Day 114 - 04 Apr 95 - Page 74


     
     1        perhaps above medium sized human being?
     2        A.  It made me jump much more than I would jump in a normal
     3        way of the things.
     4
     5   Q.   A bit like bumping into an electric fence, is it?
     6        A.  It is something like that, yes, but I must say there
     7        are two ways of doing it.  One you can do it with your
     8        clothe on.  It is much more effective when you ----
     9
    10   Q.   We are not asking you for a practical demonstration by
    11        either method, Dr. Long, but would you agree with your
    12        clothes on, your trousers, assuming that the goad is
    13        administered to your backside that would be something
    14        nearer to what a cow feels than if you took your clothes
    15        offer?
    16        A.  I think that is possible.  Cows are very susceptible to
    17        electric shocks. They are very much affected by lightning
    18        because they have four legs and I have only got two.
    19
    20   Q.   They do not wear rubber shoes either?
    21        A.  No, not usually.  It is a shock and, of course, if
    22        I dealt that I was in atmosphere where I was not
    23        administering it to myself but someone else who was rather
    24        unpleasant was doing it to me, I would be much more
    25        concerned that I might get a series of those shocks, so it
    26        would affect me far worse.
    27
    28   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Bring it to a close now.
    29
    30   MR. RAMPTON:  One last question then and then I will leave goads
    31        unless Dr. Long wants to return to them on Thursday.  Do
    32        you accept, Dr. Long, that the proper use of an electric
    33        goad to guide cattle or to keep them under control used on
    34        the rump of the beast, not the udder or the nose or
    35        anything nasty like that, is not a significant animal
    36        welfare consideration?
    37        A.  It is one of the smaller ones.  I think it is why you
    38        have to use them is the bigger welfare matter.
    39
    40   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Thank you, Dr. Long.  If you could be back
    41        comfortably by 10.30 on Thursday I would be grateful.
    42
    43   THE WITNESS:  Who is going to give me this -----
    44
    45   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Someone will give you not only the
    46        transcripts but written on a piece of paper, I hope, the
    47        parts which Mr. Rampton spoke of which relate to chickens
    48        rather than other animals.
    49
    50   THE WITNESS:  If I have a doubt I need a phone number. 
    51 
    52   MR. RAMPTON:  We will give you a phone number.  Also we will 
    53        give you ----
    54
    55   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  A doubt about what?
    56
    57   THE WITNESS:  If there is any doubt about what I should be
    58        reading or not.
    59
    60   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I would like someone to write down, not only

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