Day 259 - 10 Jun 96 - Page 33


     
     1        no, a bit impolite to just leave him trying to find his way
     2        through the records.
     3
     4   Q.   If you can remember -- and it is nearly ten years ago, the
     5        most recent of those occasions -- on average, roughly how
     6        long would he spend on his twice yearly visits?
     7        A.  How long would he actually spend?
     8
     9   Q.   How long would he actually spend in your office?
    10        A.  He would spend a couple of hours.
    11
    12   Q.   Then can you turn over the page, please?  In paragraph 5,
    13        you say:
    14
    15        "Mr. Mills' approach was that so long as our employees had
    16        received under our system at least as much as or more than
    17        the minimum wages under the appropriate method of
    18        calculation prescribed by the wages order then in force, he
    19        was satisfied that we were complying with the law."
    20
    21        Is that what he told you?
    22        A.  Yes, absolutely, yes.
    23
    24   Q.   That was the approach that he explained to you?
    25        A.  Yes.
    26
    27   MS. STEEL:   That is hearsay.
    28
    29   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Well, it is -----
    30
    31   MR. RAMPTON:  In one sense, it is, yes.
    32
    33   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It is evidence of the fact that that was
    34        Mr. Mills' approach and what he said.
    35
    36   MR. RAMPTON:  Yes.
    37
    38   MR. MORRIS:  It is evidence of the fact that that is what he
    39        said?
    40
    41   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That is right.
    42
    43   MR. MORRIS:  Or what was his approach.
    44
    45   MR. RAMPTON:  Then in the next paragraph -- I think there is
    46        probably a word missed out -- paragraph 6, Mrs. Pearce, you
    47        say: "Mr. Mills was familiar with method."  Should it be
    48        "McDonald's" or "our method" we should have in there, or
    49        has yours got the right word?
    50        A.  Mine has the same: "...with method of training 
    51        restaurant".  It was McDonald's --- 
    52 
    53   Q.   Yes.
    54        A.  -- method of training restaurant managers.
    55
    56   Q.   Do you know how he had become familiar with McDonald's
    57        method of training restaurant managers correctly?
    58        A.  From his visits to the restaurant.
    59
    60   Q.   From his visits?

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