Day 099 - 08 Mar 95 - Page 75


     
     1        A.  I have pink VIII, 1B.
     2
     3   Q.   That is the Chicken McNuggets followed by the ----
     4        A.  Meat patties.
     5
     6   Q.   --- US frozen meat patties.  Let him finish this first of
     7        all because I am trying to help you on your point.
     8        A.  Just starting with the frozen beef spec. which is the
     9        second page, the only microbiological criterion that
    10        McDonald's demand on its patties is the total count.
    11
    12   MR. MORRIS:  This is the McKey document now?
    13
    14   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No, it is not.  That is his whole point.
    15        I referred him to the McKey document.  He wants to take us
    16        to the McDonald's document saying whatever it says in the
    17        McKey microbiological guidelines "Look at what we say".
    18
    19   MR. MORRIS:  This is Chicken McNuggets.
    20
    21   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No.  If you turn over the second page it is
    22        US frozen meat patties as well.
    23
    24   MR. MORRIS:  Sorry, yes.
    25
    26   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.
    27        A.  That is what we ask of McKey's and they supply product
    28        that they do not exceed these guidelines for total count.
    29        We do not set any parameters for them on salmonella or
    30        other specific bacteria in our specification.  The
    31        specification comes out of our parent company in the
    32        States.  Now, as a department, the UK Quality Assurance
    33        Department which is where I work, we take the specification
    34        and work with our suppliers to produce a product that
    35        exceeds, matches at least that specification. So, if you
    36        look at the back to the McKey document that we had earlier,
    37        which is in the yellow file, the only specification there
    38        that we insist on is the one at the second paragraph which
    39        is referring to total count.
    40
    41   MR. MORRIS:  This is page 16.
    42        A.  Page 16, yes.
    43
    44   Q.   Total count?
    45        A.  Yes.  The other counts at the bottom of the page are
    46        what McKey use internally which are the industry standards,
    47        if you like, the UK industry or EC industry standard for
    48        minced beef.  I do not know if that clarifies?
    49
    50   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It does to this extent, that as I understand 
    51        it, it does not actually concern you so far as 
    52        acceptability of the product, whether in fact one of the 
    53        five samples did have salmonella in 25 grammes and that
    54        would not be a ground for rejecting it.  McKey's might form
    55        its own judgment on whether it accepted the beef which came
    56        in tested and found that?
    57        A.  That is right.
    58
    59   Q.   Whether it processed it and whether it chose to pass it on
    60        to the distribution centre, but your absolute is the total?

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