Day 192 - 27 Nov 95 - Page 21


     
     1        middle.  There were high bacterial levels in the milkshakes
     2        and the sundae things, like, in the machines; and also
     3        where you make your sundaes, there are different sauces,
     4        like, in containers, and there are a lot of fruit flies in
     5        the cherry and strawberry ones.
     6
     7   Q.   So, basically, there was not much difference between the
     8        two?
     9        A.  Not that I -- no, not that I noticed.
    10
    11   Q.   I just want to see if there are any more general questions.
    12        I am looking at your second statement now, page 20.  You
    13        said in your last paragraph on page 20 that there were a
    14        lot of people talking about problems at work.  Can you just
    15        describe the atmosphere -- say in 1993, before you actually
    16        started organising the union -- the atmosphere amongst
    17        employees, in terms of people talking about problems at
    18        work?
    19        A.  There were a range of problems from health hazards and
    20        work and safety from -- slippery floors;  a girl fell down
    21        once and broke her foot, because the floors were very
    22        greasy and they were too tough to clean, to get all the
    23        grease off them.  I had friends burn their hands in the
    24        vats, because they are rushed.  Like, one gentleman was --
    25        like, you are constantly rushed at McDonald's, it is "go,
    26        go, go".  That is their things; they want you to be as
    27        quick as you possibly can.
    28
    29        It was during the morning shift where there is hash browns,
    30        and one of the hash browns had fallen out of the rack that
    31        you put it in the deep frier, and he was in such a rush,
    32        management was "go, go, go", that he stuck his hand in the
    33        vat to grab a hash brown.  He just did not even think.
    34        Another friend of mine has been burned by hot coffee there.
    35
    36   Q.   So, I am just trying to get the atmosphere, in terms of
    37        people talking about their problems.  What did people do;
    38        did they just come to you?
    39        A.  No.  People just talked amongst themselves about how
    40        management was feeling today, how they were being treated,
    41        what had happened to them, how their day at work was --
    42        because you would talk in the crew room, when one person
    43        was coming off a shift and when one person was starting,
    44        day staff talked about how they were during the day, what
    45        to watch for.  Is that clear?
    46
    47   Q.   Yes, thank you.  Sabina Iurillo said in court that she had
    48        never complained about conditions at the store.  Has she
    49        ever complained, in your knowledge?
    50        A.  Yes.  She ----- 
    51 
    52   Q.   To whom? 
    53        A.  She had complained about, you know, not getting enough
    54        hours; and then I believe she got a job at Northern
    55        Reflections at the mall, the mall in Orangeville.  When Cam
    56        found out about this, she had told me that he had said to
    57        her that she was not being totally loyal to him, that she
    58        should either quit Northern Reflections or quit McDonald's.
    59
    60   Q.   So she complained to you, did she?

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