Day 291 - 31 Oct 96 - Page 35
1 paper to live their lives?" Answer, "In my opinion it is
2 humane, yes."
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4 Some of the practices at Sun Valley were looked into in
5 more detail over the coming pages and it was clear that
6 McDonald's was either reckless as not to know about them or
7 completely indifferent to the fact that they were
8 happening. He had never visited any pig farms or beef
9 farms, that was on page 35. Question, "Has anyone else in
10 your department?" Answer,"I would not expect them to have
11 done so, only out of their own curiosity, really." That is
12 what what he said.
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14 This is all about whether any there is effective monitoring
15 or interest from McDonald's about animal welfare. They
16 never asked them to stock the birds less densely, page 39.
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18 It is an interesting part on page 39, incidentally, about
19 petro-agro-chemicals used by Howard Long, the lettuce
20 suppliers, bottom of page 39. It says, "Our finished
21 product specifications would not include animal welfare."
22 He talks about goads on page 40 -- "No, they should not be
23 using goads." Some of McKeys suppliers. McKey had not
24 told him that some of their suppliers were using goads. So
25 he was relying on the suppliers to impose any relevant
26 concerns of McDonald's, or just generally to be concerned
27 about animal welfare, but he was not being informed of
28 virtually the one thing which seemed to be emanating from
29 McDonald's as a concern, which was the use of goads, and he
30 had not been informed about it. So we cannot really trust
31 the suppliers, which was their one line of defence.
32 He said on page 41, if one of the abattoirs was using goads
33 he would expect McKey to stop it. And on page 42, he said,
34 "They have never looked into employing anybody at all to
35 specifically look after animal welfare."
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37 That is Kenny. I have just got to find Mr. Oakley on
38 animals. (Pause) Regarding Mr. Oakley on animals, he is on
39 day 61, pages 39 to 54, also including pages 61, 63 and
40 65. That is some of the more relevant matters on whether
41 McDonald's have a policy, whether there was any
42 monitoring. He was asked on page 39, day 61, "So your
43 animal welfare policy is in fact just a policy to comply
44 with the laws of the various countries in which you
45 operate?" Answer, "That is correct." He says on page 42,
46 "The way McDonald's would get involved in terms of animal
47 welfare is through the quality assurance department." That
48 is the one that Mr. Kenny stated there was no one employed
49 for that purpose specifically. "And the unannounced visits
50 they would make to check what is happening in the supply
51 chain."
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53 And talked about Barbara Crawford visiting Sun Valley
54 monthly, or something. "Why does she visit them?" Answer,
55 "I think from a quality point of view which is what she is
56 really responsible for." They had had problems with bone
57 complaints and foreign bodies, and so on. Page 43, near
58 the top of the page. "When she is at Sun Valley, she does
59 go to the farms from time to time?" "Not that frequently,
60 she is not required to. She is really concerned with the
