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     1        not sought leave and he needs it.
     2
     3   MR. MORRIS:  I am going to ask him to explain what he means in
     4        the statement.
     5
     6   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  There is nothing in his statement which I do
     7        not understand at the moment, so tell me what it is you
     8        have in mind.  Perhaps a lot of people in your position
     9        would, having got this far, leave it well alone.
    10
    11   MR. MORRIS:  What the shift running floor Manager, what he was
    12        doing, his responsibilities were, what times of shifts he
    13        was aware of, or was on, the paperwork.
    14
    15   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Just take it steadily because you are asking
    16        me to say:  "Yes, you can ask about these things", so just
    17        go through them.
    18
    19   MR. MORRIS:  All right.  The paperwork that he had to do, what
    20        he was trained to do -- I think we have dealt with Milton
    21        Keynes -- how these targets were set that he refers to in
    22        his section 1, and ask him to explain about the watering
    23        down of food, what he means for the specific items that
    24        Mark Davis went into at great length, what does he mean by
    25        squeezing the fry cartons.
    26
    27   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That does not need explanation.
    28
    29   MR. MORRIS:  No, Mark Davis dealt with that.
    30
    31   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What I am anxious that you should not do is,
    32        having elicited the evidence in a written statement, just
    33        go all over it again.
    34
    35   MR. MORRIS:  No, I understand that.
    36
    37   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Subject to anything Mr. Rampton says, what I
    38        have certainly got no objection to is you putting what you
    39        have heard Mark Davis say about these matters.  For
    40        instance, reasons why it would not be sensible for this
    41        practice to occur with regard to watering down, and matters
    42        of that kind.
    43
    44   MR. MORRIS:  Yes.  I cannot remember the individual quotes of
    45        Mark Davis, but I remember that it was dealt with in great
    46        detail.
    47
    48   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, but what I do not want you to do is just
    49        say:  "Would you like to expand on that?" because
    50        I understand what is happening, the evidence which has been 
    51        given.  What I am saying is if you do remember something 
    52        Mark Davis said about it and want to put that, then I have 
    53        no objection.  But what I do not want you to do, because
    54        I do not think it serves any useful purpose, is just go
    55        through the statement saying:  "Would you like to say more
    56        about that?"
    57
    58   MR. MORRIS:  I asked him to explain what he means on specific
    59        things I do not think there is any harm in that.
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