Day 079 - 27 Jan 95 - Page 22
1 A. Yes, it is a Government Research establishment. It is
2 not a company -- Camden Food Research.
3
4 Q. But it was a commercial transaction; you paid them ---
5 A. Well ----
6
7 Q. -- for their services?
8 A. All companies use them. There are two large
9 establishments in Great Britain and you use them as
10 consultants.
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12 MR. JUSTICE BELL: What are the two large establishments?
13 A. Leatherhead and Camden, sir.
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15 MR. MORRIS: This Camden organisation, have you used them in the
16 past for various -----
17 A. I have used them for 24 years.
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19 Q. So you have had a good commercial relationship with them
20 for -----
21 A. Not a commercial relationship; a technical
22 relationship.
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24 Q. But you pay for their services?
25 A. We pay for the research, yes.
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27 Q. Right. So there is a commercial aspect of it?
28 A. It is not commercial. Camden does not work
29 commercially. Camden is scientific. It is not
30 commercial. It is science.
31
32 Q. We can have a debate about that, may be, in a difference
33 place on a different day.
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35 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Put your questions about it.
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37 MR. MORRIS: Yes. The Public Health laboratories, when they do
38 reports, they do not get a payment, do they, from the
39 companies that they are investigating?
40 A. Well, not if it is an investigation, but you can use
41 the Public Health laboratories and pay them for analysis
42 and that sort of thing.
43
44 Q. But when they investigate an incident they do not get paid,
45 do they, by the company being investigated?
46 A. No.
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48 MR. JUSTICE BELL: If you instructed them to investigate an
49 incident at your factory, something you were anxious about,
50 some public health aspect relating to your factory, could
51 you engage the Public Health Laboratory service for a fee
52 to look into it and report to you?
53 A. Yes, sir.
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55 MR. MORRIS: If we go back to Jarrets, is there a map up with
56 the witness of the Jarrets' floor plan?
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58 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It is in one of the volumes. It is behind
59 your statement if you still have your statement there. It
60 is yellow IX. Look in tab 9, at the very back of tab 9,
