Day 007 - 06 Jul 94 - Page 64


     
     1        packaging is recycled or incinerated, as far as you know?
              A.  I do not know because I do not know -----
     2
         Q.   Would you hazard a guess?  Is it in one or two per cent or
     3        is it 40 or 50 per cent?
              A.  I could not even venture a guess.
     4
         Q.   Has not Perseco ever studied this problem?
     5        A.  Not that I am aware of.  We have not tried to
              understand how much goes to which incinerators or anything
     6        like that, no.
 
     7   Q.   But you said you are concerned about the environment?
              A.  Well, but I am not a disposal expert.  The service
     8        I provide is packaging design.
 
     9   Q.   You said you study it from the whole cycle, from the
              beginning to the end?
    10        A.  So we would try to make it more recyclable and we
              would try to source reduce it so there is less to recycle,
    11        if you had to recycle it.  So our focus would be in the
              packaging design would be -----
    12
         Q.   But you said that you would take into consideration, would
    13        you not, environmental performance as one of your four
              criteria for your packaging.  So, whether something is
    14        incinerated or not would be one of the considerations,
              would it not, in using a particular type of packaging?
    15        A.  We would try to design a packaging that would have the
              least impact if it was incinerated.  For instance, we have
    16        kept a quite close eye on use of heavy metal pigment so it
              did not pollute the air.
    17
         Q.   But if it is not incinerated, then that would have an
    18        influence, would it not, on what you use for your
              packaging?  You would be worried, would you not, about the
    19        damage it might do to the environment?
              A.  I am sorry, I lost your question there -- I am
    20        confused.
 
    21   Q.   Is it not true that you are saying that you design your
              packaging bearing in mind what would happen to it if it
    22        was incinerated?
              A.  OK.
    23
         Q.   Let us assume, for the sake of argument, 50 per cent -- it
    24        could be 10 per cent, it could be 90 per cent, I do not
              know -- is not incinerated?
    25        A.  Is not?  OK.
  
    26   Q.   Let us just assume that.  So, for the other 50 per cent, 
              it is going to be lying around, un-biodegradable for 
    27        thousands of years?
              A.  I do not know how long it would lie there.
    28
         Q.   If it is not biodegradable it lasts for ever, does it not?
    29        A.  No.  I mean, the coliseum in Rome does not appear that
              it will last forever and it is not biodegradable.  I mean,
    30        there is erosion that will occur, and it is not the only
              means of degradation but certainly -----

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