Day 275 - 08 Jul 96 - Page 35
1 anyway and would know his phone number if she wanted to
2 speak to him.
3
4 The comment lower down about "it was generally felt
5 that if he wished to change the subject of the public
6 meeting he should turn up at weekly meetings in person."
7 That was also a general view of people in the group, that
8 if somebody wanted to have input in a particular campaign,
9 or in a particular meeting or event, that they should
10 attend meetings and carry out whatever it was that they
11 wanted to do, that they cannot expect other people to run
12 around doing what they want them to do. Obviously, you
13 know, as a favour for someone you would bring something up
14 if they could not come to a meeting, but you would not be
15 -- but people would not just, you know, take instructions
16 from people who weren't willing to participate themselves.
17 I mean, they would not take instructions full stop, but in
18 particular they would not take instructions or act on any
19 suggestions from people who weren't at least sort of
20 willing to turn up and get involved in what their proposal
21 was.
22
23 Mr. Bishop says that "he has been looking to see who
24 actually runs the group and perhaps it is these two". I
25 think that is the first time -- I think that is the first
26 time -- he has seen me. So, I just think it is a
27 ridiculous statement. It is possible that because he
28 understood Anthony to be saying, or he thought that Anthony
29 had said, that myself and Dave were the signatories on the
30 bank account that he then assumed that we were in charge of
31 everything, which was not the case. We weren't in charge
32 of anything, nobody was in charge of anything. As I have
33 said, people got involved with what they wanted to get
34 involved with and did not have to get involved with the
35 things that they did not want to get involved with.
36
37 The next one is page 125. It is just that when
38 Mr. Bishop was giving evidence he said something about
39 -- well, he says in his notes about me looking at him and
40 he said something about being suspicious of him. This was
41 after I had seen Mr. Pocklington speaking to a man in a
42 pub, who then followed myself and New Zealand John home.
43 Well, actually, what happened was at a meeting, I think in
44 March -- it could have been early April -- we had been to
45 the pub and John had seen Mr. Pocklington speaking to a
46 man. John then went home, and on his way home he went into
47 a phone box and as he went in the phone box he turned
48 around and he saw the man who he had seen talking in the
49 pub to Anthony, who had obviously followed him home. He
50 then telephoned me and told me about this, and the
51 following week I took my camera with me to the meeting and
52 when we were in the pub then, the same man was there, John
53 pointed him out. I saw him speaking to Anthony, and I went
54 home. I went back with John with the intention of trying
55 to get a photograph of this person, which I did. He
56 followed us on to a housing estate and followed us around
57 the housing estate. So, obviously, by this time we were
58 suspicious about Anthony but, I mean, as far as we were
59 concerned we could not see any reason why anyone would want
60 to infiltrate the group. We did not have nobody who had
