Day 165 - 27 Sep 95 - Page 30


     
     1        the following morning, Mr. Rampton said that, in effect, it
     2        was not worth the hassle and he was going to let you keep
     3        it anyway.
     4
     5   MR. MORRIS:  OK.
     6
     7   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You said:  "Well, that is because he had no
     8        case to put to you", and that was the end of that, but we
     9        never got to having the argument and I never got it to
    10        reading the authorities.
    11
    12   MR. MORRIS:  I do not particularly want to go through that
    13        argument.
    14
    15   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You have to decide, you see, whether you
    16        are.  I am not going to deal with this today.  You have to
    17        decide whether you are making a formal application for the
    18        return of the original of this document and, if you are,
    19        you have to tell me about it, you have to tell Barlows
    20        about it, the authorities have to be produced, there may
    21        have to be evidence.  If you fail in that, it stays where
    22        it is.  If you succeed in that so that the original is
    23        returned, I take any photocopy of it out of the bundle.
    24
    25   MR. MORRIS:  OK.  That seems to be that.  While we are on Costa
    26        Rica -- always an intriguing subject -- we have a Civil
    27        Evidence Act Notice placed upon the interview with Sergio
    28        Contana.  I do not know if I highlighted the bits -- is
    29        there a highlighted section?
    30
    31   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.  I would like you to tell me where
    32        I should put that?
    33
    34   MR. MORRIS:  In our Civil Evidence Act Notices, it could go in
    35        two places; either in our Civil Evidence Act Notices,
    36        General Environmental section, or behind Peter Heller's
    37        statement.
    38
    39   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think it should go in your Civil Evidence
    40        Act Notices, Destruction of the Environment.
    41
    42   MR. MORRIS:  OK.
    43
    44   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, I think it should become volume 1C,
    45        section L, No. 7.
    46
    47   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I finish with Siegfried Pater at No. 5 there.
    48
    49   MR. RAMPTON:  Your Lordship should have something from somebody
    50        called France Wurtz. 
    51 
    52   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, that is right, I remember that.  That is 
    53        6.
    54
    55   MR. RAMPTON:  So this piece of transcript becomes 7.  Although I
    56        do not think I am obliged to mention it at this stage -- in
    57        fact, I know that I am not -- I do observe, in case the
    58        Defendants should feel prompted to do anything about it,
    59        that this piece of transcript might be -- I do not say is
    60         -- incomplete, but I do not know.  It is difficult to tell

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