Day 263 - 14 Jun 96 - Page 71


     
     1        Bureau, is there anything at all you remember about that
     2        meeting?
     3        A.  Anything else, you mean?
     4
     5   Q.   Looking back six years, anything at all you can remember?
     6        A.  No, I cannot.
     7
     8   Q.   Right.
     9        A.  I am reminded now that there was quite a bit of
    10        discussion about the poll tax riots which I think had taken
    11        place prior to that.  That is the only topic, other topic,
    12        that I can -----
    13
    14   Q.   It is actually there; it is mentioned there?
    15        A.  I think there was quite a bit of talk about that, but
    16        that is the only other major topic I can remember.  But it
    17        is there, as you say.
    18
    19   MR. MORRIS:  OK.  We are not going to be able to finish
    20        Mr. Russell.
    21
    22   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, I do have something to say about that.
    23        There has been an awful lot of cross-examination which, as
    24        ever, has gone round and round the houses without
    25        approaching the subject.  If there is a challenge to be
    26        made to -----
    27
    28   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  As I understand it, you are well aware of
    29        that, Mr. Morris ---
    30
    31   MR. MORRIS:  Yes, of course.
    32
    33   MR. JUSTICE BELL: -- that if you are challenging anything....
    34
    35   MR. RAMPTON:  If there is a challenge to be made, well and good,
    36        we can do it on Monday.  But if there is not, I really do
    37        not see the point of Mr. Russell coming back.
    38
    39   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You are going to challenge, are you, parts of
    40         -----
    41
    42   MR. RAMPTON:  The bit that matters is obviously the bit about
    43        Mr. Morris.
    44
    45   MR. JUSTICE BELL: Is that going to be challenged?
    46
    47   MR. MORRIS:  Some of it, yes.  I cannot remember exactly what
    48        I am challenging.
    49
    50   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You see, if there is a lot of ground to 
    51        cover, then we will certainly go over till Monday with the 
    52        witness.  But you have laid your ground about reliability. 
    53        If there is a real challenge, for all I know you may have
    54        made some ground on that.  I would have thought, having
    55        laid your ground and taking some considerable time doing
    56        that, you could put the challenges in about two minutes,
    57        because what takes time, one can understand, is laying the
    58        ground as to whether the witness's recollection is to be
    59        relied upon, and then I will hear what evidence is given to
    60        the contrary in due course.  The challenge can be put in a

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