Day 134 - 13 Jun 95 - Page 15


     
     1   Q.   5.57 stay between one and two months and 3.26 stay between
     2        two and three months etc. up to 10 years and over.  This
     3        picture that is put down here, is that, so far as you are
     4        aware, something that has remained constant for the
     5        last -- how long have you been in the Personnel Department?
     6        A.  I have been in what is now the Human Resources
     7        Department since 1985.
     8
     9   Q.   1985.  Bearing in mind that you have claimed that the
    10        turnover rate in 1990 was something like 190, 196, I think
    11        it was, per cent, now you are saying it is 112, 120 or
    12        something per cent, so this chart in front of us, has the
    13        length of service over those years increased or stayed
    14        constant or what?
    15
    16   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Might I suggest you put it another way?  At a
    17        quick reckoning, something like 56 per cent of the
    18        employees have worked for less than a year, it may be a
    19        year or less, because "12 months" appears in two
    20        categories?
    21        A.  Yes.
    22
    23   Q.   If turnover rate has decreased -- and that is the quarter
    24        ending on 31st March 1995 -- if between 1990 and 1995 the
    25        turnover rate has reduced significantly, would you expect
    26        that in 1990 the numbers who had been in service for 12
    27        months or less would have been significantly greater?
    28        A.  Would I expect that the numbers who have been in post
    29        for more than 12 months?
    30
    31   MR. MORRIS:  No, less.
    32        A.  Less than 12 months would have been greater in 1990?
    33
    34   MR. MORRIS:  Yes.
    35
    36   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.  If you cannot say, say so, but do you
    37        think that would follow, that if the turnover rate, that
    38        is, the annualised turnover rate, the turnover rate for a
    39        12 months period, has decreased significantly over that
    40        five years, would you expect that if one had an equivalent
    41        to the third sheet of E for a 1990 quarter there would be a
    42        greater percentage who had served for less than 12 months?
    43        A.  Perhaps, but in thinking about it at this stage I think
    44        it would mainly be to do with the number of current
    45        employees and the number of people who had started and left
    46        during the time.  I think those would be the key things
    47        rather than necessarily the period of service, although
    48        I appreciate that the period of it being a year would be
    49        relevant to that.
    50 
    51   MR. MORRIS:  Yes, but if there is a greater turnover rate it 
    52        means that people are staying less time overall; is that 
    53        correct?
    54        A.  Certainly turnover means that when people leave so in
    55        terms of which people they are, there could be several
    56        people who stay for short periods or they .....
    57
    58   Q.   Right, but the bulk of the -----
    59
    60   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What is being put to you is that more than

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