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     1        asked you a question about the other forest, the Devon one;
     2          I think that would be woodland defined by Mr. Mallinson's
     3        standard?
     4        A.  It would be, yes.
     5
     6   Q.   Very well.  It may not matter.  If you basically agree with
     7        Mr. Mallinson's terms, or agree with the way he used the
     8        terms or in general use ----?
     9        A.  That is OK by me.
    10
    11   Q.   - among the experts, then if you could follow the same
    12        regime, as it were, it would help.
    13        A.  I will try to.
    14
    15   MR. MORRIS:  I think the distinction between natural as woodland
    16        and plantation as forest probably is not very helpful in
    17        terms of something we compared to Mr. Mallinson's evidence,
    18        because I think we have used the terms "natural forest" or
    19        "plantation forest".  So, it might be helpful if we --
    20        would it be fair to say that something that is small
    21        isolated woods could be called "woodland" but something
    22        that is larger becomes a "forest"?
    23
    24   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Let us see how we go.
    25
    26   MR. MORRIS:  So, you have been visiting UK forests; you were
    27        explaining what you do when you visit?
    28        A.  Yes.  Normally I will walk around the boundary; then
    29        I will try to take a straightest line as I can right
    30        through the middle of the woodland or the forest to try to
    31        see what is there.  I take a straight line so I am not
    32        using the pathways that are in the woodland or forest.
    33        I think that gives me a better idea what is happening if
    34        I do a straight line right through the middle and out the
    35        other side.
    36
    37   Q.   What do you look for?
    38        A.  I will be looking for what management has been done.
    39        The first thing I would look for is probably, well,
    40        obviously whether it is a broad leaf or coniferous forest
    41        or woodland.  If it is a coniferous forest, is it on
    42        agricultural land or is it on land that was previously
    43        broad leaf woodland?  I am looking for the management
    44        regime there.  I am looking to see how much the management
    45        regime has affected the biodiversity or is making
    46        allowances for the biodiversity.  I am looking at the
    47        quality of the timber from a commercial point of view.
    48        I am also looking for things like timber and fallen timber,
    49        dead timber, rotting timber, which is very important for a
    50        lot of fungi, and vertebrates, things like that. 
    51 
    52   Q.   I want to move on.  We will come back to the UK when we 
    53        deal with that.  I want to move through the statement.
    54        I am going to skate through most of it, if you are happy
    55        with that, Mr. Hopkins.  If I miss anything out that you
    56        want to highlight on a particular page but it is all taken
    57        as evidence as it is.
    58
    59   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What I am most interested in -- I say "most
    60        interested in" -- is where and how what Mr. Hopkins can say

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