Day 158 - 19 Jul 95 - Page 25


     
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     2   MR. RAMPTON:  That is right, my Lord.  In fact, on my map it
     3        actually has Tropic of Capricorn -----
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     5   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  -- the longitude lines, yes, I see that now.
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     7   MR. RAMPTON:  The one I am going to give your Lordship after
     8        lunch has actually go it marked on.  The tropic of Cancer,
     9        of course, is much further north of the equator, so the
    10        whole of this map is within the tropics.
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    12   MR. MORRIS:  The map that McDonald's seek to rely on has this
    13        line as the crow flies around what they call the
    14        "rain forest area".  That can only have been deforested
    15        rain forest because forests do not plant themselves in
    16        straight lines.  It is absolutely clear that a large
    17        section of Mato Grosso was formally (and should be)
    18        tropical rain forest by logical conclusion from their own
    19        map, which would coincide with the Collins' indication.
    20        But, obviously, evidence will be brought to this effect.
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    22   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You say evidence will be brought to this
    23        effect.  That is what I am inviting you -- if you have
    24        statements to that effect, you would do best to refer me to
    25        them straightaway, would you not?  Or are you saying that
    26        you propose to serve statements to that effect or expand
    27        your evidence to that effect?
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    29   MR. MORRIS:  If we come along to Mr. Monbiot's statement.
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    31   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, refer me to that.
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    33   MR. MORRIS:  Do you have Mr. Monbiot's statement?
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    35   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Tell me where to find it.  I have read all
    36        the statements at some stage in the past but, as I have
    37        said more than once, I cannot pretend to keep their
    38        contents in my mind.
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    40   MR. MORRIS:  It is our statement.  It is not a Civil Evidence
    41        Act Notice so it would be in our rain forest statements.
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    43   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, it is in 1C.
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    45   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It is in my pale blue 1C in section G,
    46        No. 3.  Yes?
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    48   MR. MORRIS:  First of all, in the first part under his
    49        "Expertise" on the first page of his statement, in the
    50        second paragraph, he says he spent approximately two years 
    51        in Brazil investigating the causes of deforestation in the 
    52        Brazilian Amazon.  Actually, I have not been able to speak 
    53        to him for an enormous long time so I have been trying to
    54        get more maps and things like that off him.
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    56        Then he says:  "The Issue:  Cattle ranching has been and
    57        probably remains the greatest cause of deforestation in the
    58        Brazilian Amazon.  It is both a primary and a secondary
    59        cause of deforestation:  some forest is cleared for cattle
    60        ranching when ranchers move in as the first arrivals on a

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