Day 112 - 31 Mar 95 - Page 29


     
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     2   Q.   Yes.
     3        A.  To the right of that there is a hose pipe that is used
     4        for washing.
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     6   Q.   What is the sort of pressure from the hose pipe?  Is it as
     7        high as the pressure of carcass wash?
     8        A.  I never measured it.
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    10   Q.   No, I am not expecting you to give me pounds per square
    11        inch, but is it the same as an ordinary garden hose?
    12        A.  No, it would be definitely the kind of pressure that
    13        would damage flowers if you sprayed it on.
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    15   Q.   How does it compare with the pressure of the spray at the
    16        carcass wash where it is shown on the plan?
    17        A.  I would imagine, from experience, that the pressure at
    18        the carcass wash point was higher -- would be higher.
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    20   Q.   So you are saying that there was a wash point, it was
    21        washed before it got to inspection and before it would go
    22        into the detained room to be checked further, if necessary?
    23        A.  Yes.
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    25   Q.   In addition to the carcass wash which was after that point?
    26        A.  Yes, that is right.
    27
    28   Q.   Because it is fair enough, is it not, that apart from any
    29        point there may be about moisture in the air and things of
    30        that kind, if there was only one carcass wash and it was
    31        after the inspection point and after the detained room turn
    32        off, your criticisms would fall away, would they not?
    33        A.  Yes.  I do not criticise -- on a statutory basis
    34        I would not criticise the carcass wash that happens here to
    35        the right-hand side, the actual official carcass wash.  It
    36        has been -----
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    38   Q.   I understand.  I wanted to make sure I was not missing the
    39        point.
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    41   MS. STEEL:  Can I just make an observation which is, having
    42        looked at the regulation (p) which Mr. Rampton mentioned,
    43        he only read out one part of it.  I think it might be
    44        helpful if the whole of it was read.
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    46   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I will read it to myself.  I have read it.
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    48   MR. RAMPTON:  So have I.
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    50   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  The main point is that Ms. Hovi is saying 
    51        that there was a wash before the inspection and before the 
    52        detained room; that, she says, is capable of either 
    53        destroying evidence or spreading contamination before there
    54        has actually been an inspection by a meat inspector or the
    55        OVS, if required?
    56        A.  Yes.  The problem with this part of the carcass wash at
    57        this point was discussed several times with the Jarretts as
    58        well.  They claimed to me that it was a customer
    59        requirement, and that they would stand to lose a customer
    60        if I enforced the point and did not allow them to.

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