Day 155 - 14 Jul 95 - Page 60
1 A. Yes.
2
3 Q. So in a period of a year how many times would that happen?
4 Would it happen once, twice, five times?
5 A. I could not tell you. It could be 20, it could be 30,
6 it could be 60. I really -- it did happen quite a
7 few -- no less than 20 times at least, no less.
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9 Q. You said that 20 to 30 per cent of the people had
10 management ambitions, crew members, and they could progress
11 to Floor Manager. When people have management ambitions,
12 you said that, does that mean they were prepared to go up?
13 Were they just saying: "Oh, I would like to be Floor
14 Manager and I would not want to go any further than that",
15 or did you mean that they would be happy to continue -----
16 A. It is very difficult to tell, because some people
17 wanted to go into floor management and might have been
18 doing a business related course in the poly or college or
19 whatever. Once the course had finished, some of them went
20 into salaried management, some of them went into other
21 fields and stayed part-time Floor Manager. It is very
22 difficult to tell.
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24 Q. When you said 20 to 30 per cent, what percentage do you
25 reckon of crew -----
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27 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Let us take it in numbers. It would mean
28 that something like 20 to 30 of the 100 people there had
29 ambitions to get to Floor Manager anyway. Is that what you
30 are really saying?
31 A. Yes, Floor Manager.
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33 Q. Some of the 100 had reached Floor Manager?
34 A. Yes, floor management and above.
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36 Q. Yes. I think what Mr. Morris is asking, of that, say, 20
37 to 30, how many have got an eye on salaried management as
38 opposed to being satisfied if they get to Floor Manager?
39 A. Salaried management, I probably -- maybe, say, about
40 five, five people, six people, maximum.
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42 MR. MORRIS: So would it be fair to say that when you talk about
43 management ambitions then, you are not talking about want
44 to be salaried?
45 A. Well, when we speak in management in general, for me
46 that means management as in salaried and floor management.
47 That is what my assumption is.
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49 Q. Right, so when you say "management ambitions", you mean
50 people who might want to go up to Floor Manager or above?
51 A. Yes.
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53 MR. JUSTICE BELL: That is what he said, and that is why I asked
54 the further question because ---
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56 MR. MORRIS: They might change their mind.
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58 MR. JUSTICE BELL: -- it is a fraction again, a quarter or one
59 in four or one in six actually might have had their eye on
60 salaried management. It is helpful to give these estimates
