Day 205 - 17 Jan 96 - Page 26


     
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     2   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I am not asking you, Mr. Rampton.
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     4   MR. RAMPTON:  I am sorry.
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     6   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I am asking Mr. Morris.  He has addressed me
     7        on 3 to 10.  I want to know what ---
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     9   MR. MORRIS:  I am sorry.
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    11   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  -- 4 to 10, rather, what he says about 11.
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    13   MR. MORRIS:  They should answer the interrogatory.
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    15   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Right.
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    17   MR. MORRIS:  Is there anything else I need to say about it? I do
    18        not know.
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    20   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Wait and see.  I need not trouble you on 1, 2
    21        or 3, Mr. Rampton.  What do you say about 4 to 10?
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    23   MR. RAMPTON:  4 to 10 have already been answered by Mr. Stein.
    24        If he answered an interrogatory, that is all he could do.
    25        His statement is in exactly the form in which habitually an
    26        officer of a Company who is required to answer an
    27        interrogatory would put his answer.  He has made the
    28        necessary enquiries which he is required to do by law.  If
    29        Mr. Morris wants to use the telephone to speak to
    30        franchisees or Labour Department officials in the United
    31        States, that is his good right.  But there is absolutely no
    32        reason on earth why Mr. Stein should do more than look
    33        within his own Company, which is what he has done, as he
    34        says in his statement, and try to find the answer.
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    36        If he knows nothing and they have no record of it, I do
    37        not, with respect, see what earthly good it would do except
    38        to waste Mr. Stein's time and a bit more of our money to
    39        get him to swear to the answer that he has already given in
    40        his statement.
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    42   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What about No. 11?
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    44   MR. RAMPTON:  No. 11, I accept by some oversight, has not been
    45        dealt with by Mr. Stein in his statement.  I believe,
    46        although this is from memory -- I have not got it in front
    47        of me -- I believe that is taken from some kind of
    48        Congressional hearing, whether it is the one that
    49        Mr. Morris has just served or not, I do not know.  I
    50        believe we ought to deal with that and we will attend to 
    51        that. 
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    53   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  How do you suggest it should be dealt with?
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    55   MR. RAMPTON:  In exactly the same way as we dealt with the other
    56        ones, by a further statement from Mr. Stein.  He is the
    57        person who is in a position to know whether it is true or
    58        false.  It is not, as your Lordship said in making the
    59        ruling on the proposed amendments, something which gives
    60        rise to any discovery, which is one reason your Lordship

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