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         MR. RAMPTON:  Dr. Barnard.
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         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I do not want to wander off, for instance,
     3        if you can possible muster his fare and get him here that
              might be very important from your point of view.  There
     4        are various things like that I would like to raise.
 
     5   MS. STEEL:   We are trying to.
 
     6   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I do not want to wander off into that now,
              but we have to have a little time next week when we are
     7        not calling a witness just to consider these things.
 
     8   MR. RAMPTON:  I agree with that. The only thing I would say is
              that I would rather it happened in the earlier part of the
     9        week than later.
 
    10   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What I propose to do is to leave the
              situation like this, that where a specific article is
    11        referred to by the witness in the witness box to support a
              point of view. I will say no more than this at the
    12        moment:  It is highly desirable, especially if it is
              expected that weight will be attached for reliance on that
    13        specific article that it be produced.  I understand why by
              sheer force of necessity one has to take a different view
    14        where an expert refers to an article which itself is a
              review of a large number of articles, because otherwise
    15        you end up looking at everything which is at the bottom of
              the pyramid and that is totally far too burdensome.  I
    16        understand that.  If we can find the vegetarian school
              girls and the Finns, so much the better.
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         MR. RAMPTON:  Vegetarian school girls -- can you give us a
    18        clue, Professor Wheelock, they do not come to mind.  They
              are not like the seventh day adventists?
    19        A.  No, this is quite a recent one.  To the best of my
              knowledge, it was in the British Journal of Nutrition.
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         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It was the one Professor Wheelock mentioned
    21        this morning.
 
    22   MR. RAMPTON:  Anaemic school girls?
              A.  Yes.
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         Q.   You can find that for us?
    24        A.  Yes, I will track that down.
 
    25   MS. STEEL:   I think Mr. Rampton is extremely lucky to be going
              away for the whole of August.  Realistically, while we are 
    26        in court, we cannot be compiling documents.  I do not know 
              what we can do.  It is an impossible situation. 
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         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You just have to do your best.  If a dispute
    28        like this arises, we will talk about it then and see what
              the situation is and how best we can put anything which
    29        has gone wrong right.  Essentially, in some instances you
              are going to be relying to some extent upon your experts
    30        themselves.  I appreciate if they are on the other side of
              the Atlantic, or a particular one is, that may lead to

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