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     1        A.  I do not know how they were kept.
 
     2   Q.   I am not sure I understand.  If 40 per cent are kept
              indoors, they cannot be kept outdoors?
     3        A.  Yes, but that is pre-weaning; post-weaning, I do not
              know how they were kept.
     4
         MR. RAMPTON:  The word in the report is "breeding".
     5
         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, I remember that now.
     6        A.  Sorry.
 
     7   MS. STEEL:   So breeding units only encompass up to the first
              three weeks of the piglet's life?
     8        A.  That is correct.  The sow is then separated from the
              piglets and she says in the breeding unit.  The piglets go
     9        on to the weaner accommodation.
 
    10   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  So it may be that all the weaners lived
              outdoors?
    11        A.  It may be; I do not know.
 
    12   MS. STEEL:   Then the 40 per cent of sows that were in the
              indoor units would remain in the indoor units, would they
    13        not?
              A.  The sows would remain in the indoor units.
    14
         Q.   Right.
    15
         MR. JUSTICE BELL:   There is no rotation of sows, as it were?
    16        A.  An interesting question.
 
    17   Q.   That you were aware of?
              A.  No, I would have thought it was unlikely.  I do not
    18        know, but I would have thought it was unlikely.
 
    19   MS. STEEL:   All the figures about percentages, they were just
              figures given to you, so we have to confirm them with
    20        Mr. Bowes?
              A.  That is to be recommended, yes.
    21
         Q.   You were asked about whether -- you were asked about some
    22        of the undesirable effects of tail clipping and teeth --
              sorry.
    23
         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Docking.
    24
         MS. STEEL:   Tail docking and teeth clipping?
    25        A.  Yes.
  
    26   Q.   You were also asked whether you saw any evidence of that 
              in the pigs at Bowes.  I think you said it would be 
    27        difficult to identify?
              A.  Yes.
    28
         Q.   Right.  Do you actually look for those problems?
    29        A.  You have to have a close examination of individual
              animals to identify abscesses in the jaw or to look for
    30        hot and inflamed, swollen joints.  So you have to grab
              hold, first of all, catch your pig.  It is that situation,

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