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     1        were negligent or not.
     2
     3   Q.   The Mark Hopkins incident -- this is on page 17 of your
     4        statement?
     5        A.  Yes.
     6
     7   Q.   Robert Chapman is the witness statement?
     8        A.  Yes.
     9
    10   Q.   You said that you were contacted at the time?
    11        A.  Yes.
    12
    13   Q.   Did you help or advise in any way when Jill Barnes was
    14        preparing her reports?
    15        A.  No, I did not.
    16
    17   Q.   But you knew she was preparing her report?
    18        A.  I did.  Jill talked to me about it and, in fact, phoned
    19        me up the very morning that it was reported to her.
    20
    21   Q.   The report which was issued on 4th November 1992 -- it is
    22        dated that -- did you see when it was produced?
    23        A.  Yes.  She showed me a copy of it after it was
    24        circulated, as I remember.
    25
    26   Q.   In your statement on point 5, page 18 ---
    27        A.  Yes.
    28
    29   Q.   -- you said:  "Mr. Chapman makes subsequent comments about
    30        turnover of staff, pressure of work, floor tiling,
    31        slipping, health and safety procedures being abandoned by
    32        managers in rush hours and closed periods"?
    33        A.  Yes.
    34
    35   Q.   You do not comment about that, though?
    36        A.  No.
    37
    38   Q.   Is that just an oversight?
    39        A.  I do not actually know why I said that.  It is not an
    40        oversight.  I am sure he made his comments in good faith
    41        and they will be looked at.
    42
    43   Q.   If any or all of those things were happening, would that
    44        give you concerns then, that would lead you to some
    45        concern?
    46        A.  I mean, things like turnover of staff, pressure of work
    47        and so on, floor tiling and slipping, yes, they are all
    48        items which need consideration.  They would not
    49        specifically individually give me any cause for concern,
    50        however.  I would be concerned if health and safety 
    51        procedures were being abandoned by managers and that, I 
    52        think -- that would give me cause for concern. 
    53
    54   Q.   It was not an oversight that you did not comment then?
    55        A.  No.
    56
    57   Q.   You did not want to comment because, in fact, you would
    58        have to make criticisms of McDonald's, would you not?
    59        A.  I am sorry, that is simply not so.  By having made it,
    60        I have opened it to cross-examination by yourself, and I am

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