Day 147 - 04 Jul 95 - Page 24
1 MR. JUSTICE BELL: There has been some confusion. If Mr. Morris
2 wants to say any more, he can.
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4 MS. STEEL: Mr. Rampton has not said the cost of the
5 transcripts, which I thought was the purpose of him getting
6 up. I think you asked Mr. Rampton what the cost of
7 transcripts were.
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9 MR. JUSTICE BELL: That is why I say there may be a
10 misunderstanding. I thought Mr. Morris had finished what
11 he wanted to say. If he has not, then certainly he must
12 continue, and then I will come back to Mr. Rampton.
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14 MR. MORRIS: There were only really a couple of other points,
15 which is that it is not realistic, unless we get
16 transcripts one way or the other -- either from the
17 discovery of the Plaintiffs or voluntarily from the
18 Plaintiffs, or copies made from, by the court's public
19 funds, the judge's copy or other, from the court tapes --
20 it is not realistic to expect that we would be able to
21 afford to buy them or to have clerks who could take the
22 kind of notes that would be anywhere near equivalent or
23 effective.
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25 MR. JUSTICE BELL: So you are not -----
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27 MR. MORRIS: We would certainly look into that, obviously. All
28 I am saying is that it is unlikely to be a substitute for a
29 transcript which, if available and existing, we should have
30 a copy of.
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32 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You have made that point before.
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34 MR. MORRIS: Yes. I am just re-emphasising that point, that it
35 is not a substitute. I am saying we would obviously look
36 into that if we had to, but that would be -----
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38 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You see, I have to decide the matter, and
39 I will, and I will not resile from it. I am not deciding
40 Mr. Rampton's application. I will be deciding your
41 application which I take to be that I should order
42 McDonald's to provide you with a copy of the transcript or
43 that I should order that you have one paid for by public
44 funds, or that I should order that no one, despite the
45 provision in Order 68, rule 1, should have a copy of the
46 transcript if you do not have it.
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48 So it is a tripartite application you are making. If there
49 is any other part to your application which I have omitted,
50 then tell me about it. I have the point that if I held
51 against you on your applications, then you say you want
52 time to see if you can get some noting cover. I have that
53 as well.
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55 MS. STEEL: Yes, certainly. As far as someone taking notes for
56 us, obviously, it would not be as good as the transcripts,
57 but it is going to be considerably better than nothing.
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59 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I have that point. But have I described what
60 your application is accurately? You still have CaseView
