Day 184 - 06 Nov 95 - Page 38


     
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     2   MR. MORRIS:  During this whole unionisation, people joined the
     3        union, 67 out of 102 -- we do not know the exact figure;
     4        I think that is in the official documents of the Labour
     5        Board -- a majority of the staff joined the union; there
     6        were meetings going on, discussions going on, everybody
     7        knew each other, or not everybody, but people knew each
     8        other, had a common background?  Management, you said,
     9        would have told Cam if they had heard about it?
    10        A.  That is what they said, I do not know.
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    12   Q.   They said that.  OK.  You have said that Cam Ballantyne was
    13        close to the staff?  He made a point of being much more in
    14        contact than the previous Manager; is that correct?
    15        A.  Yes, well, he was in the store every day.
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    17   Q.   So it would be an absolute miracle if Cam Ballantyne did
    18        know what was going on, would it not?
    19        A.  No, it would not be a miracle.  It is just Sarah told
    20        everyone to keep it quiet, so everyone did keep it quiet.
    21        I mean, and as for the meetings, I mean, Sarah only invited
    22        certain people to these meetings.  At the first meeting she
    23        made it, you know, she made a couple of pointers, like:
    24         "Well, we will get these people to sign up these people
    25        because they are their friends" and, you know, things like
    26        that.
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    28        Those meetings, since there were only certain people
    29        involved, like, I do not think Chris or Sean Darby would go
    30        and tell Cam:  "Hey, there is a unionisation attempt".  She
    31        strictly told, I mean, from what I feel, she strictly told
    32        and tried to sign people who she knew she could either
    33        intimidate or knew that, you know, were with her, you know,
    34        for the union.
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    36   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  We will break off there unless there is
    37        something special you want to ask before one o'clock.
    38        (To the witness):  When you drive into Orangeville, does it
    39        have a sign "Orangeville" or "Welcome to Orangeville" with
    40        "POP" for population and then a number?
    41        A.  Yes.
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    43   Q.   What is it?
    44        A.  I believe it is 18,500 right now.
    45
    46   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Two o'clock.
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    48                         (Luncheon Adjournment)
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    50   MR. MORRIS:   We were discussing before the break about how you 
    51        had been working at McDonald's for five years and 
    52        management had been putting over their point of view about 
    53        how things should go.  You said it had made an impression
    54        on you.  Did you ever feel that your independence of mind
    55        had been taken away by management while you were working at
    56        McDonald's?
    57        A.  No.
    58
    59   Q.   You are quite a robust person, are you?
    60        A.  I think I am.  I moved out at the age of 18, and most

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