Day 117 - 27 Apr 95 - Page 17


     
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     2   Q.   -- one sees that 3, 4 and 5 for 18 or over is a fraction
     3        of -- it is 9p, 5p and 1.4 of a penny over £2, do you see,
     4        in their document for the 18 year year-olds plus, whichever
     5        group we look in?
     6        A.  Yes, we were.
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     8   Q.   Whichever group of yours we look at for over 18s, it is
     9        £2.22 or above?
    10        A.  Yes.  What used to happen is we used to get a Green
    11        Paper from the Wages Council around about April which gave
    12        the proposed minimum rate.  At that time I would
    13        independently myself, my own Company, do a comparison
    14        between our rates of pay, the rates of pay in the rest of
    15        the industry and the rates of pay on the high street
    16        generally.
    17
    18        Then I would go in with recommendations to the Chief
    19        Executive Officer and we would then discuss, and he would
    20        settle, he authorised the rate of pay.  Then when the White
    21        Paper came out in early June, I would submit what we had
    22        decided was our minimum rates.  This was the rate paid to a
    23        recruit for his first 21 days.
    24
    25   Q.   And if he is working at the lowest rate which is the day
    26        time?
    27        A.  Yes, and then we enhanced them for the evening rate,
    28        the premium rate.
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    30   Q.   I think that saves an awful lot of looking at paper.  It is
    31        right, is it not, as we will see in a moment by way of
    32        example, that the only rate of pay at McDonald's which is
    33        the same as, rather than more than, the prescribed minimum
    34        rate is the daily rate in the provinces for the 18
    35        year-olds?
    36        A.  The daily rate in the provinces for 18 year-olds would
    37        be at the recommended minimum, maybe 2 or 3p more on
    38        occasions, but, generally, the minimum rate set down by the
    39        Wages Council would be the starting pay for the daily rate
    40        in Provincial restaurants.
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    42   MR. MORRIS:  I may have missed that but did we refer to what the
    43        provinces paid anywhere?
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    45   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No.  Mr. Rampton asked the question a few
    46        minutes ago as to whether Mr. Nicholson knew where one
    47        might find Outer London and the provinces, and you did not
    48        seem to know, Mr. Nicholson?
    49
    50   THE WITNESS:  No. 
    51 
    52   MR. RAMPTON:  Not for this year. 
    53        A.  That was all I could find.
    54
    55   Q.   If Mr. Morris is interested, there is an example at tab 27,
    56        page 666, where we have the figures for outside London but
    57        not for anywhere else, as it happens?
    58        A.  Yes.  That is for the next year.
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    60   Q.   That is for 1987.  Then if you turn, Mr. Nicholson, to page

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