Day 095 - 02 Mar 95 - Page 22


     
     1   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Then Ms. Steel wanted to put you the second
     2        one, "many sows are chained to the floor".  What do you say
     3        to that?  In your experience, are many sows in the States
     4        chained to the floor?
     5        A.  No, I have never seen a single one.
     6
     7   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  We will take the five-minute break there.
     8
     9   MS. STEEL:  I was just going to say, I am just checking that
    10        I have finished this document, but then there is just the
    11        video to do.
    12
    13   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What I was going to say, the purpose of the
    14        five-minute break, although I am sure we are all glad to be
    15        able to stretch our legs, is really to give Miss Foot a bit
    16        of a break.  So, I would like you and Mr. Morris to use
    17        part of it to make sure Mr. Rampton, Mr. Atkinson and
    18        Mrs. Brinley-Codd do know exactly which film you are
    19        referring to.
    20
    21                       (Short Adjournment)
    22
    23   MS. STEEL:  If we go on to the video, it may be easier if
    24        Dr. Gomez Gonzalez comes over.  I should say that the video
    25        was made in the early 80s.  It is also footage from the UK
    26        and the US.  It is not just  -----
    27
    28   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  From the?
    29
    30   MS. STEEL:  Some of it is from the United States and some of it
    31        is from the UK.
    32
    33   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Right, now you propose to show bits and then
    34        ask Mrs. Brinley-Codd if she can stop and then ask a
    35        question, do you?
    36
    37   MS. STEEL:  Yes, yes.
    38
    39   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If you can manage that way, it would be much
    40        appreciated because we only need go through the film once.
    41        If at any stage, Dr. Gomez Gonzalez, you say that you would
    42        like to see the whole film, you are entitled to do that,
    43        just as you would be entitled to read the whole of a
    44        document before being asked any point of it, but I would be
    45        grateful if you can avoid that if at all possible.
    46
    47   MS. STEEL:  The whole film is about all sorts of other things as
    48        well, like vivisection and things like that.
    49
    50   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, all right.  All the relevant parts of 
    51        it. 
    52                     (Video recording was shown) 
    53
    54   MS. STEEL:  Could you stop it for a second?  Is that correct
    55        that one half of all dairy cows in the United States are
    56        permanently confined indoors?
    57        A.  I do not know.
    58
    59   Q.   You do not know?
    60        A.  I have not seen, they are in confinement, but in close

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