Day 129 - 25 May 95 - Page 19


     
     1        be important to indicate to crew the importance of safety,
     2        if they were made aware that they were going to be marked
     3        on whether they were actually carrying out the procedures
     4        of cooking etc. in a safe manner?
     5        A.  Well, it is certainly one way that you could argue that
     6        we could get across the safety message; whether it actually
     7        made any difference or not, I do not know, and I think it
     8        would be something that, I suppose, could be measured.
     9        But, talking about it hypothetically, I do not know whether
    10        it would make any difference because they get safety
    11        mentioned to them in the different ways that they do
    12        already.
    13
    14   Q.   Why then is it thought important to have hustle?  Hustle is
    15        used, hustle is always used, on many of these forms.
    16        A.  Well, if you remember, the definition of "hustle" is
    17        safe and proper use of the three Cs, so in putting it on
    18        there we are putting in a definition including safety
    19        anyway.
    20
    21   Q.   You think it is more important that crew are working at
    22        speed than -----
    23        A.  Remember the definition of "hustle" now is safe and
    24        proper use of the three Cs, and those three Cs is team
    25        work, so it is safe and proper team work.
    26
    27   Q.   On paper?
    28        A.  Well, that is what they are taught.  Andrew Foster
    29        found that when he spoke to crew members, when the HSE did
    30        their assessment, that they knew what the definition of
    31        "hustle" was.  I have no doubt they still know now, even
    32        though we have changed the definition, they are still
    33        taught in the same way, so there is no reason why they
    34        still should not all know exactly what it is.
    35
    36   Q.   I think I have just one other question for now.  The health
    37        and safety video that you show:  There is a separate health
    38        and safety video that is shown to crew members, is there,
    39        or is it just part of the orientation one?
    40        A.  I believe there is a separate one.
    41
    42   Q.   Is that an American one or is that an English one?
    43        A.  It is one that we took from America and we changed it
    44        slightly so it did not contradict any of the legislation
    45        here.
    46
    47   Q.   Right.  But is it acted out by people with American accents
    48        or is it -----
    49        A.  No, we had it dubbed.  It is dubbed by English actors.
    50        It seemed pointless just going and making a new video when 
    51        the American one was perfectly acceptable, apart from one 
    52        or two bits to do with their legislation that was different 
    53        than ours, and so we had it dubbed with English accents.
    54
    55   MS. STEEL:  I watched the health and safety video last night
    56        (and I have my video fixed now, fortunately) and the one
    57        that I have is American.  I do not know whether it -----
    58
    59   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Have you got it with you now?
    60

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