Day 306 - 26 Nov 96 - Page 32
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2 MR. JUSTICE BELL: That is 89, is it?
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4 MS. STEEL: 1989, yes. Sorry. "Their ringleader appeared to be
5 Paul Gravett, whose name and identity I knew at that time.
6 Mr. Gravett was accompanied by Ms. Steel."
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8 I did make the point when I gave evidence about this that I
9 did not actually come to the picket with Mr. Gravett. I
10 mean, obviously, when I was there I spoke to him because I
11 knew him. But I did not come along with him. The next
12 thing is he says in his statement about observing members
13 of the group handing out copies of the leaflet complained
14 of, which he attaches to his statement marked T.E.C.2, and
15 that he had seen me distributing that leaflet as well.
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17 Now, on day 236, page 41, line 24, Mr. Rampton put a copy
18 of the fact sheet to Mr. Carroll that had a tea stain on it
19 and asked, "Is that the document you saw Ms. Steel
20 distributing to members of the public?" and Mr. Carroll
21 answered, "That or similar to it."
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23 MR. RAMPTON: I have to say, my Lord, tea stain was put on by
24 me at some stage.
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26 MR JUSTICE BELL: Yes, well, I do not know where the tea stain
27 came on, but...
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29 MS. STEEL: I was not going to say anything like I wouldn't
30 hand out leaflets with tea stains on it anyway, but...
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32 The point from that is that he cannot actually identify the
33 specific copy which he claimed was being distributed by
34 myself, or any copy which he claimed came from my hand.
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36 Then, on 236, page 47, line 35, he was asked about the copy
37 of the fact sheet behind his statement which had '1989'
38 written on it, and he said that it was not written on by
39 him. On page 53, line 13, he went on to say that as far as
40 he can tell that was one of the leaflets collected on that
41 date. But the point is that he cannot possibly tell
42 because there is no identifying mark on it for him to be
43 able to say positively that that was a leaflet collected on
44 that date.
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46 Additionally on this point, the copy which is attached at
47 TEC2 to his statement was not collected by him. That was
48 day 237, page 12, line 53. At line, page 12, line 57, you
49 asked him a question and Mr. Carroll confirmed that
50 everything, including the copy of the fact sheet or the
51 leaflet complained of, had been brought to him by somebody
52 else. So he, in fact, obtained no leaflets whatsoever on
53 that day and, therefore, he cannot give any admissible
54 evidence on that point.
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56 MR. JUSTICE BELL: As far as I am aware, TEC2, which is attached
57 to his statement -- obviously, I have a photocopy of his
58 statement and I have a photocopy of a sheet with appendix
59 TEC2 on with what appears to be his signature and the date
60 2nd June 1993; behind that I have a photocopy of the
