Day 254 - 22 May 96 - Page 28


     
     1   MS. STEEL:   Can you tell from the report itself whether those
     2        quintiles have a very great difference between them or not?
     3        A.  I have to confess I find it quite difficult to know
     4        because they emphasise the intake being less than 20 per
     5        cent.
     6
     7   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Where do you get that?
     8        A.  If you look at page 356, my Lord, on the abstract, in
     9        the conclusions they point out ----
    10
    11   Q.   Yes.
    12
    13   MR. MORRIS:  That might have been only 3 or 4 people for all we
    14        know.
    15        A.  No, because they actually give more data about details
    16        about that.
    17
    18   MS. STEEL:   I was going to say that that is in relation to the
    19        energy from fat table and not the one about energy adjusted
    20        nutrients intake?
    21        A.  What they have tried to do there is to relate fat to
    22        the total energy intake, and so the quintile No. 1 is 20
    23        per cent.
    24
    25   Q.   How can you draw that conclusion?
    26
    27   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Is that necessarily so, because let us accept
    28        some of the people in the quintile 1 had an energy intake
    29        from fat which was less than 20 per cent of total energy
    30        intake, otherwise they would not be able to write what they
    31        did in the conclusion in the abstract, it does not mean
    32        that all people in that quintile were less, does it,
    33        because they have actually looked back at the raw
    34        information and even though there may have been, for
    35        instance, 200 women or 500 women who had less than 20 per
    36        cent, but that would still be considerably less than the
    37        quintile?
    38        A.  Yes.
    39
    40   Q.   If you have nearly 5,000 of them altogether.
    41        A.  If we can go on to page 360, there is a figure 1 there
    42        where they have actually divided the numbers into greater
    43        groups.  You can see that those having less than 20 per
    44        cent are 84, 20 to 25, 278, 25 to 30, 824, and so on.
    45
    46   Q.   Yes, I see.
    47
    48   MS. STEEL:   But the point is that that is about the percentage
    49        of energy from fat whereas this one is about the energy
    50        adjusted nutrient intake? 
    51        A.  But in fact what they are trying to say is that in the 
    52        energy nutrients intake they are trying to relate the 
    53        percentage of calories coming from fat, that is the ratio
    54        of energy -- it is a different method of expressing it,
    55        I agree -- the ratio of energy from total fat intake to
    56        total energy intake, so it is a proportion that they are
    57        describing in table 2, and they have made the point that
    58        they have done that because this is the formulation often
    59        used to make dietary recommendations, but the only place in
    60        which they accurately state the way in which they have

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