Day 005 - 04 Jul 94 - Page 33


     
     1        is going to be here or hereabouts.  So, what I suggest you
              and Miss Steel think about is whether you must, in
     2        fairness to your case, ask them now or later, perhaps
              after you have heard the specific witnesses.
     3
         MR. MORRIS:  There are reasons for asking these questions now.
     4        We are not going in detail into those subjects.  We are
              just bringing out some of the issues.
     5
         MR. RAMPTON:  There is this to be said -- I do not argue with
     6        what your Lordship is saying at all -- questions to which
              Mr. Preston does not know the answer, fair enough, he will
     7        say he does not know the answer.  But there is also this
              problem, that both the questions which Mr. Morris has
     8        asked, as the next witness Mr. Kouchoukos will show, are
              both based on false premises.  That is the problem.
     9
         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  We will see where we get. If you can
    10        possibly answer a question which Mr.Morris or Miss Steel
              asks you then of course do so.
    11        A.   I will.
 
    12   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If the answer is that you really do not
              know, equally do not hesitate to say that.
    13        A.  All right.
 
    14   MR. MORRIS:  I just want to ask some general questions. Do you
              accept that a large volume of McDonald's packaging
    15        throughout the late'80s did use CFCs of which you later
              changed the composition, and many countries started using
    16        HCFCs?
              A.  I would accept that we used in the history of
    17        polystyrene packaging either CFCs, HCFCs or Pentane as a
              blowing agent.  That is all I would accept.  As to
    18        quantity and where, I do not know what we use, where in
              every case.  I am sorry.
    19
         Q.   But in general you recognise that McDonald's had used, by
    20        bulk, a large percentage in their packaging of styrofoam
              using CFC blowing agent in the'80s?
    21        A. I do know this. Styrofoam as a component of our entire
              packaging is tiny.
    22
         Q.   We are talking about the use of CFCs in McDonald's
    23        packaging. Let us start again. You have used CFCs in your
              packaging in the'80s?
    24        A.   We have used CFCs, HCFCs, and Pentane as blowing
              agents in polystyrene packaging, yes.
    25
         Q.   Are you aware worldwide whether at one time McDonald's was 
    26        using CFCs in the majority of its styrofoam packaging? 
              A.   I do not know. 
    27
         Q.   Do you accept that CFCs and HCFCs are damaging to the
    28        ozone layer in the world?
              A.  I think you have to talk to the technical people about
    29        that. I do not know.
 
    30   Q.   Do you accept it is the general scientific opinion that
              HCFCs and CFCs are damaging to the ozone layer?

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