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     2   MR. RAMPTON:  I would add only this, my Lord, the amendment of
     3        1978 does provide a sanction in this form, that it provides
     4        for inspection by government inspection, and for the
     5        withdrawal or refusal of the inspection facility if the
     6        slaughtering and handling facilities are not deemed to be
     7        humane.
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     9   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It may be.  It may well be that there is
    10        legislation, as one might well expect, in a country like
    11        the United States with a very large agricultural industry
    12        for inspection of livestock conditions on farms, but I just
    13        do not have ---
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    15   MR. RAMPTON:  We do not have that particular amendment.
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    17   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  -- that in front of me.  Anyway, I suggest
    18        you carry on, Mr. Morris.  If anything is produced in the
    19        future, you can cross-examine someone about it.
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    21   MS. STEEL (To the witness):  You said you do not know whether
    22        your department has a copy of this Act in it?
    23        A.  That is correct.
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    25   Q.   If you do not know whether you have a copy, how do you
    26        ensure that your suppliers are complying with what the Act
    27        is?
    28        A.  How do we ensure?  We have, well, first of all, when
    29        I going through school, we went through the whole book, if
    30        I can call it that.  I understand the intent, and I am well
    31        aware of some of the very important details that are
    32        included in the Act, our suppliers too.  I cannot read you
    33        the whole book now, but I can tell you the intent of the
    34        law.  Based on that, based on my experience and based on
    35        what I see on the field with our suppliers and the work
    36        that I have done with them, that is how I ensure and by
    37        looking at the product, that is how I know.
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    39   Q.   You are relying on your memory?
    40        A.  I rely -- I am relying on my understanding of the
    41        intent as well as my memory, that is correct.
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    43   MR. MORRIS:  You have never sent copies of these documents out
    44        to suppliers or anything like that?
    45        A.  No, no.
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    47   Q.   Saying:  "This is our policy, adhere to it"?
    48        A.  Which is what?
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    50   Q.   Saying:  "This is our policy, adhere to it"? 
    51        A.  It is your policy, I am sorry? 
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    53   Q.   Sorry, you are saying this is your policy, effectively.
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    55   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I am not sure they are because that is not
    56        actually a copy of the Act, in fact.  There is a copy of
    57        the 58 Act and some notes of the effect of the 1978 Act on
    58        it.  It is not suggested this has come from his department
    59        in any event.
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