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     1        occurs at the starting rate position.  That is not, in
     2        fact, the case.  Whilst it is slightly higher, marginally
     3        higher, in the first four and a half months of employment
     4        with the Company, it is not a significant, and it is
     5        certainly not a majority, amount of the turnover, as far as
     6        I am aware.
     7
     8   Q.   We saw some national figures on the average length of stay
     9         -- we will not try to find them -- it was something,
    10        I believe, like 56 per cent nationally who had a length of
    11        stay of less than 12 months at McDonald's.
    12
    13   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If figures have been turned out which showed
    14        that 56 per cent or thereabouts of people who were on
    15        McDonald's books at the moment the survey was done had been
    16        there up to 12 months, because it is one of these faintly
    17        confusing printouts where it had a figure up to 12 months
    18        and then the next one, instead of starting over 12 months,
    19        also started at 12 months.  But there we are, let us
    20        suppose at any given moment 56 per cent of McDonald's
    21        employees had been in McDonald's employment for not more
    22        than 12 months?
    23        A.  Right.
    24
    25   Q.   Would that lead you to change the evidence you have just
    26        given?
    27        A.  No, not at all.
    28
    29   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I do not think you need work it out with the
    30        witness, you know.  You can develop an argument to me if
    31        you want on these figures, but if so many percentage gets
    32        5p, so many get 10p, and so many percentage get 15p, and if
    33        the first one is after four months and three weeks and
    34        their next chance is not till eight months, then you can
    35        develop your theme to me.
    36
    37        After all, may I just say that when you have any one
    38        witness in the witness box, his experience may be fairly
    39        broad, but he cannot tell you what the figures are from his
    40        own experience across McDonald's; he can only speak from
    41        his own experience.  (To the witness):  You are speaking of
    42        your own experience in the various positions you have held
    43        and the areas you have held without, as I understand it,
    44        ever having sat down and done a survey of the matter?
    45        A.  That is right, sir.
    46
    47   Q.   So what you are doing is responding as best you can to a
    48        question of which you have had no warning?
    49        A.  That is right.
    50 
    51   MR. MORRIS:  Anyway, you said 50 to 70 per cent got five pence 
    52        rise in pay reviews that generalised five pence? 
    53        A.  Yes.
    54
    55   Q.   The case on turnover at McDonald's which was 197 per cent
    56        in 1989 nationally ---
    57        A.  Was it?
    58
    59   Q.   -- as we have heard.  I think it was December 1989.  You
    60        have said that there were efforts to bring the turnover

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