Day 030 - 03 Oct 94 - Page 61


     
     1        answer questions about, for example, cancer and heart
     2        disease, again in much the same way as the other passages
     3        I have quoted or have been cited do.
     4
     5   Q.   There is one bit I was going to ask you to comment on, it
     6        was something that came up in earlier hearings but not in
     7        relation to cancer.  It was the last but one page headed
     8        "Healthy Food the Consumers' Right".  It is the second
     9        column under:  "If I eat lots of healthy food won't I get
    10        fat?"  This came up in the context before under concerns
    11        about obesity.
    12        A.  What page number is this?
    13
    14   Q.   15, is it? There is a tomato at the bottom of the page.
    15        Do you have it?
    16        A.  I have found the tomato, yes.
    17
    18   Q.   "Healthy food:  The consumer's right" is at the top of the
    19        page?
    20        A.  Yes.
    21
    22   Q.   On the right-hand column, the second paragraph:  "If I eat
    23        lots of healthy food won't I get fat?  Vegetables, fruit
    24        and vegetables and potatoes and bulky and naturally
    25        satisfying. You can eat lots of them without gaining
    26        weight if you eat less fat and sugar.  For example, if you
    27        cut out just 30 grammes, one ounce, each of fat and sugar
    28        a day, you will be cutting over 350 calories.  This alone
    29        makes room for a substantial snack meal such as a sandwich
    30        plus fruit or a helping of pasta or pizza with a lot of
    31        fat topping.  If you did not replace these calories you
    32        would lose weight at the rate of roughly a pound every 10
    33        days".  Just as a statement concerns about obesity and the
    34        kinds of foods people should focus on, is that a
    35        reasonable statement?
    36        A.  Yes.  What that is referring to is another important
    37        issue.  As you say, it is do with overweight and obesity.
    38        The issue is between what is sometimes called nutrient
    39        dense foods and calorie dense foods, allowing for the fact
    40        we have all have finite capacities -- that is to say, our
    41        bellies are not infinitely expandable, or never infinitely
    42        expandable.  The common sense point which I am happy to
    43        say has sufficient scientific backing is that if you eat
    44        foods which are concentrated in calories, fatty foods and
    45        also fat fatty sugary, bearing in mind sugar is often used
    46        to make food palatable as in confectionery, you are likely
    47        to eat too many calories before you feel full; whereas if
    48        you eat foods that are bulky, naturally bulky foods like
    49        cereal foods, like fruit and veg, you will feel full
    50        before you consume too many calories.  So, it is a 
    51        commonsensical way of weight control which works. 
    52 
    53   Q.   Is that the kind of generally accepted approach to
    54        avoiding obesity?
    55        A.  It is one of the several accepted approaches nowadays,
    56        yes.
    57
    58   Q.   But in terms of dietary approach?
    59        A.  Yes.
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