Day 062 - 06 Dec 94 - Page 27
1 Mr. Van Erp by Enso-Gutzeit in Finland; is that right?
2 A. Yes, it is.
3
4 Q. That is right. What do Enso-Gutzeit supply for McDonald's
5 use?
6 A. They supply a plastic coated board, PE coated board,
7 which is called "cup stock".
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9 Q. Cup stock?
10 A. Cup stock, mainly used to make cups from.
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12 Q. They have told you, I think, that it takes 33 hectares,
13 that is right, is it, for 1,000 metric tonnes of
14 paperboard?
15 A. Yes.
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17 Q. Have I understood that correctly? From that you have
18 extrapolated the calculation that McDonald's total metric
19 tonnage requirement of virgin fibre -- we have excluded
20 from this calculation the recycled content, have we not, is
21 that right ---
22 A. Yes.
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24 Q. -- the figure you have given is taken from your CVE 3, you
25 give a metric tonnage of 10.148, do you not?
26 A. Yes.
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28 Q. Which is the same as 10,147,924 kilograms?
29 A. Yes.
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31 Q. That is the virgin fibre content of McDonald's. You have
32 multiplied that by 33 hectares and, since 100 hectares or,
33 rather, 1 hectare is 0.003861 of a square mile, yes ---
34 A. Yes.
35
36 Q. -- you have calculated that on this basis 1.293 square
37 miles of tree land, if I can call it that, would be
38 required for McDonald's packaging in Europe in 1992; is
39 that right?
40 A. That is correct.
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42 Q. You have taken the figures supplied by Enso-Gutzeit who
43 make cup stock. Are Enso-Gutzeit big suppliers to
44 McDonald's through you?
45 A. In 1992 they actually supplied of the cup the far
46 greater majority of products. I would guesstimate in the
47 order of magnitude of 95 per cent of all the cup stock came
48 from, for both of the suppliers that we had at that time in
49 the UK, came from Enso.
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51 Q. Looking at the timber sources of Europe as a whole, does it
52 seem to you from what you know that the basis which
53 Enso-Gutzeit have given you, that is to say, 33 hectares of
54 forest for 1,000 metric tonnes of paperboard, is a
55 reasonable basis on which to make a calculation of the
56 overall usage of virgin fibre in Europe?
57 A. I could not say. I have to rely on the figures from
58 Enso for this.
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60 Q. I can tell you that Mr. Mallinson did the calculation -- he
