Day 114 - 04 Apr 95 - Page 51


     
     1        give me -- you see, I think if it is that voltage, if it is
     2        that amperage, it would not be a mains voltage, I would
     3        think, but I just want clarification, please?
     4
     5   MS. STEEL:  I do not know, the voltage without a load was 134.2
     6        volts?
     7        A.  That would sound about right.  There is a bit of
     8        argument about the resistance of a pig's head, but at that
     9        amperage I would say that it would have to be accurately
    10        placed, if it is at that voltage, to give a stun beyond
    11        just paralysis, a temporary stun.  That would mean that the
    12        pig would have very soon afterwards to have its throat cut.
    13
    14   MR. MORRIS:  Apart from a quick look over the international
    15        scene, I think we have dealt with most matters.  There was
    16        one question you could answer while I am doing that.  Some
    17        of McDonald's witnesses have averred that the fact that
    18        animals in their care or control or in their suppliers'
    19        control eat or, in the case of poultry, lay eggs, that is a
    20        sign they must be happy.  What is your view about that
    21        whole area of opinion?
    22        A.  That does not tie up at all.  Many fat, apparently over
    23        fed, human beings are very unhappy.  Some people and
    24        animals eat because they are unhappy.
    25
    26   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What is your basis that animals eat because
    27        they are unhappy?
    28        A.  Because there is nothing much else for them to do.
    29
    30   Q.   I understand that, but what is the basis for saying they
    31        they eat because they are unhappy?
    32        A.  Because they, as I say, they have little else to play
    33        with, little else to do.  It is offered to them.  It is
    34        very often tasty and they fall victim to the vices that
    35        many of us do, that if it is tasty -- with pigs, for
    36        instance, particularly, if you put sweet things in the feed
    37        it is like putting sweet things in food for human beings.
    38        They will tend to eat a lot of it.  It will overcome their
    39        natural appetite, regulation, if you like.  You have to
    40        remember that while they are eating these feeds, they are
    41        stepped up very much with protein so that they their growth
    42        is abnormal, as illustrated particularly with cattle.
    43
    44   MR. MORRIS:  You have the international evidence, or alleged
    45        evidence, that was provided to the Defendants, yes?
    46        A.  Yes.
    47
    48   Q.   About the conditions of animals; you wanted to go through
    49        it, is that correct?
    50        A.  Well, you gave me this evidence and I suggested that 
    51        you wanted me to assess it. 
    52 
    53   Q.   Yes, OK.
    54
    55   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  The last thing in the world I want you to do
    56        is assess the evidence because that is my job alone.  I am
    57        not criticising you, Dr. Long, because you may have been
    58        asked to do something which it is not really yours to do.
    59        What I would most be interested in is your own experience
    60        of what happens in other countries in so far as it is

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