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1 part. I have to look at the entire process. We do not
2 make assumptions like that. We do not draw conclusions
3 like that on just one little thing.
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5 Q. So it is possible for your suppliers to have chickens five
6 to a cage like that and, as long as everything else is OK
7 such as the feed or whatever, you would be quite happy in
8 terms of animal welfare?
9 A. I told you our suppliers do not have that. I am not
10 going to speculate.
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12 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I am going to stop you there because it is
13 far too hypothetical a question.
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15 MS. STEEL: Except that Dr. Gomez Gonzalez does not know how
16 they are organised.
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18 MR. RAMPTON: I have to say (I do not want to waste time) that
19 Dr. Gomez Gonzalez has made a number of positive assertions
20 about the conditions in which the animals supplied for
21 McDonald's use are kept, the conditions in which they are
22 slaughtered. I have not heard a single direct challenge to
23 any of his evidence on these matters. All I have heard is
24 theoretical hypothesis.
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26 MS. STEEL: We know in this country they are kept five to a
27 cage.
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29 MR. JUSTICE BELL: But you have Dr. Gomez Gonzalez in the
30 witness box now, figuratively speaking. It is to him you
31 are directing your questions. You say it is a hypothetical
32 question. You said that except Dr. Gomez Gonzalez does not
33 know how they are organised, which underlines it. It is
34 hypothesis upon hypothesis so far as that question is
35 concerned.
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37 MR. MORRIS: He is the international meat quality purchasing
38 director in this country. They have admitted using five a
39 cage.
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41 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You must move on with your cross-examination.
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43 MS. STEEL: If you could fast forward reviewing, please, and
44 stop as soon as you get sight of a pig. Yes. Play from
45 there.
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47 (The video recording continued).
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49 MS. STEEL: Pause there. The crate that is shown there, that
50 would be fairly typical, would it not?
51 A. No, I have only a little piece of the picture.
52 I cannot make an assumption what is behind that. You can
53 move forward and it shows that I can tell you.
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55 MR. JUSTICE BELL: We could in fact see part of the crate.
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57 (The video recording continued).
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59 MS. STEEL: If you just pause there. The crate that you saw
60 there ----
