Day 192 - 27 Nov 95 - Page 57


     
     1        said that we had to get the director of organising on board
     2        with us, that he had to OK it before we started signing
     3        cards, and then at the next union meeting the cards would
     4        be distributed which she says she did not know about but
     5        she did.
     6
     7   Q.   At that time was she enthusiastic about the union?
     8        A.  Yes.
     9
    10   Q.   She was?
    11        A.  Yes.
    12
    13   Q.   Right.
    14        A.  Then I did not tell her to stop asking questions.  In
    15        fact, she was very friendly with the union organizer, Rui,
    16        because I remember her giving him a cigarette, her giving
    17        him a cigarette because he had run out, or something.
    18
    19   Q.   She did not appear to be intimidated by him or to feel he
    20        was like a liar, or anything?
    21        A.  No, not at all.  People -- we had a volunteer sort of
    22        system of people that wanted to do this and, I mean, we did
    23        not force the cards on anyone to get people to sign up, but
    24        we asked them, you know, "Do you want to do this? If you do
    25        not fine, do not worry about it", because some people that
    26        maybe did not want to be on the committee, which was fine;
    27        but she obviously did because we gave her cards and we had
    28        divided up lists and each person was writing down their
    29        list of who they could get of who they knew.
    30
    31   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  How old is Nicole Owen?
    32        A.  I believe she is a year younger than I am.
    33
    34   MS. STEEL:   How was it split up about who should try and get
    35        who to join?
    36        A.  It is just whoever knows a person, you know; once we
    37        sorted a list of people we knew and people would write down
    38        the names of people that they knew that they could trust to
    39        talk to about it, you know.
    40
    41   Q.   Right.
    42        A.  You know, it would make it faster if everybody would do
    43        five instead of one person doing 102 signatures, right.
    44
    45        I did call her to ask her if she had signed anyone up, and
    46        I believe she signed one or two people up.  I know she did
    47        not do her full amount, but nobody really could.  But I did
    48        not badger her.  I called her to see how it was going.  I
    49        remember she was going through a lot of -- and I laid off
    50        of her during that summer, because, like, I did not -- she 
    51        was not involved as much as other people because she was 
    52        going through some family problems at that point; she had 
    53        moved out, or something or other.  So, I mean, she did not
    54        really have a lot of time for much of anything.  I did not
    55        promise them a wage increase.
    56
    57   Q.   I mean, I think you have covered all that.  So -----
    58        A.  Yes, OK.
    59
    60   Q.   Unless there is anything else -----

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