Day 119 - 02 May 95 - Page 57


     
     1        I think it is also done on crew; I am sure it is.
     2
     3   Q.   That would apply also to the reasons for sacking people,
     4        would it?
     5        A.  Yes.
     6
     7   MR. MORRIS:  Can we make a formal application for those
     8        statistics or trends?
     9
    10   MR. RAMPTON:  I do not at the moment see any relevance to them
    11        at all.  It needs to be argued properly and reason given
    12        why we should disclose such things, if they do exist.
    13
    14   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If Mr. Rampton is taking the stand that it is
    15        not relevant, then I have to have an argument about it and
    16        decide on the matter.  Let us see how we go with
    17        Mr. Nicholson's cross-examination and see whether we have
    18        any time at the end of the week to deal with it.  I see you
    19        making a note in your book.
    20
    21   MR. MORRIS:  Yes.  I am trying to remember everything, but I
    22        have missed quite a lot out.
    23
    24   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If you are writing them down you will be able
    25        to -- it looks as if it is important to deal with it
    26        comfortably before Miss or Mrs. Mead gives her evidence.
    27        She starts on Monday, 12th June, according to the present
    28        schedule.
    29
    30   MR. MORRIS:  Do you happen to remember or know what the reasons
    31        are for people, what the main reasons are for people
    32        leaving, saying why they are leaving the Company?
    33        A.  No.
    34
    35   Q.   Do you happen to know what the main reasons given by the
    36        Company are for people being sacked?
    37
    38   MR. RAMPTON:  I am sorry, I am afraid I must intervene again.
    39        I should have said -- Mr. Morris ought to understand that I
    40        am making an objection to his line of question -- even if
    41        Mr. Nicholson knew the answers to those questions, it would
    42        not constitute admissible evidence.
    43
    44   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If, for instance, enquiries are being carried
    45        out to Mr. Nicholson's satisfaction which disclose that the
    46        reason for leaving was to move to better remunerated
    47        employment, might that not be relevant and admissible?
    48
    49   MR. RAMPTON:  It might be relevant if it were admissible, but it
    50        would be hearsay. 
    51 
    52   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I do not know.  It depends in the form it is 
    53        accumulated.  If it was accumulated in a form from which
    54        the inference could be drawn that the UK Company accepted
    55        that that was the reason, then it would be admissible.  You
    56        see, at the moment we do not know how the enquiries were
    57        carried out and what form they took.
    58
    59   MR. RAMPTON:  If it is just a record of the reasons people gave
    60        which are no more reliable than anything else which is at

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