Day 114 - 04 Apr 95 - Page 66


     
     1        course.
     2
     3   MR. RAMPTON:  If that is all it is and your Lordship is content
     4        to leave it like that, I certainly am.
     5
     6   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  All I am saying is that the statement by you
     7        that much of Dr. Long's evidence about pigs has no
     8        application to D.G. Bowes & Sons is a comment.
     9
    10   MR. RAMPTON:  I know it is.  All I am saying is I could, to use
    11        a horrid modern expression, stand up that comment in
    12        cross-examination of Dr. Long.  It may not be the best use
    13        of your Lordship's time.
    14
    15   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You must take your own course.
    16
    17   MR. MORRIS:  Can I say something?
    18
    19   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  In a moment, yes.  Do you have particular
    20        parts which you would like?
    21
    22   MR. RAMPTON:  I have not got the references because I have not
    23        made them because it was my suspicion that Dr. Long was not
    24        as familiar with Mr. Bowes' evidence as perhaps he might
    25        have wished to have been.  I can tell your Lordship what
    26        the topics are which seem to me to be, as it were, quite
    27        unlike the general evidence that Dr. Long has been giving
    28        about pigs.  There is the amperage.  For that one needs the
    29        tables which Mr. Bowes produced.
    30
    31   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Do we have a reference to those?
    32
    33   MR. RAMPTON:  Yes, my Lord.  It is at the back of his statement.
    34
    35   MS. STEEL:  I have serious concerns about that.
    36
    37   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Let Mr. Rampton finish.  Then I will hear
    38        what you have to say.
    39
    40   MR. RAMPTON:  Volume IX tab 7, the measurements which he says
    41        were done by the Meat and Livestock Commission and somebody
    42        else I forget who.  That is topic one.  These are in no
    43        particular order.  There is the so-called use of
    44        antibiotics which are used in a routine way at Bowes.
    45        There is the use of wallows.  There is the lack of
    46        castration.  There is the absence of dry sow stalls, the
    47        absence of tethers.
    48
    49   MS. STEEL:  There is not.
    50 
    51   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Just let Mr. Rampton finish first. 
    52 
    53   MR. RAMPTON:  There is the particular use of nose rings which
    54        have a particular function in certain circumstances.  There
    55        is absence of goads.
    56
    57   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think you had better pause there.  What do
    58        you want to say?
    59
    60   MR. MORRIS:  I am not happy about this whole approach by

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