Day 192 - 27 Nov 95 - Page 47
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2 MR. MORRIS: She said that on 28th September at an OSAID meeting
3 at school she asked you for her card back?
4 A. No, she did not.
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6 Q. Did she ever ask you for her card back?
7 A. No.
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9 Q. What actually happened about this asking for cards back?
10 A number of the witnesses (if not all of them) for the
11 Plaintiffs -- they have got 20 witnesses who made
12 statements, the ones they made at the Labour Board -- many
13 of them have said that they were promised their cards back
14 and they demanded their cards back but did not get them.
15 Can you just explain -----
16 A. They were never promised their cards back. One of the
17 arguments McDonald's and Ballantyne's lawyers made at the
18 first day of the Labour Board was that under 18-year-olds
19 should not be allowed to sign the cards, and then they went
20 and they said under 18-year-olds can ask for the cards
21 back, but 18-year-olds and over cannot. But that was
22 thrown out.
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24 Q. Thrown out by who?
25 A. The chair person of the Labour Board, that under
26 18-year-olds were not allowed to sign cards. I believe
27 that was probably where they got that argument from.
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29 Q. So is it any -----
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31 MR. JUSTICE BELL: If someone signs a cards and then, for
32 whatever reason, changed their mind, why should they not
33 have their card back or ask to have their card torn up?
34 A. That did happen in one incident with Trevor Denys,
35 where he signed a card and he came to my house and he said,
36 "Listen, I want my card back", and I said to him, I
37 said, "I cannot give you your card back, but I can rip it
38 up for you in front of you"; and I did.
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40 But once they are out of my hands -- because what was
41 happening is, I was gathering cards and then I would give
42 them to Rui Amorim, and then he had to deal with them.
43 Once they were out of my hands, I could not get them back
44 for them or tear them up for them, you know.
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46 But Sabina never asked me for her card back or for it to be
47 torn up. Michelle Wetli did, and I referred her to Rui
48 because I did not have her card.
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50 MR. MORRIS: Do you remember a conversation with, or did you
51 have a conversation with Sabina on a break at school, where
52 you asked her how could she leave you to hang and dry,
53 something like that? Do you remember anything about the
54 conversation?
55 A. No.
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57 Q. Did you say that?
58 A. What?
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60 Q. She asked for her card back, apparently, she says, and then
