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     1        required, then that is a different people, but if it is
     2        merely to repeat what is already there then, frankly, it
     3        is a waste of time.
     4
     5   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Bear it mind, Mr. Morris.  When you want to
     6        draw attention to particular parts of references, I
     7        understand that, because I make no bones of the fact that
     8        I am not reading all the references to all the statements,
     9        so it is right I should be referred to the parts which are
    10        particularly important.  But when you go through
    11        Dr. Lobstein's statement, he need not repeat anything
    12        which is there.  If you have an elaboration, deal with it
    13        by all means.
    14
    15   MR. MORRIS:  OK.
    16
    17   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If you are anxious that only I have read it
    18        and you have read it and Mr. Rampton and the rest of the
    19        McDonald's team have read it and you want it to come out
    20        in open court, well, just read out the paragraph aloud.
    21        But just deal with any elaboration or explanation.
    22
    23   MR. MORRIS:  It certainly is not my intention to -- on the
    24        record it is because I wanted to emphasise what I think is
    25        quite an important point which is, very briefly, when
    26        McDonald's say they are using basic products such as can
    27        be found in people's kitchens, is that telling the full
    28        story?
    29        A.  In the sense that they make statements that they use
    30        basics ingredients such as meat, milk, potatoes, bread,
    31        I think is the phrase they have used, clearly that is not
    32        the whole story because the whole purpose of not being a
    33        grocery but being a fastfood store is to convert those
    34        into meals, and the means by which they do that, by and
    35        large (and this is the point at issue) is to increase the
    36        fat content, increase the sugar content and increase the
    37        salt content of those foods.  So, it is not simply enough
    38        to say that they serve meat, bread, potatoes and milk.
    39
    40   MS. STEEL:   You mention in your first statement (and this
    41        follows on) that you have looked at the nutritional makeup
    42        of McDonald's food.  I do not know whether you have a copy
    43        of Good Food, Nutrition and McDonald's but, if not, there
    44        will be one on the shelf behind you.
    45
    46   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Can you give me the reference?
    47
    48   MS. STEEL:   It is pink volume VI.
    49        A.  I have one.
    50 
    51   Q.   Just to be on the safe side, can you tell us the date of 
    52        the one you have so we have the same one because there is 
    53        a different version?
    54        A.  Is the date written on it?
    55
    56   Q.   I think it should be on -----
    57
    58   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If you look at the very first page sometimes
    59        they have been written on in longhand, Dr. Lobstein.
    60        A.  I have on the very last page, I think it is, first

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