Day 085 - 08 Feb 95 - Page 58


     
     1   Q.   "In addition an abbreviated calibration check list will be
     2        drawn up for use on a daily basis.  This daily check list
     3        will include the verification of all fryer temperatures,
     4        all grill and fryer timers, the probe temperatures for all
     5        grills and all temperatures relating to walk-in chillers
     6        and freezers, grill-side freezers and filet, pie and
     7        chicken freezers.  Whilst this daily check list is being
     8        drawn up you are to use the weekly calibration check list
     9        completing the sections outlined above."
    10
    11        So up until this time daily calibration checks, in fact
    12        I think you said that already anyway, that daily
    13        calibration checks were not in place at that time?
    14        A.  Calibration checks were done daily according to the
    15        preventative maintenance calendar.
    16
    17   Q.   They were at that time?
    18        A.  Yes, we were doing daily calibration checks.
    19
    20   Q.   So Mr. Haag, is it?
    21        A.  "Hague" is the pronunciation.
    22
    23   Q.   He is just creating extra paper work really?
    24        A.  Yes, he is revising the paper work.  I think at that
    25        time one of our concerns was documentation to say we have a
    26        system that we use, but we just would not document in it
    27        correctly. The piece of paper we had was the calibration
    28        check list which was used as an aid to fill the PMC in, and
    29        in his opinion, looking at the situation at that time, we
    30        needed something else to cover off the other areas.  We
    31        were concerned that we could prove that we were taking food
    32        safety seriously and that we had documentary evidence to
    33        support that.
    34
    35   Q.   So prior to that time nobody had to prove they were
    36        carrying out these checks?
    37        A.  We had on the calendar, the planned maintenance
    38        calendar, I do not know where this came from but just
    39        reviewing that presumably it was implied that that was not
    40        enough.  I think, from my knowledge of it, it said that the
    41        task had been done, so I would put, "John Atherton says
    42        that I calibrated the grills", whereas in the calibration
    43        check list I would write the temperature of the grills when
    44        I checked it and if an environmental health officer came
    45        into the store and looked at the calendar and said, "Well,
    46        you said you could just fill that in", I then had another
    47        document which said, "Well, I checked it at this time of
    48        the day and these are the temperatures that I checked", so
    49        we had that documentary proof.
    50 
    51   Q.   Do you know whether that was something that environmental 
    52        health recommended in the light of Preston? 
    53        A.  I do not know in the light of Preston, but as I got
    54        involved in this new job and worked through operations
    55        development and we got environmental health officers for
    56        advice and to verify assistance, this documentation is
    57        something they suggested we should do more of and make sure
    58        we can prove that we have done as we say because it would
    59        help us in court cases, if ever there should be one, or it
    60        would also help them in their investigations.  If they came

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