Day 081 - 31 Jan 95 - Page 42
1 of the chiller?
2 A. Well, to reduce the temperature, to reduce the
3 proliferation.
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5 Q. Is there any sort of guideline on the amount of time that
6 that drop in temperature should be achieved in terms of the
7 speed to get down to that temperature?
8 A. There is good practice and because the particular chill
9 room, that would depend to a large extent on the
10 construction and design of the chill room.
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12 Q. What is the good practice then?
13 A. I am not quite sure I follow you.
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15 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I think you are being asked if there is a
16 guideline time that it should take to get the carcass in
17 the chilling room, in the chiller, down to what temperature
18 for hygiene purposes. Are there such guidelines or
19 standards?
20 A. I do not know of any particular time.
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22 MR. MORRIS: Is there a particular temperature that boning rooms
23 are recommended not to go above, that you know of?
24 A. Yes, there is.
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26 Q. What temperature is that?
27 A. I am speaking from memory. I think it is about seven
28 degrees Celsius.
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30 Q. Do you know what the temperature in the chiller is
31 recommended to be to bring the carcasses down to that?
32 A. Not offhand, I cannot remember, no.
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34 MR. JUSTICE BELL: If you have got a temperature you want to
35 put, do so, whether or not Professor Jackson knows of it.
36 The point is then out in the open in case it crops up with
37 anyone else.
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39 MR. MORRIS: I am not sure if the issue is the temperature in
40 the chill room; it is the time.
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42 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, that, I am afraid, will not really do,
43 with respect. If there is a case to be put that for a
44 certain size room at a certain temperature and for a
45 certain number of pieces of meat there is a given time laid
46 down in some guideline or other, then that has to be put.
47 If that is not the case, then we can abandon it and move on
48 to something else.
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50 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It ought to be put so that the witness has an
51 opportunity to deal with it. Also, there is the factor
52 which I have just mentioned that it brings it out into the
53 open and, hopefully, I can take it on board.
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55 MR. MORRIS: I am asking for the witness to give his opinion. I
56 do not know, necessarily, what the guidelines are or if
57 there are any, in fact.
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59 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You see, he did not think there was a
60 requirement -- that was the detained room, let me just
