Day 058 - 30 Nov 94 - Page 59


     
     1        middle of page 19.  I am just focusing on particular
     2        aspects of the implication that early generations had
     3        different National Policy demands and early generation of
     4        foresters.  So is that recognising that past brand
     5        practices now would not be allowed?
     6        A.  Yes, I think it is going back to the points we made
     7        very early on and I think you agreed, that in the two
     8        postwar periods the policy demands of government and of the
     9        nation were essentially to plant as many trees as possible
    10        to restore the stock of a natural resource.  In the case of
    11        Finland it was actually for reparations that they owed to
    12        the Russians.
    13
    14   Q.   Those trees that were planted postwar are now the ones that
    15        are being past it or will be in the next 10 or 15 years?
    16        A.  Yes, and replaced.
    17
    18   Q.   Just moving on to recycling, page 20.  Is forestry
    19        subsidised, government subsidies and grants?
    20        A.  Are you talking of this country?
    21
    22   Q.   Well, let us say this country.
    23        A.  In the case of this country it is subsidised in that
    24        planting grants are now paid to encourage the right kinds
    25        of environmental and economic planting.
    26
    27   Q.   The paragraph, "There is nothing new about recycling," the
    28        fourth paragraph down, so 55 per cent of our paper usage
    29        contained, including newsprint and packaging, recycled
    30        material 10 years ago.  Would that have applied 20 years
    31        ago?
    32        A.  No.
    33
    34   Q.   Would you happen to know?
    35        A.  I do not know because this is not my area of knowledge,
    36        but certainly it did not suddenly achieve 55 per cent.  It
    37        is now over 60 per cent for all paper and packaging I am
    38        advised.
    39
    40   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You say it contain recycled material from
    41        which I deduced you did not mean that about 55 per cent of
    42        the paper we use a decade or more ago was recycled
    43        material, but that it contains some recycled material or
    44        did you mean the former?
    45        A.  My Lord, as I believe the case to be, and again I would
    46        defer to other expert people on this, that you cannot put
    47        more than a certain percentage of recycled paper into a
    48        product without it being in danger of being unsuitable.  In
    49        certain cases you can have 100 per cent recycled paper, but
    50        in many cases it is 25, 35, 45 per cent recycled.  I just 
    51        therefore used the word "contained". 
    52 
    53   Q.   55 per cent of it has come proportion of recycled material?
    54        A.  Has some proportion whatever was appropriate to the
    55        product.
    56
    57   MR. MORRIS:  Ten years ago as much as 35 per cent of the total
    58        paper tonnage was recovered, so really the basis was there
    59        10 years ago for a quite substantial recycling industry; in
    60        fact it was already functioning.

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