Day 260 - 11 Jun 96 - Page 59


     
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     2   MS. STEEL:  I will leave it.
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     4   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I have to say, I have one particular friend
     5        who is serving a very long time in a secure hospital.
     6        I hate to think because I consider him a friend, it had
     7        anything to do with my character.  It is just not relevant
     8        unless it is brought in.
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    10   MS. STEEL:   It was not a friend, is what I would have put to
    11        the witness, anyway.
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    13   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It would not be any evidence against you even
    14        if it was.  There we are.  Let us just brush it on one
    15        side, unless and until it is positively brought into the
    16        arena by Mr. Rampton, which seems highly unlikely.
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    18   MS. STEEL:   If we move on to the part below, it says:
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    20        "Most of the subsequent meeting was taken up discussing yet
    21        again the approaching Greenpeace fair.  At one point
    22        someone referred to it as the anti-McDonald's fair but were
    23        corrected by Paul Gravett.  This discussion as before was
    24        stretched out by those present being unable to agree on
    25        many aspects of the coming event."
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    27        Now, you have got two of who you considered to be, in the
    28        previous week's notes -- well, actually not, but in your
    29        statement about the previous week -- two of the lead
    30        persons, i.e., myself and Mr. Gravett ---
    31        A.  Yes.
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    33   Q.  -- being present at this meeting, and yet there is more of
    34        the other regulars -- for example, John, Jonathan, and so
    35        on.  So, there were still problems with people making any
    36        kind of decision at this meeting?
    37        A.  They were still arguing what is going on, about what is
    38        going to happen at the fair, yes.
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    40   Q.   Is it actually fair to say that it was not at all uncommon
    41        at London Greenpeace meetings for extremely long
    42        discussions not really getting anywhere, not everybody
    43        participating but, certainly, not everyone agreeing and,
    44        effectively, decisions being deferred until a later
    45        meeting, basically, because no kind of agreement could be
    46        come to?
    47        A.  It was not unusual for discussions to take place that
    48        ended without any decisions being made, simply because they
    49        ran out of steam.
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    51   Q.   Or, for example, they were unable to agree on any 
    52        particular aspects? 
    53        A.  Many aspects of the coming events, some people wanted
    54        to do something; other people wanted to do something else;
    55        and there was no agreement at that time.
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    57   Q.   I do not know whether you would remember this, because it
    58        may have been before your time, but would you remember that
    59        I was actually opposed to the fair and I thought the group
    60        ought to be placing more emphasis on pickets and things

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