Day 203 - 12 Jan 96 - Page 34


     
     1        systematic way?
     2        A.  I am not sure that there was a pattern.  I am not sure
     3        that there was anything systematic about it.  Everything
     4        that was plain to see was dealt with because the
     5        information there said that X person has worked until this
     6        time and then that has been changed to an earlier time.
     7        That was as plain as plain can be.  That was then addressed
     8        with the crew person and reimbursed to that crew person if
     9        it was true that they had worked and not been paid.
    10
    11        I do not see that any pattern emerged.  In fact, it was
    12        very difficult to get the full information from the records
    13        in the store, because there was a persistent problem with
    14        the filing and storage of the clock card files and the
    15        information pertaining to the clock card files.
    16
    17   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  How far back could you look?  I mean,
    18        I forget the name of the documents I have been shown; no
    19        doubt someone will remind me.  All one has to do is look at
    20        one sheet of paper ---
    21        A.  Yes.
    22
    23   Q.   -- and then at another sheet of paper for the same period,
    24        and one can see that the hours on the second sheet are
    25        shorter than the hours on the first, so that a person is
    26        paid, say, two hours less.
    27        A.  In all honesty, I did not -- I mean, I cannot
    28        remember.  I guess I would have looked back as far as the
    29        information stated that there was this issue going on, and
    30        then -----
    31
    32   Q.   The trouble I have with that at the moment -- let me put it
    33        to you, because there may be an answer -- if you asked the
    34        actual crew to remember back, things being what they are,
    35        they are going to remember back only for a very limited
    36        period.  If you have documentation which goes back, say,
    37        six months or a year, someone, if they had thought it
    38        important enough, could check back through all that
    39        documentation and see whether in fact this had been going
    40        on for a year or 18 months or two years or three years, or
    41        whatever.
    42        A.  Well -----
    43
    44   Q.   If the documentation is there, first of all, that would be
    45        possible, would it not?
    46        A.  Yes, if the documentation was there.
    47
    48   Q.   Secondly, it occurs to me, it is a serious enough matter
    49        for many companies to want to find out just how long it has
    50        been going on for. 
    51        A.  Well, I mean, I cannot recall specific details but, 
    52        from my recollection, I looked back as far as the 
    53        information that was available to tell me that this
    54        was -----
    55
    56   Q.   The documentary information?
    57        A.  The documentation.  There is quite a lot of information
    58        that is retained, and over a period of a month we keep
    59        every day's audit adjustment file.  There is quite a
    60        considerable amount of information. My memory of it was

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