Day 269 - 25 Jun 96 - Page 44


     
     1        about the interpretation of the evidence.
     2
     3   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, I will not go to the Scottish paper now,
     4        if I do at all, because it is not actually my function to
     5        help you I am afraid.
     6
     7   MS. STEEL:  Before we leave, can I just say I think that is
     8        second occasion when Mr. Rampton has said that the
     9        considerations presented in paragraph 3.8 is with reference
    10        to heart disease.
    11
    12   MR. RAMPTON:  Is that wrong?
    13
    14   MS. STEEL:  Yes.  Heart disease is not actually mentioned in
    15        paragraph 3.8 at all, as far as I can see.  It is just
    16        general details about dietary reference values of fat.
    17
    18   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, would that be a convenient moment?
    19
    20   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   Yes.  Just let me look at that.  Well, I
    21        understood 3.8 to be dietary reference values for fat.
    22
    23   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, it is.
    24
    25   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Then I wrote in at some stage in passing in
    26        pencil, "having considered the range of possible
    27        conditions."  By which I meant diseases to which it might
    28        be related.
    29
    30   MR. RAMPTON:  No, my Lord.  The reason, as it turned out for
    31        once in my life I am right, the reason I was specific about
    32        it is that it specifically mentioned 3.4.18, which is the
    33        recommendations in relation to cardiovascular disease.
    34
    35   MS. STEEL:  Yes.  But 3.8 is not specifically about heart
    36        disease.
    37
    38   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  But then 3.5.6 is the one in relation to
    39        cancer.
    40
    41   MR. RAMPTON:  Exactly.  But what 3.5.6 is saying is that, for
    42        other reasons as I interpret it, there are grounds for the
    43        recommendation but not in relation to cancer itself.  The
    44        principal other reason, if one looks at 3.8, is what is
    45        said in 3.4.18 which is the recommendation relating to
    46        prevention of cardiovascular disease?
    47        A.   My Lord, I wonder if could comment on this?
    48
    49   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   Yes?
    50        A.   It is sometime since I read that report when it came
    51        out a few years ago and I want remember being unhappy about
    52        its conclusions before.  I seem to recollect that on
    53        previous occasions when, for example, the Royal College of
    54        Physicians produced their report on diet and heart disease,
    55        that the COMA committee, the same government committee,
    56        produced a similar kind of report on diet and heart
    57        disease.  But their report was very much clouded at that
    58        time, in the same kind of careful comments, that they did
    59        not want to commit themselves.
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