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1 Federal Government for any kind of scrutiny examination or
2 approval or disapproval?
3 A. Yes, I personally spent a great deal of time in
4 Washington DC.
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6 Q. At what level have you personally discussed these matters
7 with the United States Government?
8 A. I have -- this is going to sound like bragging but I do
9 not mean to -- personally met with our President, President
10 Clinton.
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12 Q. Do you know the rule against hearsay? I do not want to
13 know what he said. Do not tell us what he said. I just
14 want to know at what level you discussed these matters?
15 A. OK. With our President, with the Secretary of Labour,
16 Reish, who is the US Secretary of Labour, at the highest
17 levels as well as all the way up the administrative levels
18 of the various Government agencies.
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20 Q. Pause there, if you will. What I want to ask you is this:
21 In consequence of those discussions -----
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23 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Is this going to be just another way of
24 telling me that they said they had no criticism of them? I
25 do not know just what Mr. Stein told President Clinton or
26 what the extent of President Clinton's understanding of the
27 detail was.
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29 MR. RAMPTON: Since your Lordship has both anticipated -----
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31 MR. JUSTICE BELL: With the very greatest respect to President
32 Clinton, even if I did know what he thought, I would still
33 have to decide this case myself. He is not going to give
34 the judgment for me, is he?
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36 MR. RAMPTON: No, he is not and what he thinks does not matter,
37 I agree. (To the witness): Mr. Stein, may we now pass to
38 specific cases? I am going to take them, Mr. Stein, in the
39 order in which you dealt with them in your written
40 statement. However, I shall, if I may, deal with one
41 additional matter which I do know that you know about which
42 is not in the statement which are the Mackle so-called
43 child labour violations in Philadelphia ---
44 A. Yes.
45
46 Q. -- since that is a pleaded matter, but I will not deal with
47 that before the adjournment. My Lord, I will, if I may,
48 give your Lordship the references in Mr. Stein's first
49 statement.
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51 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes, that would be helpful.
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53 MR. RAMPTON: The first one, my Lord -- they are all in
54 paragraph 14 on page 7 -- is (i) and it is numbered 30 in
55 the relevant section of the Abstract which, I think, is
56 section 7.
57 A. I take it you do not want me to have anything in front
58 of me?
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60 Q. That really, Mr. Stein, is a matter for his Lordship.
