Day 197 - 07 Dec 95 - Page 42


     
       1      A.  It was, yes.
       2
       3 Q.   Sorry, that was the question, not mine, that was
       4      Mr. Morris' question. "Yes, pub, yes.  It came up as a bit
       5      of a joke.  It started off as a bit of light hearted way
       6      of them expressing themselves.  I do not think it ever
       7      meant to be more than that.  It was taken a little bit too
       8      seriously by some people, both management and then the
       9      crew members started to think that they had a little bit",
      10      and so on and so forth.
      11
      12      Next question: "In what way, sorry?" "To try -- I mean,
      13      there was one thing about the crew room being locked, if I
      14      remember, that they all sort of got together and said they
      15      wanted it back open, because it was not been tidy and it
      16      was locked they had not been allowed to use it.  There was
      17      another incident where something else happened.  I cannot
      18      remember what it actually was, but I know they went down
      19      to the Citizens Advice to get advice on what their rights
      20      were on it.  So it went from few lads having a laugh in a
      21      pub and then got taken seriously.
      22
      23      At the time I had just gone from Security to Trainee
      24      Manager, possibly Second Assistant at that time, it had
      25      not been very long, and the management, i.e. Frank Stanton
      26      and that took it seriously as a bit of a threat, and it
      27      was discussed at a meeting".
      28
      29      Do you accept that Mr. Gibney is right, and Mr. Shafibeik
      30      if it comes to that, that this incident took place under
      31      Martin Holloway's management in 1984?
      32      A.  To my recollection, I always thought it went under
      33      Frank Stanton's control, but I remember it was at a time
      34      when I was going from Security Co-ordinator, Second
      35      Assistant, within that period.  I cannot be precise
      36      exactly what time it went, but the memory would lead me
      37      towards Frank Stanton.
      38
      39 Q.   Let us read on, shall we?  "It was discussed at a meeting
      40      that", and then Mr. Morris interrupted:  "Threat to
      41      what?"  You answered:  "That the running of the store,
      42      that the fact that they were causing trouble, they were a
      43      disruptive influence".  Question:  "Is that what he was
      44      saying or what your view was?"  Answer by you:  "At that
      45      time as well, because I was new to the environment", do
      46      you see those words?
      47      A.  Yes.
      48
      49 Q.   That means that the beginning of your time in the store at
      50      Colchester, does it not?
      51      A.  Well, by that, I am meaning that the managerial
      52      environment, not just the store environment. 
      53
      54 Q.   "Some of the things they were doing I started to feel that
      55      they were", and so on and so forth.  I will miss out, if I
      56      may, down to line 58:  "There was a meeting.  It was
      57      decided that these people had to go.  I cannot remember
      58      exactly who was at the meeting".
      59
      60      Can we then turn over the page and start, please, at line

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