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     1        matter entirely.
     2
     3   MS. STEEL:  To be honest, I have a document which is not in the
     4        bundles but we have not put it in the bundles because we
     5        have to do some filtering of what is relevant.  I was not
     6        aware that anybody was coming who had any experience about
     7        Australia, but when Dr. Gomez Gonzalez mentioned this the
     8        other day, I thought I may as well as put to him what is
     9        here but I deliberately -----
    10
    11   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What you are entitled to ----
    12
    13   MR. RAMPTON:  That is quite permissible, my Lord.  I said I had
    14        no objection.
    15
    16   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No, what you are entitled to do, provided you
    17        have a source of information which you think is reasonably
    18        reliable, you are entitled just to ask questions without
    19        putting a document or any particular challenge.
    20
    21   MR. RAMPTON:  I thought maybe I had missed something about
    22        Australia that was coming in the evidence, but if there is
    23        not, then I do not mind.
    24
    25   MS. STEEL (To the witness):  Then after the calves are taken
    26        from their mothers at one day old, is it right that they
    27        are enclosed in individual crates that measure about
    28        three-quarters of a metre by 1.5 metres?
    29        A.  I have never seen that.
    30
    31   Q.   You have not seen that?
    32        A.  No.
    33
    34   Q.   Do you know what happens to them after they are taken from
    35        their mothers?
    36        A.  They could be -- it depends on the country, it depends
    37        on the feed lot, what they do with them.  I do not know,
    38        they could send them to slaughterhouse, they could send
    39        them to a farm and raise it on a farm, but I have never
    40        seen anybody putting them in such a small confinement.
    41
    42   Q.   Is that the standard practice for feed lots in America as
    43        well -- the calves will be taken away at one day old?
    44        A.  Yes.
    45
    46   Q.   That is right?
    47        A.  It would, again it would depend on the feed lots.  It
    48        is up to them to do whatever they want.  They will do just
    49        about everything, the options that I mentioned before, but
    50        you do not want -- never mind. 
    51 
    52   Q.   What are the stocking densities in America for pigs, the 
    53        minimum stocking, maximum stocking densities?
    54        A.  As far as I can remember, there is no set amount of a
    55        stocking density.
    56
    57   Q.   There is no law about that?
    58        A.  As far as I can remember, no.  Most suppliers will fall
    59        around half a metre, square metre per hog, but it depends
    60        on supplier.  It can be exceeded, it can be -- I do not

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