Day 293 - 04 Nov 96 - Page 30
1 not at the moment at all convinced it is right. And no one
2 actually did the calculation which you have done on your
3 sheet of paper.
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5 MR. MORRIS: Right.
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7 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Even supposing, which at the moment I have
8 no reason to suppose, the 800 pounds was an uplift of the
9 350, or whatever it was, that Mr. Harring wrote, the
10 figures you come out with are either 10 or 20 times what
11 you have got from his figures. And he, you say, was
12 working on sustainable basis, and his figures are much
13 higher than anyone else's.
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15 MR. MORRIS: He was doing that in 1972 when McDonald's were
16 probably at least a tenth of the size, maybe a tenth of the
17 size they are now.
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19 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Anyway, carry on. You put your argument and
20 then I will hear what, if anything, Mr. Rampton says and I
21 will have to make a decision on it, if I think it is
22 important.
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24 MR. MORRIS: Anyway, this was put to Mr. Mallinson, and he is
25 the expert. Although it was very confusing the way
26 everything was going in different directions and the
27 information was ----
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29 MR. JUSTICE BELL: This will be my last interruption. I can
30 see why that is so, because if, rightly or wrongly, you
31 have said that if we work in this way the forest is
32 sustainable, and you are happy yourself that the
33 sustainable forest is of the kind he is talking about is
34 ecologically acceptable, and provided you are not depriving
35 the earth surface of any significant part of its cover of
36 trees, it does not matter how many thousands of square
37 miles they are, the forest is going on working and living
38 all the time.
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40 There is a difference between him and Mr. Hopkins about
41 that, but your areas, provided you have got the areas, do
42 not matter, because it is like taking apples off a tree
43 each August or something.
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45 MR. MORRIS: Obviously, our case is that the plantation
46 forestry is damaging to the environment.
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48 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I understand all that, but -----
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50 MR. MORRIS: I think everyone agrees with it.
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52 MR. JUSTICE BELL: If you adopt his view of it, no one needs to
53 get down to how many square miles or acres it is.
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55 MR. MORRIS: I would say Mr. Mallinson accepted our case on the
56 environmental damage. He did not maybe agree to it to the
57 same extent that Mr. Hopkins did.
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59 MR. JUSTICE BELL: What I am saying is, no-one does the exercise
60 that you are seeking to do because it is not germane to
