Day 293 - 04 Nov 96 - Page 40


     
     1        Those were 1984 figures, I think, in fact.  So, obviously,
     2        since that time, their sale of burgers has gone up; and, on
     3        top of that, the packaging is more bulky than the food item
     4        anyway.  Well, I will not hazard a guess as to how many
     5        times they would reach the moon and back now with their
     6        packaging.
     7
     8   MR JUSTICE BELL:  I just want to ask -- Mr. Rampton, am I right
     9        in assuming that there are no either Gee Whizz figures or
    10        annual report figures which relate to packaging that you
    11        can immediately -----
    12
    13   MR. RAMPTON:   Not that I can think of.  I have tried to build
    14        up -- what I have done, I have tried to build up, as far as
    15        I can, a year by year picture, so far as I see it to be
    16        relevant.  I have just had to use the figures which
    17        Mr. Kouchoucos has given us at various times.  Also, there
    18        are some figures -- again, they do not give a consistent
    19        historical picture -- in some of the pink files.
    20
    21   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   Yes.
    22
    23   MR. RAMPTON:   So far as I am able to, I will refer
    24        your Lordship to those when it is my turn.
    25
    26   MS. STEEL:   In case you need the reference -- which is probably
    27        unlikely -- the figures about the hamburgers stretching to
    28        the moon and back five times are in the Defendants'
    29        document 197 of the original list of documents; and that
    30        was produced, I think, 1985.  It has got stuff about 1984
    31        in it.
    32
    33   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   Yes.
    34
    35   MR. MORRIS:   We are just finishing off bits and pieces now.
    36
    37   MS. STEEL:   The only things I wanted to bring up -- you asked
    38        for some examples about where they trumpet their use of
    39        recycled paper.  In the Defendants' list of documents,
    40        bundle 2, tab 39 -- we did go through this with one of the
    41        witnesses; I can't actually remember who now -- the
    42        opportunities and pitfalls of environmentally sound
    43        packaging, panel presentation by Mike Freedman and
    44        Corinne Reed, McDonald's Restaurants Limited.  On page 6 of
    45        that -- I don't know whether we ever found out who this was
    46        directed to -- on page 6 of that, it does say: "We are
    47        heavily committed to the use of recycled paper."
    48
    49        Actually, this document is the place where it says: "When
    50        you look at one of our typical takeaway meals, all UK 
    51        carry-out bags are made from 30 percent recycled paper, and 
    52        we are looking at the possibility of increasing that 
    53        amount."  Then it says: "But other paper that comes into
    54        direct contact with food, like this bag of fries, has to be
    55        made from virgin paper pulp under the food laws of most
    56        European countries.  So we cannot use recycled paper here."
    57
    58        Obviously, that was what Mr. Morris was referring to
    59        earlier, where that is actually untrue; there is nothing to
    60        stop them using recycled paper next to the food, except in

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