Day 128 - 24 May 95 - Page 27
1 A. They would then be put on salary and become a Second
2 Assistant Manager.
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4 Q. When would they get training in First Aid?
5 A. I believe it is shortly after the basic Operations
6 course.
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8 Q. Which lasts how long?
9 A. Well, the basic Operations course is a week; the First
10 Aid course is four days.
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12 Q. Do management come in at levels higher than the Second
13 Assistant Manager?
14 A. No, they do not, and neither would a Second Assistant
15 run shifts straightaway when they have come off their basic
16 Operations course.
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18 Q. So if they are getting First Aid training in the first
19 couple of weeks, why are only 80 to 90 per cent of salaried
20 managers trained in First Aid?
21 A. It is the first couple of weeks after they have taken
22 their basic operations course. They will have been trainee
23 managers then for three, four months.
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25 Q. But they would not be salaried?
26 A. Yes, they would be salaried Trainee Managers. There
27 are two routes to salaried management, through crew up
28 through Floor Managers, which is all hourly paid, but some
29 people, in fact, most salaried management, join as Trainee
30 Managers. They are salaried from the time they join.
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32 Now, the reason we would not be 100 per cent is that there
33 is that last phase between when they take their basic
34 Operations course and when they go on their First Aid
35 course and, perhaps, some catching up to do -- I would hope
36 not now -- with the people who have been with us a while.
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38 Q. You think that would account for 20 per cent of salaried
39 management?
40 A. I do not know. Those are the figures I have been
41 given, so they are right as far as I am aware.
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43 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Mrs. Mead's statement said that in 1989 the
44 figure for turnover for salaried management, including
45 Trainee Managers, was 23.2, and it was 15.4 at the time of
46 her statement which was made at the beginning of last year.
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48 MS. STEEL: Do you have a copy of the Successful Health and
49 Safety Management document, that you said that you fell in
50 love with, in your files?
51 A. I do, yes. It is a standard HMSO publication . In
52 fact, I have several copies. We use it as part of the
53 intermediate health and safety course as well.
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55 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Did you actually give a title of the
56 document -- I cannot remember -- yesterday?
57 A. It is called Successful Health and Safety Management.
58 It is HSE65 in the HSE publications.
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60 MR. JUSTICE BELL: That was actually the title, not just a
