Day 034 - 11 Oct 94 - Page 55


     
     1        simple, declarative statement that tobacco seriously
     2        damages health, although it is not specific as to in what
     3        way.
     4
     5   Q.   I am talking about what is on the back?
     6        A.  I see.  The back says "Smoking causes cancer".
     7
     8   Q.   So it does; what I want to know is whether you see a
     9        distinction between that statement about smoking and the
    10        statement about diet which is contained in the McDonald's
    11        document of 1985?
    12        A.  The document goes into more detail to try, perhaps, to
    13        lay the ground work for the reader, saying not simply that
    14        one thing leads to the other, but there is a considerable
    15        amount of evidence to suggest that many of the diseases
    16        which are more common in western affluent -----
    17
    18   Q.   Do you see a distinction, Dr. Barnard, between suspicion
    19        and guilt?
    20        A.  I think I am able to understand the difference.
    21
    22   Q.   Do you see not see precisely that distinction between
    23        these two forms of statement to which I have drawn your
    24        attention?
    25        A.  Let me take a moment and make sure that I am reading
    26        this properly.  The sentence from the McDonald's booklet
    27        seems to convey, at least on my reading, more than
    28        suspicion but less than conclusive evidence.
    29
    30   Q.   Thank you.  If you would not mind, if I may add an
    31        autobiographical note, I would not mind having that sleeve
    32        back otherwise the contents will collapse in my pocket
    33        later on.  In due course, but do not let us delay matters
    34        at the moment.  Thank you very much.  (Handed)  Your
    35        qualifications?
    36        A.  Would you like me to hold this booklet?
    37
    38   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No.
    39
    40   MR. RAMPTON:  No, I am so sorry.  We can put it right back.  We
    41        shall not need it again while I am on my feet.
    42        A.  Thank you.
    43
    44   Q.   As I understand it, Dr. Barnard, do I mispronounce your
    45        name -- should it be Barnard?
    46        A.  No, I say Barnard.
    47
    48   Q.   You do say Barnard.  Your qualifications to give evidence
    49        in this case, as I have understood it -- you correct me if
    50        I am wrong -- are these:  There are two of them; the first 
    51        is that you have a First Degree in medicine, general 
    52        medicine; is that right? 
    53        A.  I received my Doctor of Medicine Degree in 1980.
    54
    55   Q.   You qualified as a medical doctor, what in this country we
    56        call perhaps a general medical practitioner; is that about
    57        right?
    58
    59   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  A doctor of medicine in this country is a
    60        postgraduate degree ---

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