Day 016 - 22 Jul 94 - Page 65


     
     1   Q.   So more would be sold, yes?
              A.  Well, maybe.
     2
         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You, presumably, make the colour of your
     3        chips attractive so you can sell more french fries?
              A.  Yes, if it is a nasty colour, you are going to put
     4        people off.
 
     5   MS. STEEL:  How about the thick shakes?
              A.  Well, I think the same comment would apply.
     6
         Q.   The thick shakes, do you know, have they got, is it about
     7        ten tea spoons of sugar in them?
              A.  Without doing a calculation, I could not tell you, but
     8        what I would emphasise is that a substantial proportion of
              that would be milk/sugar which is lactose.
     9
         Q.   Is there not quite a considerable amount of added sugar?
    10        A.  There is a certain amount of added sugar, yes.  Again
              it is all in the information that is provided.
    11
         Q.   It appears from the ingredient list that sugar is a major
    12        part of thick shakes?
              A.  If I can just comment on that -- it contains, the milk
    13        shake base contains skimmed milk, concentrated skimmed
              milk, sugar and glucose syrup.  So the skimmed milk and
    14        the concentrated skimmed milk will contain milk sugar.
              The sugar, presumably that would be would be a form of
    15        intrinsic sugar, and the glucose syrup would be as well.
              I do not know what the relative ratios would be of those.
    16        All I am saying is that a substantial proportion of the
              sugar would be the lactose from milk.
    17
         Q.   Then there is more sugar in the syrup?
    18        A.  Yes, there is.  I agree.
 
    19   Q.   At any rate, there is quite a lot of sugar in the milk
              shake, so McDonald's is adding colouring to a milk shake
    20        to encourage people to drink more of them, and it is
              something with a high sugar content.  Is that something
    21        that is particularly advisable?  From the point of view of
              a nutritionist, is that something that is a good idea to
    22        promote something that has a lot of sugar added?
              A.  I think it is irrelevant really in the way in which we
    23        are looking at it, because people have got the information
              if they want to consider it.  It is something they need to
    24        take into consideration if they are trying to conform to
              the dietary guidelines.  Milk shake is another food.  If
    25        you have a fair amount of sugar in there, then you need to
              be careful with the sugar you are getting from other 
    26        food.  There is nothing specifically about the milk shake 
              one could condemn, in my view. 
    27
         MR. MORRIS:  Just to move on to something else, how would you
    28        define the word "nutritious"?
              A.  Where were you referring to in the documents now?
    29
         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  He is just asking a general question.
    30
         MR. MORRIS:  How do you define the word "nutritious"?

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