Day 124 - 10 May 95 - Page 25


     
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     2        From my personal experience, usually, good managers would
     3        have a fairly decent indication of who might have been
     4        taking the funds from the till or taking merchandise.  When
     5        you sat those individuals down individually and indicated
     6        to them that you were having problems at the restaurant,
     7        and there were a number of people that we wanted to
     8        interview, in some cases the individual said: "Listen, if
     9        we schedule them for the interview, they would never show
    10        up for the interview and then later on they would not come
    11        to work", so .....
    12
    13   Q.   In terms of where you are asking questions where you did
    14        not have some specific incident, I will put it to you that
    15        if you are, by and large, expecting negative
    16        answers -- because otherwise you -----
    17
    18   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  By "negative" -- I completely misunderstood
    19        what you meant by "negative".
    20
    21   MS. STEEL:  People say:  "No, I have not got any offences" and
    22         "No, I have not stolen".
    23
    24   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  So you mean from the person, not from the
    25        machine?  The machine does not ----
    26
    27   MS. STEEL:  From the person.  (To the witness):  Those
    28        interviews, where people are saying:  "No, I have not",
    29         "No, I have been honest", you would expect these answers
    30        because otherwise you would not really be thinking of
    31        promoting them?
    32        A.  That is correct.
    33
    34   Q.   Such an interview would take five, maybe, 10 minutes at the
    35        most, and the reason that these interviews went on for much
    36        longer than that is because you were asking employees
    37        questions about their attitude to the Company, their
    38        attitude to trade unions and that kind of thing?
    39        A.  Absolutely not.  I do not know where you would come to
    40        that conclusion.  That was not the case.  I do not profess
    41        to be an expert in the giving of polygraph tests.  I can
    42        give you my best recollection of what transpires there,
    43        having been interviewed and having had it explained to me
    44        and having it explained to me by the professionals that
    45        give the exam.
    46
    47        You just do not walk in, sit down and put the band on your
    48        arm and then immediately go into questions pertaining to
    49        areas of dishonesty.  You want to establish a pattern:
    50        What is your name?  Where do you live?  Where did you go to 
    51        school?  Do you have any sisters?  Do you have any 
    52        brothers?  What is your mother's name?  So that a pattern 
    53        is established so they -----
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    55   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You calibrate the machine on normal every day
    56        questions?
    57        A.  That is correct.
    58
    59   Q.   Because the physiology change in pulse rate, perspiration,
    60        whatever physiological signs the machine registers, will

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