Day 206 - 22 Jan 96 - Page 63


     
     1        I sympathise with your problems, but if procedures are not
     2        followed they lead to further problems all the time.
     3
     4   MR. MORRIS:  Right.  OK.  (To the witness):  Did Mr. Olive have
     5        a First Aid certificate?
     6        A.  I was not aware that he had a First Aid certificate.
     7
     8   Q.   Were you aware that he had not?
     9        A.  I was not aware that he had a First Aid certificate.
    10
    11   Q.   You were not aware either way?
    12        A.  That is correct, yes.
    13
    14   Q.   Right.  Is it not one of the rules that there should be
    15        somebody with a First Aid certificate on any shift at any
    16        time?
    17        A.  There should be a First Aid qualified person on a
    18        shift.
    19
    20   Q.   There should be.  Is that normally assumed to be one of the
    21        Managers?
    22        A.  Yes, it can be.
    23
    24   Q.   Usually, it is assumed?
    25        A.  Yes.
    26
    27   Q.   Had he done a shift running Managers' course?
    28        A.  Again I do not think he had, no.
    29
    30   Q.   You do not think he had.  So when you scheduled him to run
    31        a shift you knew that he had not done a shift running
    32        Managers' course, did you not?
    33        A.  I did not know whether or not he had done a shift
    34        running Managers' course.
    35
    36   Q.   You did not bother to check?
    37        A.  I did not check, no.
    38
    39   Q.   So, for all you know, half of the Managers you have
    40        scheduled to run shifts in the last three years may not
    41        have done shift running Managers' courses?
    42        A.  The salaried management are all, or have all done shift
    43        running Managers' courses.
    44
    45   Q.   But Floor Managers generally have not?  As a generality,
    46        Floor Managers tend not to have done shift running
    47        Managers' courses?
    48        A.  I could not honestly answer you at the time; they have
    49        now, yes.
    50 
    51   Q.   They have now, what do you mean? 
    52        A.  Well, we have two Floor Manager who have done the shift 
    53        running Floor Managers' course now that I know, to my
    54        knowledge.  I could not answer you as to whether -- I do
    55        not know that Danny Olive has done.
    56
    57   Q.   Was Danny Olive forced to run shift without adequate
    58        support, i.e. other qualified Managers and/or sufficient
    59        amounts of crew?
    60        A.  No, the store is not staffed with insufficient numbers

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