Day 066 - 14 Dec 94 - Page 36


     
     1        A.  They do get some raw materials that are processed in
     2        Malaysia -- actually they used to, not any more.
     3
     4   Q.   They do not any more?
     5        A.  No, it is strictly because of economic reasons.
     6
     7   Q.   We see that it is reported that the Uruguayan people mostly
     8        give "yes" answers, including to the prod, but that they
     9        are said to use something -- have you that particular
    10        sheet?  It is the last one in the Malaysia section, section
    11        D?
    12        A.  Yes.
    13
    14   Q.   They are said to use as a method of stunning "electric
    15        hammer (knocker)"; do you know what that is?
    16        A.  I have been in that facility and it is actually captive
    17        bolt stunning.
    18
    19   Q.  This is in Montevedeo is it not?
    20        A.  Yes.  It might have been a translation from Spanish to
    21        English.
    22
    23   Q.   That is actually a captive bolt pistol?
    24        A.  But it is a captive bolt, yes.  Those people
    25        (inaudible).
    26
    27   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Would the Spanish word used for "captive
    28        bolt" translate to electric hammer or?
    29        A.  If you look at the device, it could look like a gun,
    30        because that is what it is, or it could look like a
    31        hammer.  What they do, the way they stun the animals, they
    32        go like this and touch them in the head, so it actually
    33        looks like a hammer.  That is why they describe it that
    34        way.
    35
    36   MR. RAMPTON:  Then can you please turn over to the next section,
    37        section E, which deals with Turkey?  We notice that it is
    38        partially from Turkey and it is partially imported.  Do you
    39        know this establishment in Turkey?
    40        A.  I have not been there, no.
    41
    42   Q.   We notice that they do not control the noise levels --
    43        perhaps they should -- and they do not protect them from
    44        cold or hot prior to slaughter.  Is that something you
    45        would like to see improved?
    46        A.  Especially the noise, yes.
    47
    48   Q.   The noise, yes?
    49        A.  Yes.
    50 
    51   Q.   Then they write:  "Stunning is not practiced according to 
    52        religious slaughtering requirements"; then we see:  "Are 
    53        animals slaughtered under religious requirements", Halal,
    54        Kosher, etcetera.   "Yes".  Can I ask you this, in case we
    55        do not know:  Does the Halal method of slaughtering exclude
    56        prior stunning?
    57        A.  Yes, it does, although that is not always followed.
    58
    59   Q.   Not always followed?
    60        A.  No, it is not consistent.  I have seen it applied in

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