Day 245 - 07 May 96 - Page 69


     
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     2        Do you assume that everyone is going to believe what you
     3        say as soon as you say it?
     4        A.  No.
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     6   Q.   As Mr. Morris has said, you are aware that there is plenty
     7        of contrary statements in this case, that we have got 65,
     8        70 witnesses, experts on nutrition, experts on rainforests,
     9        experts on advertising, ex-employees, who are all saying
    10        that basically the criticisms are justified?
    11        A.  That is a matter for his Lordship.  He has to sort that
    12        out.
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    14   Q.   Yes, but are you seriously saying that we are putting
    15        forward all these people who confirm their belief that what
    16        the leaflet is saying is true and yet we think that it is a
    17        pack of lies?
    18        A.  I believe you know what is in that leaflet is not true.
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    20   Q.   You have got absolutely no basis for that at all, have
    21        you?
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    23   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  We are going over the same ground here
    24        really.  I am not stopping you because I am suggesting you
    25        do not have an argument.  It is argument.  Once Mr. Preston
    26        has given his answers for better or worse it becomes
    27        argument.
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    29   MS. STEEL:   Can you think of any reason why we would want to
    30        spend five years of our lives, over 2 years in court
    31        virtually every day, and certainly the case has taken up
    32        virtually every day of our lives, defending something that
    33        we thought was a pack of lies?
    34        A.  I cannot answer for you.
    35
    36   Q.   No, because it is a load of rubbish.  Can I just go through
    37        your statement and just pick up on a few points that
    38        I wanted to ask about.
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    40        In the first paragraph, you say you have seen some of the
    41        literature circulated by the Defendants, by London
    42        Greenpeace and the McLibel Support Campaign both before and
    43        during the trial.  Which particular leaflets have you seen
    44        which you know were distributed by us?
    45        A.  Well, I know that the appendices 1 I am sure you were
    46        involved with, the background aims and ideals of the
    47        organisation.
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    49   Q.   Can I just stop you.  To save time, can you not give any
    50        evidence about things that you suppose.  Can you only give 
    51        evidence about things that you know we personally did. 
    52        A.  Well, if I ---- 
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    54   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Well, hold on, I am not sure that is right.
    55        If you are just asking what he personally knows from his
    56        own direct observation then that is one thing.
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    58   MS. STEEL:   I am asking that, yes.
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    60   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You have to appreciate that is only part of

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