Day 068 - 16 Dec 94 - Page 63
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2 MR. MORRIS: OK, if we move on then, just to try to get through
3 the rest of this, to the famous Coope Montecillos?
4 A. What tab are you on?
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6 Q. It is the next one after Guatemala and before Uruguay, it
7 is N, Coope Montecillos?
8 A. Yes.
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10 Q. Did Coope Montecillos export to Japan for McDonald's use?
11 A. No, they did not.
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13 Q. What about Nicaragua, chicken to Nicaragua, for McDonald's
14 use?
15 A. In Nicaragua?
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17 Q. Yes.
18 A. We do not currently have restaurants in Nicaragua.
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20 Q. You do not have?
21 A. No.
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23 Q. You have had restaurants in Nicaragua, yes?
24 A. I believe we did. I seem to recollect that we did at
25 one time, but I know next to nothing about that.
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27 Q. I just noticed down at the bottom of the page in Coope
28 Montecillos the stunning practice for beef is the 22 rifle
29 shot in the brain.
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31 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It is "shot in the bone", is it not, or
32 perhaps it is "brain"? It is very difficult to read.
33 A. Yes, I see it.
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35 MR. MORRIS: Is that something that would concern you in terms
36 of animal welfare?
37 A. I have seen that done and it does not concern me,
38 because the way they wrote it, it is a language thing. It
39 is the hammer, what they describe as the 22 rifle is the
40 captive bolt gun that is used, that has uses a cartridge,
41 that looks like a 22 rifle and it will operate almost like
42 a 22 rifle, except it does not have a bullet. So, when
43 they see that they assume that is a rifle, when they see
44 cartridges, when it explodes and causes the concussion in
45 the animal.
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47 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It appears to be allowed by the Humane
48 Slaughter Act?
49 A. That is correct, it is.
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51 Q. Provided certain conditions are met.
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53 MR. MORRIS: There seem to be a lot of no's on that page. Did
54 that concern you when you were in Costa Rica?
55 A. No. I have seen the facilities and, again, it is one
56 of those issues that is very difficult to judge. When they
57 say "Are they smooth", it is difficult. When I asked that
58 question, and I do not have really the time to go into,
59 answer every single possible detail, but if we say "They
60 are smooth?" they say: "No, they are smooth", but that
