Day 056 - 28 Nov 94 - Page 42
1 A. More likely 80 years.
2
3 Q. So, without going into details of your calculations, if you
4 calculate -- I cannot remember what the figure you gave was
5 -- .96 square miles of forest, clear cut, it would take a
6 forest -- that is per year, is it, sorry, yes -- it would
7 take a forest that was 90 times that to be able to do that
8 and replant effectively each year, yes?
9 A. I think we have to look at the example for what it
10 contains. The example contains an area of thinning
11 whereby, in fact, we have done nothing but improve the
12 forest for its future. In other words, we have given it
13 advantages for the future in growth terms, we have opened
14 it up in other ecological terms. And the area which we
15 have taken out in terms of thinning which, when
16 regenerated, will take 80 years to become fully matured.
17 But do not forget that in that 80 years it will be giving a
18 yield in terms of thinnings. So that, in other words, even
19 though you take out a certain number of hectares by
20 clearfelling, you are then going to regenerate and you will
21 have a contribution to future packaging material in the
22 three thinnings before the final felling. So, it is not 80
23 years before anything happens.
24
25 Q. So would you calculate 0.96 square miles of
26 forest clearfelling, which is what you put in your -----
27 A. Yes.
28
29 Q. Is that an actual area that would be clearfelled or is that
30 -- when you say "clearfelling" that would be all the
31 considerations, whether it is thinned or clearfelled, are
32 lumped together?
33 A. No. Again, I probably have not helped in making it
34 easy in the way this is expressed, because I took the view
35 that what was the concern that was being expressed was that
36 forest was being destroyed; in other words, that 800 square
37 miles of forest was required, destroyed, literally ceased
38 to be forest, to provide McDonald's with its requirements.
39 I looked at this and said, well, that means in their terms
40 that 800 square miles is clearfelled. So, the figure that
41 I have shown here which is .96 square miles is only the
42 clearfelled area.
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44 MR. JUSTICE BELL: In addition, I mean, if we look,
45 approximately half as much is also being thinned -- I am
46 looking at page 5 of your statement -- because 8.4 is
47 approximately half of 17.8?
48 A. Correct.
49
50 MR. MORRIS: So, which line are we on?
51
52 MR. JUSTICE BELL: On page 5 near the top.
53 A. Near the top under "Forest Production".
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55 MR. MORRIS: Yes.
56 A. In very simple terms, I have calculated this 17.8
57 hectares of clearfelled as being the equivalent of .96
58 square kilometres. Now, if one were to then say: "But,
59 ah, you have taken timber out of 8.4 hectares by thinning
60 and, therefore, you should include it in that", then will
