Day 195 - 04 Dec 95 - Page 57


     
     1   Q.   "At some times of the year, this would occur as regularly
     2        as two or three times a week."
     3        A.  Yes.
     4
     5   Q.   Is that true?
     6        A.  Yes.
     7
     8   Q.   "Late finishes like this also occurred wherever there was
     9        going to be a visit from the Head Office or Area
    10        Supervisor.  Somebody from Head Office often came once
    11        every two weeks and the Area Supervisor might appear as
    12        often as three or four times a week."
    13        A.  Yes.
    14
    15   Q.   So are you saying there that these very late closes, 3.00
    16        or 4.00 in the morning, sometimes even 6.00 or 7.00,
    17        occurred as often as once every two weeks or more often?
    18        A.  No, at certain times of the year they would occur at,
    19        yes, those frequencies, certain times of the year.
    20
    21   Q.   Then, finally, can we have a look at page 11 where there is
    22        a bit more about your hours?
    23
    24   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Just pause a moment.  Where did you get the
    25        "sometimes 6.00 or 7.00", Mr. Rampton?
    26
    27   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, I got it by inference from page
    28        4: "Regularly, I would not finish until 3.00 or 4 a.m. or
    29        even 6.00 or 7 a.m."  The evidence of the witness was that
    30        those all night closes took place in advance of visits from
    31        the Area Supervisor or from Head Office.
    32
    33   MR. MORRIS:  That is not the evidence.
    34
    35   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I have misunderstood it then.  Not from the
    36        Area Supervisor?
    37
    38   THE WITNESS:  No.  All night closes usually took place, yes, not
    39        for Area Supervisors.
    40
    41   MR. RAMPTON:  This is page 6:  "Somebody from Head Office often
    42        came once every two weeks".  I take you to be suggesting
    43        that, therefore, there were all night closes once every two
    44        weeks?
    45        A.  Well, it might happen in a month, you know, that you
    46        get two visits.
    47
    48   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I am sorry.
    49
    50   MS. STEEL:  I did bring this up in-chief.  There is a difference 
    51        between the late night closes and the all night ----- 
    52 
    53   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think we are completely at odds because I
    54        had not interpreted the top of the page as saying that.
    55        I had interpreted it as saying that the 3.00 to 4 a.m.
    56        finishes at some times through the year would occur as
    57        regularly as two or three times a week.
    58
    59   MR. RAMPTON:  That, I understand, my Lord, of course.  I have
    60        gone on to the Head Office visits which, I take the

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