Day 081 - 31 Jan 95 - Page 34
1 yes ---
2 A. Yes.
3
4 Q. -- if detected? So, is that basically because its
5 presence in any amount constitutes a risk?
6 A. A potential risk in ready to eat foods.
7
8 Q. Yes. It becomes a serious risk if the food is uncooked?
9 A. Yes.
10
11 Q. I think we have had the Microbiological Guidelines from
12 McKey's, if someone could help me where that was?
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14 MR. RAMPTON: It is tab 3 of volume pink VIII.
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16 MR. MORRIS: Tab 3 of that volume ---
17 A. Yes.
18
19 Q. -- I believe. This is the McKey Microbiological
20 Guidelines?
21 A. Yes.
22
23 Q. They have got salmonella down on their list as an organism
24 which they require complete absence of at that stage, yes,
25 at the process stage?
26 A. Yes.
27
28 Q. Is that the way, the responsible way, to treat the
29 salmonella problem, to actually eliminate it at the process
30 stage or to ensure that it is not there at the process
31 stage?
32 A. Well, if that is possible. The earlier you get rid of
33 it, the better, but we are talking about cattle and pigs
34 here rather than chickens.
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36 Q. Yes, but in terms of we are talking about human health and
37 here we are talking about cattle and pigs, yes?
38 A. Yes.
39
40 Q. Is this the responsible way to prevent later risk for human
41 health by trying to eliminate it at this stage?
42 A. Eradicate it at all stages, yes.
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44 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Let me just ask, Mr. Morris: Was there some
45 reason for distinguishing between cattle and pigs rather
46 than chickens?
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48 MR. MORRIS: Absolutely because then -----
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50 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Let him give the evidence then. You see, his
51 answer to your question was: "In terms, we are talking
52 about human health and here we are talking about" -- he
53 said: "We are talking about cattle and pigs here rather
54 than chickens".
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56 MR. MORRIS: Yes.
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58 MR. JUSTICE BELL: By all means you ask him why the distinction
59 is important, but it has not been spelt out.
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