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     1        material such as mill growth that are routinely internally
     2        recycled to make the same or a very similar product".  In
     3        other words, internal to factory that has off cuts that are
     4        just put back into the same process, it is not even
     5        recycled at all?
     6        A.  I understand that.  I do not think that is what we are
     7        talking about, but I do understand that.
     8
     9   Q.   That is all on that file.  Just while Helen is preparing
    10        another series of questions, I will just dodge to something
    11        we missed out when we looked at pink Volume V again.  If we
    12        look at page 684 in that tab 39, this related to something
    13        a bit earlier but I neglected to bring it up then.  Do you
    14        have ---
    15        A.  Tab 39.
    16
    17   Q.   -- page 684?
    18        A.  Yes.
    19
    20   Q.   This is June 1990?
    21        A.  Yes.
    22
    23   Q.   "Packaging - the Facts.  McDonald's have always been
    24        committed to environmentally sound business policies".
    25        This is regarding the difference between polystyrene and
    26        paper:  "The packaging McDonald's uses today as a result of
    27        years of study".  That means McDonald's looked into the
    28        implications of its packaging, yes, over a long period of
    29        time?
    30        A.  The US Corporation would have done that, yes.
    31
    32   Q.   This is the UK fact sheet?
    33        A.  I know, but the specification for packaging comes from
    34        the US.  So the US Corporation would have carried out the
    35        years of study -- we were only just about in business in
    36        the mid-70s.
    37
    38   Q.   It says here up to the mid-70s.  OK.  "McDonald's use paper
    39        and paperboard packaging for all products, but because of
    40        serious concerns at that time for environmentalist about
    41        the destruction of trees, water pollution and the high use
    42        of energy involved in manufacturing paper, we began to
    43        re-evaluate our paper packaging choice."
    44
    45        So there is a recognition there, is there not, that there
    46        have been serious concerns about the environmental effects
    47        of using a large amount of paper packaging; is that
    48        correct?
    49        A.  Yes.
    50 
    51   Q.   Then you say:  "McDonald's uses polystyrene foam packaging 
    52        for the same reasons hospitals, supermarkets, grocery, 
    53        shops and other restaurants do. It provides the safest and
    54        most sound and suitable way to serve hot fresh foods.  Foam
    55        packaging is more energy and resource efficient to produce
    56        than paper or cardboard".  You say in the UK -- that is not
    57        what the conclusion we saw earlier on which you agreed with
    58        of the McDonald's and Environmental Defence Fund conclusion
    59        about the high percentage of extra to polystyrene
    60        manufacturing of, for example, emissions, water use, do you

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