Day 093 - 28 Feb 95 - Page 11


     
     1   MS. STEEL:   If Mr. Rampton wants this to take five times as
     2        long as it needs to -----
     3
     4   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I suggest you point out a part of the -- I do
     5        not think it need take any longer.  In fact, you did it
     6        with Mr. Morris when the point was taken and Mr. Morris did
     7        it with a report, we got through it jolly quickly, in
     8        fact.  Which one is the one you want to go to now?  Is it
     9        this one?
    10
    11   MS. STEEL:   Yes.
    12
    13   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I will call that "B" and I will call the
    14        other "C" on the basis we are going to come to the other.
    15        Anyway, it is document B.  Refer Dr. Gomez to the part you
    16        want and then just put the suggestion to him.
    17
    18   MS. STEEL (To the witness):  If you could look at the third
    19        paragraph, the first sentence for starters, would you
    20        accept that?
    21        A.  The paragraph to start with "Chickens"?
    22
    23   Q.   Yes.
    24
    25   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You are being asked "chickens can recognise".
    26
    27   MS. STEEL:  Yes.
    28
    29   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  The way you could put it, do you accept a
    30        chicken can recognise and remember about 100 of other
    31        chickens?
    32        A.  I was on a different paragraph -- probably so.
    33
    34   MS. STEEL:   Probably?
    35        A.  Yes.  I do not know.  I have not seen the data that
    36        will indicate how many numbers of the chickens can they
    37        remember.
    38
    39   Q.   They can remember lots anyway?
    40        A.  100 is not a lot.
    41
    42   Q.   Would you accept:  "Chickens enjoy playing with toys,
    43        preferring balls with faces over plain balls"?
    44        A.  No.
    45
    46   Q.   Is that because you do not know about it?
    47        A.  No, because I know that chickens feed; it is not that
    48        they enjoy.  You can put a ball or a toy in front of a
    49        chicken.  You will think as a human, because you think as a
    50        human that he is playing with a toy, but he is really not 
    51        playing.  The chicken itself thinks it is food; he thinks 
    52        it is feed.  It is pecking on it, it is picking on it.  It 
    53        does not mean he is playing with it or that he is happy
    54        with it.
    55
    56   Q.   Would you accept:  "Some chickens like listening to
    57        classical music"?
    58        A.  OK, no.
    59
    60   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Pause a moment.

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