Day 171 - 11 Oct 95 - Page 14


     
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     2        On 11, there are not very many of those at all.  So far as
     3        nought hours is concerned, that does not require any
     4        elucidation.  The excessive hour reports are done in the
     5        form of rolling totals, so if somebody goes over his 39
     6        hours and does it again, adds to the excess, the excess
     7        hours report sheet will show the addition, as it is an
     8        automatic thing, I suppose, taken off the clock card
     9        sheets, and shows how it increases over a period of time;
    10        and then one can look back at the clock card sheet at that
    11        time and see whether the Company did anything about it, or
    12        the employee.  I will not say any more than that.  So they
    13        are quite useful.
    14
    15        The other thing which the clock card sheets show -- which
    16        I am not sure is actually relevant to the evidence of
    17        Mr. Logan, but I am not going to go to the lengths of
    18        blanking them out -- they do show when the employees had
    19        their breaks as well, the precise times; I mean, they are
    20        in minutes.  The clock which is used on the clock card
    21        sheets appears to be an ordinary 60 minute clock and not
    22        one of those 100 unit -----
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    24   MR. JUSTICE BELL: Is there, on your information, anything which
    25        would be on a clock card which would not be on the -- if we
    26        took a specimen period, whether it be May 1994 or any
    27        other, is there anything which would appear on the clock
    28        cards themselves which one could not get off the documents
    29        you have mentioned and which you are prepared to accept
    30        should be disclosed?
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    32   MR. RAMPTON:  There are no clock cards at all at this period; it
    33        is all done by private computer.  There are simply these
    34        sheets, as I understand it, through which the employees use
    35        a switch card, I think.  I do not think there are any
    36        actual things like the piece of cardboard that one used to
    37        use when one clocked on and off.
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    39   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Because that came in in 1990 or 1991.  That
    40        was 1986 and 1987, and the fully computerised one was
    41        1991.
    42
    43   MR. RAMPTON:  I believe Mr. Morris knows that.  I think this is
    44        probably just a typing error, and there are not the actual
    45        clock cards in existence; we have just got the sheets.
    46
    47   MR. MORRIS:  Yes, it is the sheets.
    48
    49   MR. RAMPTON:  I thought it was.
    50 
    51   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I have to say that -- I will hear argument in 
    52        due course -- if we have a sample period, there is some 
    53        attraction in having all the documents of differing kinds
    54        for that period.
    55
    56   MR. RAMPTON:  Yes.
    57
    58   MR. JUSTICE BELL: The loose end in my mind at the moment is that
    59        if we do not go into a month between July and September
    60        1994 because the latest date available is May 1994, query

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