Day 007 - 06 Jul 94 - Page 73
1 might, for example, wish to stop using C02 because they
are concerned about the greenhouse effect, if they knew
2 they could sell their product to the McDonald's
Corporation? Would that not be a factor in them
3 continuing to use that damaging greenhouse gas?
A. Well, the place that we would get it from would not be
4 using C02. It would be a bi-product of their necessary
production process. For instance, if they burned coal or
5 LP or whatever they may burn to produce energy, a natural
bi-product of that process of burning is C02. So we would
6 take and recycle it after that process and then use it.
So it is not like -- nobody is making C02 to market to
7 us. That is not the intention at all.
8 Q. You do not think McDonald's would get tainted with this
support for this, whatever process it is that you get it
9 as a bi-product, would you not be seen to be supporting a
process that maybe should not be happening?
10 A. I cannot imagine. No. You have to produce energy,
unless you do not want electricity. There are necessary
11 processes that will we can possibly draw the raw materials
from. It has nothing to do with our demand.
12
Q. So what is better about C02 than, say, compared with
13 pentane environmentally?
A. There are trade offs with both. You are concerned
14 with releases of hydrocarbons, that that is a greenhouse
gas. It is flammable. I have heard Brian Lipsett making
15 accusations that it presents a dangerous manufacturing
environment. So C02 is an inert gas to the point it is
16 not flammable, but it has environmental impacts just as
hydrocarbons do.
17
Q. But it definitely you feel on balance would be better than
18 pentane environmentally?
A. Because of our use of a recycled material that we
19 would not be in a net contributor, yes, I do feel it would
be better.
20
Q. Would environmental groups campaigning or making public
21 concern over the use of CFCs before the Montreal
convention?
22 A. I started at Perseco in the fall of 1987, so I would
not be aware.
23
Q. So that convention was in 1987 and McDonald's said they
24 would try to phase out CFCs by 18 months?
A. Correct.
25
Q. Why are there still countries now using HCFCs in their
26 blowing agents?
A. Because HCFCs are not CFCs.
27
Q. Yes. I apologise for that. But it has subsequently --
28 all right. HCFCs are still known to be damaging, yes?
A. HCFCs have an environmental impact also, yes.
29
Q. Everything has an environmental impact, does it not?
30 A. Yes.
