Day 067 - 15 Dec 94 - Page 52
1 Q. They are asking their suppliers what the conditions are?
2 A. I testified before about the translation I made from
3 Rudolf Madrigal in Costa Rica. In that translation he said
4 this is from my recollection as to who is the QA, the
5 country purchasing manager as well as the recollection from
6 a QA manager, and he mentions also Oscar and Gerado who are
7 the people involved in running the plant. These are
8 answers from them, but it comes from these things.
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10 Q. It may be a combination of recollection ----
11 A. Yes, it could be.
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13 Q. --- and conversation?
14 A. That is correct, it could be part of that. It could be
15 just a conversation.
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17 Q. It might be fair to say that if they know it is for an
18 intending court case then they are going to put their
19 answers in the best light possible, are they not?
20 A. That would be an incorrect statement, sir.
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22 MR. JUSTICE BELL: That may be a matter of comment to me.
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24 THE WITNESS: Nobody will intentionally lie, especially if there
25 are going to be papers that will be presented in court.
26 That is not our practice, sir.
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28 MR. MORRIS: You feel they would make it as accurate as
29 possible?
30 A. That is correct.
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32 Q. Then we have on the next bit which is still on Malaysia.
33 Uruguay has cropped up because there are exports from
34 Uruguay to Malaysia?
35 A. At that time that was correct.
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37 Q. For McDonald's?
38 A. Raw materials, yes.
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40 Q. If we move over to Turkey, on the noise level prior to
41 slaughter control to reduce stress to animals, I just
42 noticed as I was going through that there are quite a few
43 no's on that as compared to other ones, yet you felt this
44 was something quite important in the list. I think you
45 indicated that was a fairly important one?
46 A. That is correct.
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48 Q. Why do you feel that one is particularly important?
49 A. Because it could add stress to the animal.
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51 Q. Which is important why?
52 A. Because it will affect the welfare of the animal in a
53 short period of time, and it will affect the quality of the
54 meat as well. I hope you understand that this is the kind
55 of issue that will come out in the Humane Slaughter Act.
56 When we asked a question, "Is noise level prior to
57 slaughter controlled to reduce stress to the animals?" how
58 can one assume what level of noise will cause stress? How
59 can one measure what type of noise will affect stress?
60 Humans can actually enjoy noise in the form of music. So,
