Day 102 - 13 Mar 95 - Page 30
1 A. Yes, they would not be, but it is possible that they
2 would be there at various stages certainly.
3
4 Q. Over that sort of period of time?
5 A. Yes.
6
7 Q. 2.00 or 3 o'clock in the afternoon until 9 o'clock the
8 following morning?
9 A. Yes, I mean, they could go in and clear specific houses
10 at different times, according to what the factory requires.
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12 MS. STEEL: Actually, I make it that they must be more frequent
13 than every -- no, I will leave it there.
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15 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I only took one an hour because it makes the
16 mental arithmetic much easier. It might be more.
17 I suppose you might get a gap when a lorry does not turn up
18 just when it is expected to, and so on?
19 A. Yes.
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21 MS. STEEL: Just going back to the training period, that would
22 be what, say, an hour or so, the first hour of their time
23 on the job, would it?
24 A. I am not sure actually how long the training period
25 is. But for most jobs the training is done over a period
26 of days, so it is not all done in the one session. They
27 may have training on health and safety, for example,
28 separate to the actual training on the job procedure
29 itself.
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31 Q. But if it is over the course of a few days then they would
32 have started work by then, yes?
33 A. Yes, they would.
34
35 Q. So basically they are learning on the job?
36 A. Yes, they do.
37
38 Q. What about the contract catchers, do you ensure they get
39 training?
40 A. Yes. The contract catchers are still supervised by our
41 own supervisors. They are people like area managers who
42 specifically travel around observing that procedures are
43 being carried out properly.
44
45 Q. But they would not remain there the whole time that the
46 catching was going on?
47 A. They would not, but they do pay spot visits and the
48 farm -- we rely a lot on the farm managers and also the
49 private growers for feedback on specific catching teams.
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51 Q. It is correct, is it not, that some of the catchers have
52 complained about the speed that they have to work?
53 A. They probably have, yes.
54
55 Q. That there is no time for them to take concern over the
56 welfare of the birds because of the speed that they are
57 working at?
58 A. If they say that, I think the company would disagree.
59
60 Q. In what way would the company disagree? What would the
