Day 069 - 19 Dec 94 - Page 47


     
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     2   Q.   But when did you seek guarantees of the suppliers who are
     3        supplying the raw material?
     4        A.  I do not know.
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     6   Q.   Do you do that now?
     7        A.  No.  It is the US DA jurisdiction, and it is the
     8        responsibility of suppliers to comply with that.  It is in
     9        the spec that we use 100 per cent domestic beef, and it is
    10        the supplier's responsibility as well as FSIS to follow
    11        that.
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    13   Q.   Talking about specifications, when was the first time it
    14        was specified that suppliers should not use beef that had
    15        come from recently deforested ex-rainforest land?
    16        A.  I do not know.
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    18   Q.   It is in the specifications now, is it not? There is a
    19        phrase?
    20        A.  Yes, it is.
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    22   Q.   We have got the specifications going back ten, 15 years,
    23        which have been disclosed by McDonald's, which you have
    24        seen some of.  You can take my word for it, there is only
    25        one from 1989, I believe, that actually mentions that
    26        phrase?
    27        A.  Or it could be an addendum.
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    29   Q.   Can you get out volume pink IX?  I think it is the
    30        international specification.
    31        A.  It would have to be international addendum,
    32        specification addendum, because in the US there is no
    33        rainforest, so there was no need for that.
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    35   MR. RAMPTON:  Page 21.
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    37   MR. MORRIS:  Yes, page 21.
    38        A.  Point number 2?
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    40   Q.   Point number 2.  Have you seen that specification before
    41        1989?
    42        A.  Yes, I have.
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    44   Q.   So was the first time you saw it in 1986, or did it appear
    45        before that?
    46        A.  No.  One of the things that I need to clarify, it is a
    47        revised date of 1989.  The date that it was issued was
    48        November 7th, 1973.
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    50   Q.   So that point number 2, has that always been on them? 
    51        A.  It has been.  I do not know, I do not know.  I have to 
    52        look at every single spec before that and every single 
    53        product specification before that, and also I know, I am
    54        well aware, that our policy for rainforest was well in
    55        place before we even stated it in the product
    56        specification.  Developing the product specification takes
    57        a lot of time, as you would imagine.
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    59   Q.   The purpose of a specification is to identify what the
    60        policy of the suppliers is; yes?

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