving the facts that have been
     6        reported in the literature throughout extensive research.
     7
     8   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Do you want to take a short break there?  We
     9        are due for our break.  If you want to ask another question
    10        straightaway, do but otherwise we will take our short
    11        break.
    12
    13                       (Short Adjournment)
    14
    15   MS. STEEL:  Before we got side tracked into Mr. McDonald, I was
    16        asking about audits on slaughterhouses.  Do you actually
    17        keep checks of all the slaughterhouses that supply you or
    18        that supply your suppliers?
    19        A.  "Checks" -- can you clarify?
    20
    21   Q.   Audits?
    22        A.  Audits?
    23
    24   Q.   Yes.
    25        A.  In what sense, records you mean?
    26
    27   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No, you were asked what audits involved and
    28        you gave an example, going to a place with or without a
    29        list and looking to see that things were going right.  You
    30        are being asked if you do the same sort of thing with
    31        regard to slaughterhouses?
    32        A.  OK.  It will depend on the country.  So, it goes to
    33        their place, countries that we do, places that we do not,
    34        and the frequency will depend again on what we feel the
    35        priority should be.
    36
    37   MS. STEEL:  What about in the USA, for example?
    38        A.  Yes, we do.
    39
    40   Q.   In all the slaughterhouses that supply all your suppliers?
    41        A.  We have auditor.  I can give you an example of this
    42        year, ourself in co-ordination with our suppliers.
    43
    44   Q.   So you do not actually go there yourselves?
    45        A.  We do sometimes.  We do develop the audit forms.  We
    46        take advantage of our supplier resources.  We leverage
    47        those resources.  You have to understand there are hundreds
    48        of slaughterhouses in the US.  We do not have the resources
    49        alone.  We relied on our suppliers because they are also
    50        interested, and they are part of our partnership so we work 
    51        with them.  We work also with the trade associations.  We 
    52        have worked with their consultants to first develop the 
    53        audits, the audit form, the content of it, the verification
    54        process.  Then we relied on our supplier's resources and
    55        all the resources I mentioned before to audit every single
    56        slaughterhouse that we have in the US.
    57
    58   Q.   So you produce the form; you give it to your suppliers and
    59        you trust them to do the auditing for you?
    60        A.  Let me say it again.  We do that but I also mentioned

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