Day 188 - 15 Nov 95 - Page 76
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2 "12. Dismissal of trade unionists. I was told
3 to 'fuck off somewhere else', when I confronted
4 the manager with the theft of the leaflets that
5 I previously described. I in fact left that
6 night. I have no other examples.
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8 "13. Other employees asked to join a trade
9 union. I asked everyone except the crew section
10 leaders. This was in May. I do not know their
11 names. I asked them in the mess room breaks and
12 at the end of the shift."
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14 It is not dated.
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16 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Right. Well, let us call it a day there.
17 You can read Mr. McCann next week, when you are calling
18 Irish witnesses. 10.30 on Monday.
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20 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, there is only one thing. I am sorry. I
21 was looking at Harry Lamb's statement, who is coming on
22 Thursday. Its last paragraph contains a rather curious
23 statement. I just do not know what it means. I do not
24 know if your Lordship can throw any light on it?
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26 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Let me just find it.
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28 MR. RAMPTON: Number 18, I think. Sorry, 29.
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30 MS. STEEL: Do you want us to explain?
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32 MR. RAMPTON: No, I do not.
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34 MR. MORRIS: I know what it means, so it is better that
35 I explain, surely?
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37 MR. RAMPTON: She says: "I am aware that McDonald's have given
38 an undertaking to the court that any contribution I make to
39 the case is covered by legal privilege." If that means she
40 cannot be sued for what she says in court, of course, it is
41 absolutely right. I do not know what else it can mean.
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43 MR. MORRIS: If I explain, as I talked to her about it. She
44 said she wanted a guarantee that she will be protected
45 appearing as a witness, because she was sued by McDonald's
46 and forced to make an apology, or whatever, for things she
47 had written in the past; and part of that agreement of
48 course was not to repeat any of the things she had said
49 before. So she said she would appear as a witness, but
50 only if she had a guarantee that she would be protected as
51 a witness from giving, you know, evidence in the witness
52 box; and I said, I reassured her. My understanding was --
53 and I think I did raise this earlier on in the case, in
54 fact -- that she would be covered by legal privilege, i.e.,
55 she is protected for what she says in the witness box.
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57 MR. JUSTICE BELL: What I suggest is that we take that out of
58 her statement, because her understanding is wrong, in that
59 McDonald's have not given an undertaking. You correctly
60 explained the law to her.
