Day 259 - 10 Jun 96 - Page 41


     
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     2   MR. MORRIS:  I think if this evidence is going to have any
     3        weight at all, we ought to get those documents.
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     5   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No.  I just do not think that is relevant one
     6        way or the other.
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     8   MR. MORRIS:  They are more direct than hearsay, if they are
     9        written by Mr. Mills.
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    11   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I refuse that application.  I do not want to
    12        hear any argument about it.  It is pointless just having
    13        that kind of letter.  I listened to a year's evidence on
    14        employment, and that is not going to help me.
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    16   MR. MORRIS:  If the views of Mr. Mills are not relevant -----
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    18   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Carry on with your cross-examination, please,
    19        Mr. Morris.
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    21   MR. MORRIS:  (To the witness)  Did Mr. Mills or his department
    22        ever do a systematic sample of McDonald's payment records?
    23        A.  A sort of random check?
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    25   Q.   Not a random -- a proper systematic check?  Wages
    26        inspectors can do that, can they not?  They can choose a
    27        company and do a proper check which will have statistical
    28        significance?
    29        A.  They can.
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    31   Q.   They can?
    32        A.  They did -- he did.
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    34   Q.   Did they do that at McDonald's?
    35        A.  He did.
    36
    37   Q.   Was the report given to you of this systematic
    38        statistically significant check?
    39        A.  No.  He would only have needed to make a report if he
    40        had found anything untoward; and he did not.  He was always
    41        very happy.
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    43   Q.   So, he did a report to you saying "I have done a...."
    44        A.  He would verbally say to me, "Everything is fine", such
    45        as the DHS did at the time, such as the Inland Revenue, if
    46        they chose to come and look at our records.  It was very
    47        much the same way from the Wages Inspectorate.  He would
    48        come and look and go away contented, or, if he found
    49        something, he would have brought it to my attention.
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    51   Q.   When did he do this systematic statistically significant 
    52        check, or is this what he did every time he visited? 
    53        A.  On either of the occasions that I have said that he
    54        visited the office.
    55
    56   Q.   On those occasions?
    57        A.  On those occasions.
    58
    59   Q.   So, he thought that the potential for problems was so great
    60        that every time he visited he would do a statistically

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