Day 103 - 14 Mar 95 - Page 67


     
     1        there, does it not?
     2        A.  Yes, it is not minus four.
     3
     4   MR. MORRIS:  It must be plus four.  That is a finished product,
     5        is it?
     6        A.  Some of those are finished products; drum sticks would
     7        be.
     8
     9   Q.   We notice then we have on the right-hand side the
    10        temperatures are 5, 6 and 5 ---
    11        A.  Yes.
    12
    13   Q.   -- for the afternoon products.  So, sometimes you sail
    14        pretty close to the wind, in fact, above your requirements,
    15        do you not?
    16        A.  The temperatures that are recorded are reacted to, and
    17        if there is product above the temperature, as I have
    18        explained before, we would go back into the blast chillers.
    19
    20   Q.   It does not say "failed", though, under that one, for
    21        example, it says "pass"?
    22        A.  I am sorry that our paper work does not quite meet your
    23        requirements.
    24
    25   Q.   No, no, on the previous one it said "fail".  This is in the
    26        middle for the 6.53 batch, or whatever time -- no, 6.15
    27        time, sorry.  This is the whole bird, saddles, thighs, drum
    28        sticks and product temperatures.  The first one failed but
    29        the second one passed and it was well above your
    30        requirement of four degrees.  It was five degrees and six
    31        degrees?
    32        A.  That "fail" and "pass" does not refer to that
    33        particular ---
    34
    35   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It is on a different line, is it not?
    36        A.  -- that refers to the machine performance.
    37
    38   MR. MORRIS:  I see.
    39
    40   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  CCP051 over the page, high temperature on
    41        sandwich, and it was placed in the blast.  That is your 5,
    42        6 and 5 column on CCP051 at 1.30, by the look of it.  So,
    43        it was placed in the blast to cool it down.  Is that what
    44        the documentation means to you?
    45        A.  That is correct, yes.
    46
    47   MR. MORRIS:  I think we have finished with those documents.
    48
    49   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Where are we now in the cross-examination of
    50        Dr. Pattison? 
    51 
    52   MR. MORRIS:  First of all, we would like to say we are sorry for 
    53        Dr. Pattison to have to take so long, but again it is part
    54        of the problem that there are two parts of the case here,
    55        we are talking about animal welfare and hygiene.  A lot of
    56        documents were gone through in the -----
    57
    58   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Leave that.  Just tell me where you are.
    59        What I really need to know is what topics you have got.
    60        (To the witness):  Do you come up to London every now and

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