Day 187 - 13 Nov 95 - Page 39


     
     1   MR. MORRIS:  All I can do is pass on information, but she has
     2        told me not even to do that.
     3
     4   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  She cannot stop you handing her address to
     5        someone else.
     6
     7   MR. MORRIS:  No, but there again, I feel an obligation to
     8        respect her wishes, and that is the way we -----
     9
    10   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What are you hoping to get out of this,
    11        Mr. Rampton?  At the moment, I do not mind saying
    12        I will need an awful lot of persuading to attach any weight
    13        at all to little bits of what people say to a video
    14        camcorder (which I suppose is what it was) for the purpose
    15        of making a film, especially when I will have heard some
    16        firsthand evidence from Miss Anteneh, from Anne Tobin, as
    17        and when she is called.  I will have to measure it against
    18        evidence I have heard in respect of the same kind of topics
    19        from a number of other witnesses on both sides.
    20
    21   MR. RAMPTON:  Well, my Lord, I obviously cannot answer that with
    22        any certainty.
    23
    24   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If I can just keep thinking aloud, you may or
    25        may not find Miss Gabriel; if you found Miss Gabriel, and
    26        if I have a hearing and decide to order (if I find I have
    27        power) her to divulge the copies of these 800 pages, or
    28        whatever it is, when one searches through them there may be
    29        nothing there which gives any real help at all one way or
    30        the other.
    31
    32   MR. RAMPTON:  I do not know that until I have seen it.  I do
    33        know -- and this I am entitled to say -- from 30 years'
    34        experience of dealing with television programmes on both
    35        sides of the case, I do know that it happens with
    36        nauseating regularity that what is put on the screen is
    37        misrepresentative of what the interviewee actually said.
    38        Your Lordship will remember, for example, interviews with
    39        people -- one person, I think it was -- about his rate of
    40        pay; your Lordship will remember a purported piece of film
    41        about a rap session.  It may very well be -- I do not know
    42        until I have seen the transcript -- that what was actually
    43        said on that occasion and by those interviewees has been
    44        misrepresented by the film.  If that were so, it would have
    45        two effects:  not only would it devalue those parts of the
    46        film in your Lordship's eyes -- and I cannot tell whether
    47        it will or will not -- secondly, of course, it would shed a
    48        flood of light on Miss Tobin's credibility on the matters
    49        where she can give direct evidence.
    50 
    51   MR. MORRIS:  A document is not disclosed if it goes solely to 
    52        credit, anyway; and, secondly ----- 
    53
    54   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Wait.  Mr. Rampton is still -- I will give
    55        you your opportunity, if indeed you need it.
    56
    57   MR. RAMPTON:  It does not just go to credit, you see, because
    58        she was the person who actually helped to make the film;
    59        apparently, she did most of the labour work.  She was not
    60        the producer.

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