Day 263 - 14 Jun 96 - Page 64


     
     1        when you answered what Mr. Rampton asked you earlier on?
     2        A.  What, Geoff from Stamford -----
     3
     4   Q.   Jonathan, the Chair, who was actually, you say, the Chair
     5        of the meeting, and the man who was from Kings Cross who
     6        had a New Zealand accent or Australian accent, 45 to
     7        50 years old; you have mixed those two up, would you
     8        accept, in your recollection?
     9
    10   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Why do you say that?
    11
    12   MR. MORRIS:  Because he said he thought Jonathan might have a
    13        New Zealand accent, and he said one of them had a
    14        New Zealand accent.
    15
    16   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  But he only said "might".
    17
    18   THE WITNESS:  I had not refreshed my memory with looking at the
    19        report then.  Certainly, somebody there had a New Zealand
    20        accent.
    21
    22   MR. MORRIS:  So is it that this report forms the basis -- the
    23        statement was written from this report; this is what the
    24        solicitors had, was it?
    25        A.  Yes, certainly.
    26
    27   Q.   And they typed up the statement based upon the notes or
    28        based upon this report?
    29        A.  Yes.
    30
    31   Q.   Then they put it in front you to sign, and you said, "It is
    32        fine, but I will cross off the thing about the
    33        contemporaneous notes"?
    34        A.  Yes.  There was consultation about this statement.
    35
    36   Q.   They had drafted it, and then said, "Come and sign this if
    37        you agree with it"?
    38        A.  Yes.
    39
    40   Q.   That was the only disagreement you made with it, was the
    41        bit at the end?
    42        A.  Correct.
    43
    44   Q.   You said about this report refreshes your memory, but,
    45        despite reading this report, you are still confused about
    46        which person was which?
    47
    48   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Well, are you?  Now you have read the report,
    49        are you -- if you do have a doubt, please say so.
    50        A.  I am not confused now, my Lord.  I realised Jonathan 
    51        was the Chairman, and there was a separate individual 
    52        there, a man who was aged 40 to 50, who might have been 
    53        Australian or a New Zealander -- two separate people,
    54        presumably.  I am now reminded, or my mind is refreshed
    55        that we are talking here about two separate people.
    56
    57   MR. MORRIS:  Are you good at remembering faces?
    58        A.  Reasonably good, I would say; reasonably good, yes.
    59
    60   Q.   So if, for example, Jonathan was sitting in this courtroom,

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