Day 062 - 06 Dec 94 - Page 28


     
     1        was our tree expert -- in a different way and came up with
     2        a figure 1.41 or 1.42 square miles, so perhaps there is not
     3        that much water between you.  Overall, assuming that
     4        McDonald's continues to expand -- let me start from perhaps
     5        a slightly different direction.  We noticed when we looked
     6        at your chart for corrugated packaging, transport
     7        packaging, that though the amount of corrugated transport
     8        packaging was increasing over a three-year period, the
     9        amount of virgin fibre was actually decreasing in absolute
    10        terms?
    11        A.  Yes.
    12
    13   Q.   I wonder if you are able to make a prediction or an
    14        estimate of what may happen overall in relation to virgin
    15        fibre and its proportion to recycled fibre in McDonald's
    16        packaging?
    17        A.  In transportation packaging it will slowly at this
    18        point in time go down even further, the virgin use, I would
    19        say.  Probably at this point in time, the absolute usage
    20        will stay approximately similar because the progress that
    21        can be made is not that much harder.  The growth that
    22        McDonald's will have is probably a little bit faster than
    23        what we experience here.  I stated before in sales
    24        packaging, so the products that we sell to McDonald's, the
    25        shift will there be that products that currently cannot be
    26        made of recycled products in future may be made of recycled
    27        material because of the fact that the raw material can be
    28        better controlled, etc.
    29
    30   Q.   Might these Enso-Gutzeit's cups be an example or not?
    31        A.  For instance.
    32
    33   Q.   They are totally virgin fibre at the moment?
    34        A.  At this point in time they are still totally virgin
    35        fibre, yes.
    36
    37   Q.   Is that something you will be looking at in the future?
    38        A.  It is something that we have looked at and it is
    39        something that we are currently looking at.  So far, one of
    40        the main problems has been that if you make a cup of
    41        recycled material, you know, recycled material, you will
    42        generally still see some of the fibres.  A cup that is made
    43        of recycled fibre, you keep on thinking that there is
    44        little bits of hair or whatever is in there and that was
    45        not very hygienic.  It looked not very pleasant and so far,
    46        therefore, we have said:  "This is not a good possibility
    47        yet".
    48
    49        The second problem that you have at the moment with cups is
    50        the fact that there is a side -- if you have a cup, it is 
    51        formed round.  The side is actually going to be, although 
    52        the surface is covered with a plastic layer to prevent 
    53        leaking, the side of the board is actually open.  It is
    54        actually in contact with the liquid which will be inside.
    55        So, therefore, you have to have very much control over the
    56        contamination in that recycled content to -----
    57
    58   Q.   Just so that we have understood do you mean that where the
    59        seam is?
    60        A.  At the point of the seam, yes.

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