Day 124 - 10 May 95 - Page 21


     
     1        I gave you the policy that we had, that was the policy that
     2        we had for restaurants, the franchisee that I worked for.
     3        At the time I worked for a franchisee, that was his
     4        policy.  I cannot speak to what the policy of the
     5        Corporation was at that time.  I think it is really
     6        stretching it to characterise things the way you just did.
     7
     8   MR. MORRIS:  It might be a good time to break.
     9
    10   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  We will have the five-minute break now.
    11
    12                       (Short Adjournment)
    13
    14   MS. STEEL:  I wanted to ask a couple more questions on lie
    15        detector tests:  When you were carrying out the tests, how
    16        long did they usually last for?
    17        A.  I would say 20 minutes maybe.  Sometimes they would go
    18        longer than that if the interviewee had some problems.
    19
    20   Q.   What kind of things did you ask them about?
    21        A.  We did not -- when I say "we", management did not
    22        conduct the tests.  Normally an outside agency conducted
    23        the test.  They were trained in the application of those
    24        tests.  We were usually not present in the room when the
    25        tests were given.  So, when a test was given the store
    26        manager, assistant manager, supervisor, franchisee was not
    27        present.  We got the results of the test.  A summary was
    28        given to us after the tests.  So we were not there, or were
    29        not present.  With regard to some of the questions, you
    30        know, we had an idea what some of the questions would be.
    31        For instance, if we suspected a particular employee of
    32        absconding with the receipts of a day, we would ask, there
    33        would be questions on the exam pertaining to the taking of
    34        money:  "Have you ever taken any money before?  Did you
    35        ever take any money from McDonald's?"  That kind of thing.
    36
    37   Q.   So you gave some kind of instructions to the firm that was
    38        actually carrying out the test on what kind of things you
    39        wanted them to ask about?
    40        A.  Some instructions.  You know, for instance, if a test
    41        was being conducted on employees that were suspected of
    42        dishonesty, then we would provide the interviewer
    43        information about what was missing, or what we were
    44        concerned about.  It was their responsibility to ask
    45        whatever questions that they needed to ask to get to arrive
    46        at a conclusion on that matter.
    47
    48   Q.   In the case of, say -- I do not know -- you mentioned
    49        till receipts or something going missing; in the case of
    50        something like that, did you call in the whole crew and 
    51        they all got a lie detector test, or was it just specific 
    52        people? 
    53        A.  No, to my knowledge that never happened.  It could have
    54        happened in some cases, but that very rarely would be the
    55        case.
    56
    57   Q.   Did you ever sit in on any of these lie detector tests?
    58        A.  You could not.
    59
    60   Q.   It is just that when you answered that initially you said

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