Day 310 - 04 Dec 96 - Page 21
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2 MR. RAMPTON: No, it does not.
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4 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I am still entitled, surely, to look at what
5 the person takes home at the end of the week?
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7 MR. RAMPTON: Absolutely.
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9 MR. JUSTICE BELL: If I came to a view that it is low by
10 anyone's standard, that is it, is it not?
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12 MR. RAMPTON: Absolutely.
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14 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Even if everyone else in the High Street was
15 paying no more.
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17 MR. RAMPTON: That is right. There is a comparative element in
18 that, of course.
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20 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes.
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22 MR. RAMPTON: You cannot arrive at that position -- one talks
23 in absolutes but, in the end, an estimate of what is low
24 must depend to some extent -----
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26 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It is something to measure it against,
27 certainly.
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29 MR. RAMPTON: Yes, there must be something to measure it
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32 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes, very well. Then page 39. It seems to
33 me there is absolutely no doubt that the turnover at
34 McDonald's is high; it was higher, it is still high.
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36 MR. RAMPTON: Yes.
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38 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Is that not so?
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40 MR. RAMPTON: Nobody is disputing that.
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42 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No.
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44 MR. RAMPTON: McDonald's make every effort to bring it down, as
45 your Lordship has seen from the evidence.
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47 MR. JUSTICE BELL: What can really explain that other than -- I
48 will put it rather more mildly -- indifferent pay and/or
49 indifferent conditions? I have in mind what has been said
50 about the mother who has to go home and the student who has
51 to go back to school or college, and so on, but what sort
52 of percentage on the figures I have got can that deal
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55 MR. RAMPTON: One does not know. There are not any precise
56 figures on it. With respect, that is only one of the
57 factors. If one looks at Lynne Meade's turnover figures --
58 I have given the percentages somewhere -- one finds that it
59 is a very small percentage that have stayed for less than
60 three months. I forget what it is, it is something about
