Day 128 - 24 May 95 - Page 34


     
     1   Q.   You said that you felt there were implications, in the
     2        analysis of the RIDDOR figures, for reductions or
     3        preventative measures in relation to other accidents that
     4        were not RIDDOR accidents?
     5        A.  Yes.
     6
     7   Q.   Do you remember that?
     8        A.  Yes.
     9
    10   Q.   But the less severe accident statistics, you would accept,
    11        would have burns as a large category, so the reduction of
    12        RIDDOR accidents is not going to have any impact on that,
    13        is it?
    14        A.  So you are saying that there are not many burns under
    15        the RIDDOR categories, therefore, we cannot learn enough to
    16        impact on the other burns that are minor ones?  Is that
    17        correct?
    18
    19   Q.   If you are trying to reduce RIDDOR accidents, but burns are
    20        not included in those, apart from maybe occasional ones,
    21        you are not likely to have much of an impact in reducing
    22        burns, are you?
    23        A.  Not if we were just depending on those RIDDOR
    24        statistics for developing our action plan, which we are
    25        not.  As I explained yesterday, the other way we have of
    26        gathering information is to use safety audits, and it is a
    27        lot more exact to gather information from those, where we
    28        know we have gone out and we have gathered the information
    29        in terms of how people are working, as opposed to depending
    30        on finding out, or whether the accident has had the bad
    31        luck to develop into something that has been serious enough
    32        to be included in the RIDDOR statistics.
    33
    34        Accident statistics are just one of the forms that we use
    35        to gather information.
    36
    37   Q.   The safety audits that are carried out, is there a specific
    38        form for those?
    39        A.  Yes, they were first introduced in August 1993, and
    40        they are in a specific format.
    41
    42   Q.   Are they part of another document or are they, like,
    43        free-standing?
    44        A.  Both.  The safety audit can be used on its own, which
    45        it is done, and it is used in that way by my people.
    46        I believe it is also part of what we call a "rolling grade
    47        package", which is the overall quarterly audit carried out
    48        on everything that the store does.
    49
    50   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Are you asking whether there was a specific 
    51        audit form --- 
    52 
    53   MS. STEEL:  Yes.
    54
    55   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  -- for the safety audit?
    56
    57   MS. STEEL:  Yes.
    58
    59   THE WITNESS:  Yes, there is.
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