Day 085 - 08 Feb 95 - Page 42


     
     1        unsympathetic but we have days when we go along quite
     2        reasonably so far as speed is concerned and we have other
     3        days where (and it does not appear on the transcript) we
     4        have enormously long gaps between questions.  I understand
     5        if you say you have lost your train of thought or you want
     6        time to collect your thoughts and so on.  But if we are in
     7        that sort of situation and we are investigating a document,
     8        I want to know why.
     9
    10        I am making, quite apart from what is on Case View, notes
    11        in my notebook because they help me, and I want to know
    12        whether it is worth putting pen to paper or I am just
    13        filling up more paper which I am going to have to read at
    14        the end of the day.  I understand that you want to know
    15        what appendix 2 means.  You have had it explained that it
    16        is the temperature front to back on the grill plate.  Where
    17        are we going from there?
    18
    19   MS. STEEL:   The witness said something about that he would not
    20        expect it to be that temperature later on in the day.  What
    21        I am trying to understand is what these represent.
    22
    23   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think he has explained that to you, has he
    24        not?  Go on and ask further questions but it helps me
    25        always, as on a number of occasions I have tried to say,
    26        you just tell me where we are going.
    27
    28   MS. STEEL:   At the moment I am trying to understand what this
    29        calibration check list represents.
    30
    31   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Are you going to be suggesting at the end of
    32        the day that the temperatures are too low, for instance?
    33        That is what I need to know.
    34
    35   MS. STEEL:  Yes.
    36
    37   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What temperatures are you suggesting should
    38        be there?
    39
    40   MS. STEEL:  Mr. Clark makes a suggestion.
    41
    42   MR. RAMPTON:  No, my Lord, he does not.
    43
    44   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Can you point me to that?
    45
    46   MS. STEEL:  Actually he does.
    47
    48   MR. MORRIS:  Mr. Clark recommends that 73 degrees be the
    49        internal minimum temperature of the final product, and that
    50        their temperatures were not reaching that in all cases. 
    51        The minimum was, in fact, 70.  He asked them to review 
    52        their time and temperature conditions applied to meat 
    53        patties.  This is their own expert.  In order for us to see
    54        whether he is correct, exactly where the problem lies with
    55        the time and temperature conditions, we have to identify
    56        what the actual reality is, not just what the Plaintiffs
    57        are saying in their statement but, in reality, what the
    58        documents show the actual cooking times and temperatures
    59        really are.
    60

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