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1 what one witness said or what another said. If
2 Mr. Walker's evidence were to be interpreted as an
3 indication that from time to time processed beef is passed
4 on to the distribution centre which has a total colony
5 count of more than 10 million per gramme, would that accord
6 with your experience?
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8 THE WITNESS: I would disagree with that statement.
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10 MR. MORRIS: You disagree.
11 A. Can I try again to clarify the situation?
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13 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes, say what you want to say.
14 A. Just once more. The McDonald's specification on the
15 finished hamburger patty for total count is a maximum of 10
16 million. We will not take product that exceeds that.
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18 MR. MORRIS: You say, yes.
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20 MR. JUSTICE BELL: That his evidence, Mr. Morris.
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22 MR. MORRIS: That was Mr. Walker's evidence as well. It has
23 certainly changed.
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25 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You must let him give his evidence without
26 interjecting things like "you say". It is his evidence and
27 at the end of the day I will judge whether it is reliable
28 or not. Do not bother, Mr. Rampton.
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30 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, I do bother because Mr. Morris is very
31 free with his accusations of dishonesty against witnesses,
32 and if he is making such an accusation against this witness
33 then he should deal with it and let the witness deal with
34 it. That is what "you say" means in my language.
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36 MR. MORRIS: Well, you just said ----
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38 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I want him to finish to what he was going to
39 say. Neither you nor I is giving evidence. The witness is.
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41 THE WITNESS: That is the McDonald's specification, 10 million,
42 total count per gramme of finished product. We will not
43 take product if it exceeds that specification.
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45 MR. MORRIS: You have not got one example that you know in your
46 experience where you have ever rejected meat containing
47 more than 10 million bacterial count?
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49 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You must let him finish.
50 A. That is what the McDonald's specification is. I think
51 you have got that. What Mr. Walker would have been
52 referring to is the McKey specification which is what they
53 put as their own internal limit on the meat that comes in
54 the back door of their restaurant which they process into
55 our products, so they can be sure that at the end of the
56 day when they test our products all of them do not exceed
57 our specification and they have to chuck them away. What
58 they do is they do their own testing at the beginning of
59 the chain. What they have done is actually set, very
60 cleverly, a stricter limit than on the finished product, so
