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1 The final point on Mr. Lyman is that he was asked to
2 comment on one of the sentences in the London Greenpeace
3 fact sheet, the sentence: "In the slaughterhouse, animals
4 often struggle to escape". And he said: I have seen
5 animals that have had the opportunity to partially escape.
6 They are absolutely terrified, almost impossible to
7 recapture. The only way that they could be calmed is to be
8 killed. They hunted them down whether they were on the
9 kill floor or whether they were in the slaughter house
10 proper. There is no doubt that those animals when they
11 went to slaughter were terrified and would do anything
12 within their power to escape. No doubt about it.
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14 That is basically it on Mr. Lyman.
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16 MR. JUSTICE BELL: What else have you got to do on rearing and
17 slaughter?
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19 MS. STEEL: I think Dave has a little bit. I am not sure.
20 (Pause) I have just got some pits and pieces on policy. I
21 mean, certainly I am expecting to be finished tonight.
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23 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Then are you going to say anything more,
24 Mr. Morris?
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26 MR. MORRIS: I have just got about fifteen minutes or
27 something.
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29 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I think we should try and finish you both
30 tonight.
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32 MR. MORRIS: And tomorrow I am going to start with packaging.
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34 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes. I will say it now so that you can think
35 about it just during the break we are about to have; but
36 I think when you come back tomorrow morning I would like
37 you to come back together with a schedule for me, albeit it
38 may have some approximations in it, of how you are going to
39 plan your submissions on the various topics into the
40 future, so I can look at that and get some feel for it and
41 see where we are going.
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43 MS. STEEL: I do not know whether or not we can do that.
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45 MR. JUSTICE BELL: If you do not, I will have to do it for you.
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47 MS. STEEL: The thing is -----
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49 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I would welcome your assistance in giving me
50 some idea. So far, we had a day last week of general
51 matters from Mr. Morris, three and a half days from
52 Mr. Morris on the environment, and so far we have had
53 virtually four days from you, Ms. Steel, on rearing and
54 slaughter. That may be because you see environment and
55 particularly the rainforest as an important topic in the
56 leaflet and it may be in Ms. Steel's case that she sees
57 rearing and slaughter as a particularly important matter.
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59 But a lot of the time, particularly this week, has been in
60 giving me references and then reading out parts of
