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1 back and is re-examined by Mr. Rampton, if he does not know
2 any more by then, there we are. If he does know something
3 more which is admissible, he says it in re-examination,
4 query, whether then you are able to cross-examine on that
5 or whether your opportunity has passed. If he gets the
6 information first or is allowed to enquire to see whether
7 he can get information, you get such answer as you got
8 while you are cross-examining, you can pursue
9 cross-examination.
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11 Do you understand what the disadvantage might be from your
12 own point of view?
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14 MS. STEEL: What I do not understand is that -- well, I did not
15 think that the parties could tell witnesses what to say.
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17 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No, I do not think there has been any
18 suggestion of that.
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20 MS. STEEL: It just seems that is what is being suggested; they
21 are going to look up some information and give it to
22 Mr. Hawkes and make him be in a position where they can ask
23 a question.
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25 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No. As I understand it, Mr. Hawkes --
26 Mr. Rampton will correct me if I am wrong -- when he comes
27 to say anything further in due course, Mr. Hawkes being
28 presented with a copy of the documentation, will make such
29 enquiries as he feels able to, to inform himself about
30 matters upon which he is not at the moment informed.
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32 MR. MORRIS: I do not understand what the issue is either,
33 because there has been some suggestion that the MORI survey
34 by Sue Dibb may be somehow bogus, is invented or something,
35 the National Food Alliance comprises, which is backed by
36 dozens of -- I will not go into that because it is beneath
37 my dignity to do so -- he saying he is making something up,
38 in which case he should put it to the witness. If it is
39 something she has knowledge of, she has had meetings with
40 the ITC, then Mr. Hawkes is not going to know any
41 difference anyway, because she was there and he was not.
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43 MR. JUSTICE BELL: On what basis can she say what someone at the
44 ITC told her?
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46 MS. STEEL: She is an expert on advertising.
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48 MR. JUSTICE BELL: On what basis can she -- it sounds like
49 hearsay to me.
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51 MR. MORRIS: Yes, well, if it is hearsay, then the normal
52 position will apply. I do not know, he seems to be making
53 a massive fuss about that.
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55 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I do not know. You see, at the moment for
56 all I know, I do not know whether there will be issues or
57 once he has made his enquiry you will find there is a level
58 of agreement. You see, the argument at the moment you are
59 putting forward seems to be on the assumption (which may or
60 may not be right) that the information, in so far as it is
