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     1        packaging it.
     2
     3   Q.   So, for example, the transportation of office stationery or
     4        place mats or promotional items, toilet rolls, the
     5        packaging that transports those is also addition?
     6
     7   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That is what he has just said.
     8
     9   MR. MORRIS:  Helen said I ought to clarify it.  Including food
    10        products that are not ----
    11        A.  Food products are not handled by Perseco.
    12
    13   Q.   The ones that are not handled by Perseco also for
    14        transportation.  Also all the food products are not handled
    15        by Perseco?
    16        A.  Yes.
    17
    18   Q.   So the transportation packaging for food products ----
    19        A.  For food products is not handled by us.
    20
    21   Q.   --- is not included in the figures?
    22        A.  So not included in these figures, that is correct.
    23
    24   Q.   Do you know about the transportation of the food products,
    25        what kind of packaging is used; whether you use
    26        corrugated?
    27        A.  I know of it but I would not have details of that.
    28
    29   Q.   Do you know if corrugated paperboard, for example, or
    30        carton board, whatever, is used?
    31        A.  I know that for several products carton boxes,
    32        corrugated boxes, are used, yes, for instance for fries or
    33        for burgers, but I could not tell you any details on it.
    34
    35   Q.   Would the volume of the packaging for transporting food
    36        products be round about equivalent for the volume of
    37        packaging for transporting the packaging, if you know what
    38        I am saying, or greater?
    39        A.  The transport packaging of food would be larger than
    40        the transport packaging used for packaging, but I could not
    41        tell you more than that.
    42
    43   Q.   If we move on to 8, this is the questionnaire which you
    44        did, yes?
    45        A.  Yes.
    46
    47   Q.   In 1992.  This was on the basis of -- you drew up this
    48        chart which was in your recently disclosed, well, yesterday
    49        I think it was, whenever, documents.  If we just compare it
    50        with page 2 of that other pile of documents which we could 
    51        call maybe your supplementary list or something, you went 
    52        through them, I think Mr. Rampton took you through them 
    53        earlier on.  Do you have that in front of you?
    54        A.  Yes.
    55
    56   Q.   Apart from napkins sourced in the UK which you said were
    57        mostly post-consumer recycled?
    58        A.  Yes.
    59
    60   Q.   Yes?  When you say "mostly" do you mean 60 per cent, 80 per

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