Day 097 - 06 Mar 95 - Page 71
1 A. Yes.
2
3 Q. How is the packing down? It is done manually, is it, or
4 what?
5 A. For McKeys it is actually put into the large octagonal
6 bins they have. Yes, it is tipped in from trays. It is
7 packed firstly into trays and then tipped into these big
8 bins.
9
10 Q. The meat which goes into the opti-bins, if we can call them
11 that, will not necessarily all be from one animal, will it?
12 A. No.
13
14 Q. It might be as much as 5 or 6 or 7 degrees when it goes
15 into the opti-bin?
16 A. Yes.
17
18 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It might be more because it has been 4 to 7
19 when it has gone into the deboning room?
20 A. Yes.
21
22 Q. And it will or may rise a bit there during that operation?
23 A. That is correct.
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25 MR. RAMPTON: All right. I am sorry.
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27 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Then it goes back into another chiller?
28 A. It is generally under 7 degrees, sir, at that point.
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30 Q. After deboning?
31 A. Yes.
32
33 Q. Even at the immediate end of the deboning exercise?
34 A. OK. If it has been deboned at 7 degrees, then, yes, I
35 suppose -----
36
37 Q. It is going to be up a bit?
38 A. That is correct.
39
40 Q. Then you put it in another chiller?
41 A. Then it goes into a holding chiller before dispatch,
42 yes.
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44 MR. MORRIS: Is it possible to comment? I know we have said it
45 before. I know Mr. Rampton wants to get things moving
46 quickly, but it has struck me that a lot of his -- I think
47 a lot of his questions have been leading questions. There
48 is no point in jumping up and objecting, but I just feel
49 that it is important that -- it does not make the value of
50 the evidence stronger.
51
52 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No, if you do ask a leading question in order
53 to move things along the risk is that the answer may not
54 carry as much weight as it might otherwise do. But at the
55 end of the day when I have heard your cross-examination
56 I may take that all into account. You are quite right that
57 if you object Mr. Rampton ought not to ask a leading
58 question, but you have got to use your judgment as to where
59 it is important and where you think that the evidence of
60 the witness may be either mistaken or untrue.
