Day 033 - 10 Oct 94 - Page 59


     
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     2   Q.   I am going to move on to specific documents.  I do not
     3        know how I am going to organise this now.  May I have a
     4        couple of minutes?
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     6   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You can -- I will not leave court.  You are
     7        going to refer to some of the papers or publications which
     8        are already in and some of the ones anyway on the list of
     9        Defence documents which you handed in this morning?  What
    10        are you proposing to do?
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    12   MR. MORRIS:  What I am proposing to do, just because the sheer
    13        administrative task was too great, was to pick up the file
    14        with the 80 references and just very quickly flick through
    15        them 1, 2, 3, 4, and say: As we are going through point
    16        out the ones which you want the court to particularly
    17        notice, or something like that, rather than look at every
    18        document.  I do not know which ones the witness thinks are
    19        the most crucial to look at?
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    21   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, presumably those are the ones referred
    22        to in his statement. They all are in one sense.
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    24   MR. MORRIS:  They are all.
    25
    26   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I had assumed they are.  I have to say that
    27        I have looked at as we have been through the evidence,
    28        obviously wherever a witness has been referred to an
    29        article, I have marked whatever has been read out.  So
    30        that when I go through them again, I will look at that
    31        again.  Some of them I have read a bit more widely, but
    32        what I have not done, whenever I have been given a bundle
    33        of references, is just taken it home and read it from the
    34        beginning to end, because if I did that it might turn out
    35        I was wasting quite a lot of my time because neither side
    36        is relying on every single line and every single
    37        reference.
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    39   MR. MORRIS:  That is why I -----
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    41   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What I am rather reluctant about is the idea
    42        that you should just put a vast bundle, a considerable
    43        bundle of references in front of Dr. Barnard and say:  "Go
    44        through that and tell us what you think supports what you
    45        have said".  There must be a more efficient way of doing
    46        it.  To some extent, you can leave Mr. Rampton to
    47        cross-examine, in so far as he chooses to, on the
    48        references or some of them.
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    50   MR. MORRIS:  I thought the most expedient way of doing it would 
    51        be just to, as I say, flip through them until Dr. Barnard 
    52        said:  "I would like you to stop at this one, No. 6 and 
    53        I will refer you to this particular paragraph or
    54        whatever".
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    56   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Which bundle are you thinking of, orange IV?
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    58   MR. MORRIS:  I do not know.
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    60   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Have you got them all in one bundle?  Orange

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