Day 187 - 13 Nov 95 - Page 29


     
     1   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What was that one?
     2
     3   MR. RAMPTON:  Vol.  Tentative (inaudible), attempted fraud?
     4
     5   THE INTERPRETER:  Attempted fraud, yes.
     6
     7   MR. RAMPTON:  (To the witness):  Do you know about that case?
     8        A.  We are now in November, and I have still not been
     9        informed or called before a magistrate on this matter.
    10
    11   Q.   Does it follow that you do not know of another case started
    12        on 30th May 1995, for subornation of witnesses?
    13        A.  No.
    14
    15   Q.   Do you know Patrice Verceuil?
    16        A.  Yes.
    17
    18   Q.   Does he know Mark Perez?
    19        A.  Yes.
    20
    21   Q.   Does he know Marge Laredo?
    22        A.  Yes.
    23
    24   Q.   Who is Said Hammache?
    25        A.  He is responsible for the CFDT Commercial and Services
    26        branch of Lyon.
    27
    28   Q.   You do not know, then, that you and Mr. Hammache are
    29        accused of suborning the testimony, by threats and
    30        intimidation, of those witnesses Perez and Laredo?
    31        A.  No.  This is the first time that I hear of it.
    32
    33   Q.   Did you know that on 19th October, 1995, Mr. Antolinos --
    34        the first two suits being by Vilpaix -- initiated a case
    35        against you personally for "attestation non sangeur" --
    36        lying testimony?
    37        A.  No.
    38
    39   Q.   You -----
    40        A.  It is important to know that everything that I have
    41        said in my statement is backed up by documented evidence
    42        supplied to the court.
    43
    44   Q.   Then you will not accept this suggestion, I take it, that
    45        you have engaged in theft at McDonald's in Lyon, in
    46        attempted fraud; that you have threatened and intimidated
    47        witnesses who were to give evidence against you in those
    48        first proceedings ---
    49        A.  No.
    50 
    51   Q.   -- and that what you have said about Mr. Antolinos in this 
    52        statement in French is a tissue of lies? 
    53        A.  No.
    54
    55   MR. MORRIS:  Can I just note that the witness shook his head as
    56        each point was raised?
    57
    58   MR. RAMPTON:  It came across as "no" from the interpreter.
    59        My Lord, I cannot take it any further than that.
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