Day 060 - 02 Dec 94 - Page 71


     
     1        products.  Just pause there for a moment.
     2        A.  Yes.
     3
     4   Q.   But what you were saying yesterday is that the polystyrene
     5        product has a number of practical advantages so far as the
     6        customer is concerned -- that is a part two.  Therefore,
     7        the suggestion is that you are putting those factors
     8        attracting your customer ahead of environmental
     9        considerations?
    10        A.  Right.
    11
    12   Q.   Part three.  That is the thrust of what you are putting,
    13        Mr. Morris, is it?
    14
    15   MR. MORRIS:  Yes.
    16
    17   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What would you like to say about that?
    18        A.  Well, I honestly do not think McDonald's in the USA
    19        would have made this change had they not had a landfill
    20        problem in the United States.  This is their preferred
    21        package.  We do not have a landfill problem here.  It is
    22        our preferred package and that is why we have stayed with
    23        it until the next generation comes along which, as
    24        I indicated, is well on the way to coming along.
    25
    26   MR. MORRIS:  Apart from the landfill consideration, if you look
    27        at, say, the implications for energy and resources that
    28        were put into the production of polystyrene as opposed to
    29        paper in that report, the EDF McDonald's report, the energy
    30        and resource implications were that it had worse
    31        environmental implications.  Is that correct?
    32        A.  That is a fact if you compare apples with oranges which
    33        is what you are doing here.
    34
    35   Q.   I am just asking about that report, the EDF report?
    36        A.  Yes, but that was not -----
    37
    38   Q.   They are saying that the energy and resource environmental
    39        consequences are greater with polystyrene than with paper,
    40        never mind the landfill, is that correct?
    41        A.  They are saying that, but McDonald's would never have
    42        made that change unless -----
    43
    44   Q.   But they are saying energy and resource.  So, in fact, in
    45        your UK sheet you know now, do you not, that when you say
    46        foam packaging is more energy and resource efficient to
    47        produce than paper or cardboard, but your company now knows
    48        that that is now incorrect?
    49
    50   MR. RAMPTON:  I think it is fair to read the next sentence, if 
    51        I may say so. 
    52 
    53   MR. MORRIS:  Sorry, I am asking you, you now know that is
    54        correct, yes?
    55        A.  Let me read on.
    56
    57   Q.   It is not true, is it, now?
    58        A.  In reading this, it is very clear and it is six of one
    59        and half a dozen of the other.  You can make good points
    60        and bad points for either package.

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