Day 107 - 24 Mar 95 - Page 54


     
     1   Q.   That is right?
     2        A.  This is true.
     3
     4   Q.   Thus if a McNugget should leave Sun Valley or its sister
     5        company in France, or a hamburger should leave McKey's, in
     6        circumstances where the bacterial population have not been
     7        given the chance to multiply dramatically, there is, so
     8        long as it is not abused between that stage and
     9        consumption, no risk no serious risk of food poisoning at
    10        all, is there?
    11        A.  In my opinion, there is not.
    12
    13   Q.   Penultimately, page 114 in this book, the first complete
    14        paragraph at the top of the page beginning "Contained"?
    15        A.  Yes.
    16
    17   Q.   "Contained by the body's natural mechanisms controlled or
    18        cooked, most of the potentially dangerous bacteria
    19        associated with food are rendered harmless.  Salmonella
    20        from the gut of a chicken only becomes dangerous to men
    21        when it is transferred, usually at the food preparation
    22        stage, from the gut to other parts of the flesh where it
    23        can multiply, even so cooking will destroy it".
    24
    25        So, am I right, essentially two things have to happen:
    26        There has got to be an opportunity for multiplication or
    27        proliferation, and then there has got to be inefficient
    28        cooking?
    29        A.  Ordinarily, yes.  If you would like me to qualify it?
    30
    31   Q.   Perhaps I can suggest a possible exception.  The thing has
    32        been cooked at the proper temperature.  It did not have a
    33        lot of bacteria in it or on it in the first place, and
    34        somebody contaminates it afterwards?
    35        A.  There are elements which came to light with poultry
    36        particularly -----
    37
    38   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What I suggest you do, apart from allowing
    39        them to multiply and bad cooking, you enumerate the extra
    40        qualifications which you were going to suggest.  I am not
    41        suggesting you go into detail, but tell us what they are?
    42        A.  One is that under certain circumstances in poultry
    43        meat, the initial dose can be from the contaminated chicken
    44        at slaughter, can be so high that multiplication is not
    45        required.
    46
    47   MR. RAMPTON:  I am going to come back to that, if I may.
    48
    49   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What I suggest is, if we hear the
    50        modifications which Mr. North wanted to give and then come 
    51        back to them.  So the initial dose can be so high, yes? 
    52        A.  That multiplication is not required. 
    53
    54   Q.   Any others?
    55        A.  And, of course, the qualification in cooking is that it
    56        should be adequate cooking.
    57
    58   MR. RAMPTON:  I said ineffectively cooking.
    59
    60   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Any others?  What was being put to you and

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