Day 118 - 01 May 95 - Page 15


     
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     2   Q.   In 1986, the shift between 7 p.m. to 11 p.m. works out
     3        about 25 pence more per hour than the shift from 7 a.m. to
     4        7 p.m., does it not?
     5        A.  You would have to direct me to the -- 1986, did you
     6        say?
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     8   Q.   Yes, it would be on page 647.
     9        A.  Thank you.  Yes.  What was your question again?
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    11   Q.   It is about 25 pence more for the hours between 7 p.m. and
    12        11 p.m.?
    13        A.  Yes.
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    15   Q.   25 pence more per hour?
    16        A.  Yes.
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    18   Q.   For the hours between 11 p.m. and 7 a.m. it is about 50
    19        pence more per hour?
    20        A.  Yes.
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    22   Q.   So any worker who received a pay rise of between 0 and 10
    23        pence would not be above those rates, would they?
    24        A.  Anybody what?  Say that again, I am sorry.  If they got
    25        a 10 pence increase, they got a 10 pence increase on each
    26        of those basic minimums.  If they work between 7 p.m. and
    27        11 p.m. their rate would be 2.33 if they had got a 10 pence
    28        increase.  If they worked between 11 p.m. and 7 a.m. they
    29        would be on 2.58.  The 10 pence increase went right through
    30        their earning rate.
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    32   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If we take provincial, June 1986, the 25p on
    33        top of the 1.99 is very marginally more than one-eighth,
    34        which is the figure which, according to 641, has to be paid
    35        if you go over the 39 hours, one-eighth for that period
    36        rather, and the figure for 11 p.m. to 7 a.m. is 50p which
    37        is just very marginally more than a quarter of the hourly
    38        rate which is again what has to be paid.
    39        A.  Yes.
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    41   Q.   But you are on a column 6 on page 646 ----
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    43   MR. MORRIS:  Could we point out on page 641, point 3 says that
    44        overtime is half of the hourly rate ---
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    46   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That is what I am coming to.
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    48   MS. STEEL:   It says "in addition".
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    50   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  In column 6 on 646 and in paragraph 3 under 
    51        paragraph 9 on page 641, it is an additional one half of 
    52        the hourly rate over 39 hours, I think. 
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    54   THE WITNESS:  Yes, my Lord.
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    56   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think that is what is being put to you, is
    57        that is considerably more than, say, an extra 10p or 15p or
    58        25p an hour which you get as you go up the scale,
    59        hopefully, with experience.  It is also rather more than,
    60        for instance, the 25p on the basic you get from 7.00 to

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