Day 142 - 26 Jun 95 - Page 35


     
     1   Q.   According to Michael Thorell, you paid for employees 18
     2        years of age and above -- it is in his statement so it can
     3        be checked -- you paid ---
     4        A.  Whatever Mr. Thorell would say ------
     5
     6   Q.   -- one krona per hour -- sorry, the agreement was 49.20 and
     7        you paid 50.20.  So, effectively, you paid something like
     8        two per cent above the minimum wage for that industry?
     9        A.  OK.  No, my understanding is (and I am not an expert so
    10        you really need to get someone who is a greater expert on
    11        wages in Denmark or in Europe), but my understanding is
    12        that when the wage set in those agreements, the vast
    13        majority of employers pay exactly that.  McDonald's, on the
    14        other hand, uses that as a minimum and generally goes above
    15        it.
    16
    17   Q.   One krona out of 50 above.  Just for the record, that was
    18        1985, those particular rates.
    19
    20   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, it does not come from the statement of
    21        Michael Thorell.  It comes from the -----
    22
    23   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No, I was looking at his statement.
    24
    25   MR. MORRIS:  Sorry, it is Ilse Neilsen's statement.  It is the
    26        statement number 19 of the Civil Evidence Act Notice
    27        statements.
    28
    29   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Have you anything more on Denmark?
    30
    31   MR. MORRIS:  Just one more question I have to ask.
    32        (To the witness):  If you look at No. 21 of the Civil
    33        Evidence Act Notices -- I do not know if you have them --
    34        it is the one in which we had, you remember, Jim Kuhn's
    35        statement, it is yellow XIII.
    36        A.  Yes.  I have it.  Where do you want me to be?
    37
    38   Q.   No. 21.
    39
    40   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Divider 21, Mr. Stein, Rikke Storm?
    41        A.  Yes, I have that.  I heard Mr. Kuhn's name.
    42
    43   MR. MORRIS:  Yes, sorry.  Rikke Storm, I think his statement has
    44        been provided to show the wage rates for under 18's.  I
    45        have noticed that he was 15 years old when he was employed
    46        by McDonald's.  The employment of people as young as 15
    47         ------
    48
    49   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think, although it is still Denmark, it is
    50        a slightly different topic so we will carry on at 
    51        2 o'clock. 
    52 
    53                        (Luncheon adjournment)
    54
    55   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Did you want to ask some questions about
    56        Rikke Storm's statement?
    57
    58   MR. MORRIS:  Yes.
    59
    60   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It is yellow XIII, divider 21, Mr. Stein,

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