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     1        A.  Yes.
     2
     3   Q.   An obvious question would be in the production of packaging
     4        there is waste, is there not?
     5        A.  In the production of the final product from the paper
     6        that is made for packaging there will be a degree of waste.
     7
     8   Q.   Yes?
     9        A.  Recyclable waste.
    10
    11   Q.   But there is waste, so the calculation that you make
    12        between the carton board factory and the actual McDonald's
    13        packaging does not take into account the wastage between
    14        the two?
    15        A.  I would have some difficulty in answering that because
    16        the figure was given to me as the material required for
    17        packaging.
    18
    19   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Might I suggest that it is a fair point to
    20        make but it is not a matter to take with Mr. Mallinson
    21        because we can see his calculations.  If, for instance,
    22        when Mr. Oakley comes along you find that you have to start
    23        off with 16,000 tonnes of carton board to end up with
    24        13,970 of actual packaging, then we can do another sum if
    25        need be.
    26
    27   MR. MORRIS:  So, forgetting the wastage for the moment, you have
    28        worked out the figure of 21.89 square miles?
    29        A.  Yes.
    30
    31   Q.   And then assume the same process for the USA.  So, the
    32        21.89 is the area for Europe?
    33        A.  It is the area related to the 13,949 tonnes which is
    34        what we understood to be the figure for Europe.
    35
    36   Q.   I understand that.  That is the European calculation.  I do
    37        not think we can go much further on those figures now.
    38        Thank you on that.  If we can go back to your statement?
    39        I think we were up to page 7.  On page 7 the use of
    40        pesticides, you say at the bottom of the first paragraph,
    41         "essential to reduce or eliminate serious infections, or
    42        they are applied in the preparation of seedlings before
    43        planting out".  So, the more often trees are felled, the
    44        more often pesticides are used; would that be correct?
    45        A.  Yes and no, Mr. Morris, because the requirement of
    46        pesticides is nowadays only related to the likelihood of
    47        any early stage problems like the bud weevil or whatever
    48        may be prevalent in that area.  Pesticides would only be
    49        used if there were a danger of the loss of early growth of
    50        trees.  Pesticides are not used as a matter of course; they 
    51        are used as a matter of necessity. 
    52 
    53   Q.   In the preparation of seedlings before planting out they
    54        are not used generally or are they are used?
    55        A.  Well ----
    56
    57   Q.   What percentage of circumstances would they be used?
    58        A.  I think that we do actually give some calculations in
    59        regard to the UK and a little further on, and the use of
    60        them in our country is largely because, in fact, the early

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