Day 203 - 12 Jan 96 - Page 33


     
     1        A.  What I was saying was that, yes, if the crew, if crew
     2        had told me that they suspected there was an occasion or if
     3        prior to that they had not been paid, I would have
     4        investigated it, or if I had found any evidence, you know,
     5        I would have investigated it.  So, I mean, we paid crew for
     6        what -- for any discrepancies in the schedule to their
     7        working hours that they could identify, given the shifts
     8        because of the people who brought it to my attention in the
     9        first place, if that is not too long a sentence.
    10
    11   Q.   Pause there.
    12
    13   MR. MORRIS:  Did you discuss this matter with Mark Davis?
    14        A.  No.
    15
    16   Q.   You never discussed it with Mark Davis?
    17        A.  Not to my recollection, no.  I do not think I did.
    18
    19   Q.   You paid out -- is it £1,300?
    20
    21   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  1,200, I think
    22
    23   MR. MORRIS:  1,200, is it -- to six to eight crew for four
    24        weeks, about four weeks, for a period; yes?
    25        A.  Correct.  It was charged to the payroll for the
    26        Colchester restaurant, so when I say I paid out, the
    27        Company paid out.
    28
    29   Q.   Yes, I understand that.
    30        A.  OK, fine.
    31
    32   Q.   Well, that is about something just under £40 for each
    33        person, something like that.  Would that be about right?
    34        A.  I cannot remember the exact details.  There may have
    35        been one or two who had more or there may have been one or
    36        two who had less, you know.  There may have been one
    37        individual who was an hour short.  We worked it from both
    38        ways:  we asked them, but we also told them, you
    39        know, "Your hours were not correct on this evening; they
    40        were changed.  I am going to reimburse you for the money.
    41        I apologise on behalf of the Company."
    42
    43   Q.   Do you know why this practice had not been investigated
    44        before May 1991?
    45        A.  All I can say is that it was bought to my attention and
    46        I then investigated it.  I would suggest that if anybody
    47        else had it bought it to their attention, they too would
    48        investigate it.  If it was bought to somebody else's
    49        attention before that date then, fine, they would have
    50        investigated it.  If it was not brought to anybody's 
    51        attention at my level before that date, then I guess there 
    52        was nothing to investigate. 
    53
    54   Q.   Was it obvious when you looked at the clock cards printouts
    55        that this practice was going on?  When you investigated it,
    56        you saw the sheets, and was it obvious then; you could see
    57        the pattern straightaway?
    58        A.  Pattern -- well, what you could see was that -- sorry.
    59
    60   Q.   The pattern of docking of one hour, two hours, in a

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