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     1        face and you standing on the touch lines screaming,
     2        'fucking collaborator'?
     3        A.  I don't know where you get these stories from, but they
     4        are just not true.  I have never seen Mr. Morris shake his
     5        fists in anybody's face, least of all Mrs Brinley-Codd's,
     6        and I have never shouted "you fucking collaborator" at Mrs
     7        Brinley-Codd either.
     8
     9   Q.   Right.  Let us get on with these notes, Miss Steel.  Pass
    10        now, please, to page 68.  Yes, 25th January 1990.  These
    11        are, I think, Mr. Pocklington's notes and he has written
    12        down that Mr. Gravett -- this is in the first paragraph --
    13        you, Andrew Clarke, John, Jonathan, Moe, Dave and Marion
    14        were there.  This is at 6 Endsleigh Street.  But I do not
    15        know whether the address is correct or not.  Do you accept
    16        that you were there?
    17        A.  6 Endsleigh Street, yes.
    18
    19   Q.   Have you got your answers to interrogatories there?
    20        A.  Yes.
    21
    22   Q.   Can you please turn to interrogatory 29?
    23        A.  Yes.
    24
    25   Q.   Question: "Did you not on 25th January 1990 attend an open
    26        meeting by London Greenpeace at 5 Endsleigh Street, London
    27        WC1?"  Answer, "No"?
    28        A.  Yes.
    29
    30   Q.   Is that an honest answer?
    31        A.  Yes.  You have hit the nail right on the head.  It says
    32        5 Endsleigh Street.  When we got advice about answering
    33        these we were advised to answer, no, because we had not
    34        been to any meetings at 5 Endsleigh Street.
    35
    36   Q.   Did the people who advised you tell you the rule about
    37        against swearing by the card; do you know what that means?
    38        A.  No.
    39
    40   Q.   Being clever, clever, and saying, "You have got the wrong
    41        address therefore I can give a clever answer, no".
    42        Wouldn't the honest answer have been--
    43        A.  Nobody said anything to me about that.
    44
    45   Q.   But think about it, never mind what the advice was, think
    46        about it.  Wouldn't the honest answer have been, "Yes, I
    47        was at a meeting but you have got the address wrong"?
    48        A.  It is probably on a par with the sort of things that
    49        your clients do when they answer about whether or not they
    50        have got documents and whether they have -- as far as I was
    51        concerned, this was legal advice that we were given that we
    52        should answer, no, and, you know, if that is the way that
    53        people in the legal profession normally do things, then why
    54        is it up to me to say something different?
    55
    56   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  In my experience it is certainly not, you
    57        see, but you say that is the advice you were given?
    58        A.  Yes.  In my experience it is the way that people in the
    59        legal -- obviously, I am not saying everybody, but the way
    60        that people in the legal profession carry on because, for

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