Day 102 - 13 Mar 95 - Page 30


     
     1        A.  Yes, they would not be, but it is possible that they
     2        would be there at various stages certainly.
     3
     4   Q.   Over that sort of period of time?
     5        A.  Yes.
     6
     7   Q.   2.00 or 3 o'clock in the afternoon until 9 o'clock the
     8        following morning?
     9        A.  Yes, I mean, they could go in and clear specific houses
    10        at different times, according to what the factory requires.
    11
    12   MS. STEEL:   Actually, I make it that they must be more frequent
    13        than every -- no, I will leave it there.
    14
    15   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I only took one an hour because it makes the
    16        mental arithmetic much easier.  It might be more.
    17        I suppose you might get a gap when a lorry does not turn up
    18        just when it is expected to, and so on?
    19        A.  Yes.
    20
    21   MS. STEEL:  Just going back to the training period, that would
    22        be what, say, an hour or so, the first hour of their time
    23        on the job, would it?
    24        A.  I am not sure actually how long the training period
    25        is.  But for most jobs the training is done over a period
    26        of days, so it is not all done in the one session.  They
    27        may have training on health and safety, for example,
    28        separate to the actual training on the job procedure
    29        itself.
    30
    31   Q.   But if it is over the course of a few days then they would
    32        have started work by then, yes?
    33        A.  Yes, they would.
    34
    35   Q.   So basically they are learning on the job?
    36        A.  Yes, they do.
    37
    38   Q.   What about the contract catchers, do you ensure they get
    39        training?
    40        A.  Yes.  The contract catchers are still supervised by our
    41        own supervisors.  They are people like area managers who
    42        specifically travel around observing that procedures are
    43        being carried out properly.
    44
    45   Q.   But they would not remain there the whole time that the
    46        catching was going on?
    47        A.  They would not, but they do pay spot visits and the
    48        farm -- we rely a lot on the farm managers and also the
    49        private growers for feedback on specific catching teams.
    50 
    51   Q.   It is correct, is it not, that some of the catchers have 
    52        complained about the speed that they have to work? 
    53        A.  They probably have, yes.
    54
    55   Q.   That there is no time for them to take concern over the
    56        welfare of the birds because of the speed that they are
    57        working at?
    58        A.  If they say that, I think the company would disagree.
    59
    60   Q.   In what way would the company disagree?  What would the

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