Day 114 - 04 Apr 95 - Page 51
1 give me -- you see, I think if it is that voltage, if it is
2 that amperage, it would not be a mains voltage, I would
3 think, but I just want clarification, please?
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5 MS. STEEL: I do not know, the voltage without a load was 134.2
6 volts?
7 A. That would sound about right. There is a bit of
8 argument about the resistance of a pig's head, but at that
9 amperage I would say that it would have to be accurately
10 placed, if it is at that voltage, to give a stun beyond
11 just paralysis, a temporary stun. That would mean that the
12 pig would have very soon afterwards to have its throat cut.
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14 MR. MORRIS: Apart from a quick look over the international
15 scene, I think we have dealt with most matters. There was
16 one question you could answer while I am doing that. Some
17 of McDonald's witnesses have averred that the fact that
18 animals in their care or control or in their suppliers'
19 control eat or, in the case of poultry, lay eggs, that is a
20 sign they must be happy. What is your view about that
21 whole area of opinion?
22 A. That does not tie up at all. Many fat, apparently over
23 fed, human beings are very unhappy. Some people and
24 animals eat because they are unhappy.
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26 MR. JUSTICE BELL: What is your basis that animals eat because
27 they are unhappy?
28 A. Because there is nothing much else for them to do.
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30 Q. I understand that, but what is the basis for saying they
31 they eat because they are unhappy?
32 A. Because they, as I say, they have little else to play
33 with, little else to do. It is offered to them. It is
34 very often tasty and they fall victim to the vices that
35 many of us do, that if it is tasty -- with pigs, for
36 instance, particularly, if you put sweet things in the feed
37 it is like putting sweet things in food for human beings.
38 They will tend to eat a lot of it. It will overcome their
39 natural appetite, regulation, if you like. You have to
40 remember that while they are eating these feeds, they are
41 stepped up very much with protein so that they their growth
42 is abnormal, as illustrated particularly with cattle.
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44 MR. MORRIS: You have the international evidence, or alleged
45 evidence, that was provided to the Defendants, yes?
46 A. Yes.
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48 Q. About the conditions of animals; you wanted to go through
49 it, is that correct?
50 A. Well, you gave me this evidence and I suggested that
51 you wanted me to assess it.
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53 Q. Yes, OK.
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55 MR. JUSTICE BELL: The last thing in the world I want you to do
56 is assess the evidence because that is my job alone. I am
57 not criticising you, Dr. Long, because you may have been
58 asked to do something which it is not really yours to do.
59 What I would most be interested in is your own experience
60 of what happens in other countries in so far as it is
