Day 056 - 28 Nov 94 - Page 43


     
     1        you find that my .96 square miles becomes 1.42 square miles
     2        in total, which is very close to the figure that
     3        Mr. Kouchoukos produced when he arrived on his formula at
     4        1.46 square miles for the equivalent quantity of packaging
     5        material.
     6
     7   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  So, you think Mr. Kouchoukos was actually not
     8        just dealing with clearfelling but thinning as well?
     9        A.  Yes, I have to assume that but he worked a different
    10        way.
    11
    12   MR. RAMPTON:  I am sorry, I did not mean to interrupt.   I can
    13        remind your Lordship how he did it; he started at the other
    14        end with the total volume of packaging and then simply
    15        worked it back so as to produce a figurative or
    16        suppositious area.
    17
    18   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.  This is completely putting on one side
    19        for the moment what you say (which may or may not be at
    20        issue with what Mr. Hopkins says) about regeneration of the
    21        areas which have been either clearfelled or thinned with
    22        replanting, in so far as that takes place in clearfelled
    23        areas, and with improved growth in so far as that occurs in
    24        thinned areas?
    25        A.  That is right.
    26
    27   Q.   So when you do your arithmetic, you are putting out of your
    28        mind and completely on one side any consideration of
    29        regeneration?
    30        A.  Of the future.  Yes, I am just simply taking what area
    31        of forest might be needed in a given practical situation to
    32        provide all the fibre that is needed for the packaging for
    33        McDonald's in Europe.
    34
    35   Q.   Those are gross areas, are they, in the sense that not all
    36        that area goes to pulp; a lot of it may go to sawmills?
    37        A.  Yes.
    38
    39   Q.   To turn into timber products of one kind or another which
    40        does not end up as packaging?
    41        A.  That is right.
    42
    43   Q.   But you have not said where we clear cut only 20 per cent,
    44        say, of the timber taken from that area will go to
    45        packaging, so we will divide the area by five; you have
    46        taken the gross area?
    47        A.  I have taken the gross area of the clearfelled
    48        contribution on the basis that that took that out of
    49        forestry short-term.  But I would accept entirely that if
    50        we are taking gross area completely, we should put in the 
    51        thinning area as well and, if we do, it comes to a total of 
    52        1.42 square miles --- 
    53
    54   Q.   Yes, I understand that.
    55        A.  -- which is close to the figure Mr. Kouchoukos used
    56        when he started from a totally different basis of
    57        calculation.
    58
    59   Q.   Can I just make sure I have understood?  I understand that
    60        the area clearfelled of 17.8 hectares.

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