Day 117 - 27 Apr 95 - Page 17
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2 Q. -- one sees that 3, 4 and 5 for 18 or over is a fraction
3 of -- it is 9p, 5p and 1.4 of a penny over £2, do you see,
4 in their document for the 18 year year-olds plus, whichever
5 group we look in?
6 A. Yes, we were.
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8 Q. Whichever group of yours we look at for over 18s, it is
9 £2.22 or above?
10 A. Yes. What used to happen is we used to get a Green
11 Paper from the Wages Council around about April which gave
12 the proposed minimum rate. At that time I would
13 independently myself, my own Company, do a comparison
14 between our rates of pay, the rates of pay in the rest of
15 the industry and the rates of pay on the high street
16 generally.
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18 Then I would go in with recommendations to the Chief
19 Executive Officer and we would then discuss, and he would
20 settle, he authorised the rate of pay. Then when the White
21 Paper came out in early June, I would submit what we had
22 decided was our minimum rates. This was the rate paid to a
23 recruit for his first 21 days.
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25 Q. And if he is working at the lowest rate which is the day
26 time?
27 A. Yes, and then we enhanced them for the evening rate,
28 the premium rate.
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30 Q. I think that saves an awful lot of looking at paper. It is
31 right, is it not, as we will see in a moment by way of
32 example, that the only rate of pay at McDonald's which is
33 the same as, rather than more than, the prescribed minimum
34 rate is the daily rate in the provinces for the 18
35 year-olds?
36 A. The daily rate in the provinces for 18 year-olds would
37 be at the recommended minimum, maybe 2 or 3p more on
38 occasions, but, generally, the minimum rate set down by the
39 Wages Council would be the starting pay for the daily rate
40 in Provincial restaurants.
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42 MR. MORRIS: I may have missed that but did we refer to what the
43 provinces paid anywhere?
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45 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No. Mr. Rampton asked the question a few
46 minutes ago as to whether Mr. Nicholson knew where one
47 might find Outer London and the provinces, and you did not
48 seem to know, Mr. Nicholson?
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50 THE WITNESS: No.
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52 MR. RAMPTON: Not for this year.
53 A. That was all I could find.
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55 Q. If Mr. Morris is interested, there is an example at tab 27,
56 page 666, where we have the figures for outside London but
57 not for anywhere else, as it happens?
58 A. Yes. That is for the next year.
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60 Q. That is for 1987. Then if you turn, Mr. Nicholson, to page
