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     1        facility for people who needed packaging?
     2        A.  Widely available?
     3
     4   Q.   Yes.
     5        A.  I would have said the late 80s, but I could not be more
     6        specific than that.
     7
     8   Q.   Do you know -- again if you do not know, say so -- your
     9        Scottish manufacturer or supplier of paper bags has been
    10        including some recycled content in those bags for something
    11        like 13 years; is that right?
    12        A.  Or more.
    13
    14   Q.   Or more?
    15        A.  Yes.
    16
    17   Q.   Yes.  Is there, as far as you know, any technical
    18        difference of difficulty between the production of, let us
    19        say, a paper bag on the one hand and a fry carton, which is
    20        going to come into contact with the actual potatoes, on the
    21        other hand; is it technically easier, the same, or more
    22        difficult?
    23        A.  I would have said that the type of fry carton that we
    24        are using, the 72 per cent recycled carton which is a
    25        sandwich between two layers of virgin board, was
    26        technically more difficult to produce.
    27
    28   Q.   Can I ask you this?  Do you have any anxiety or concern
    29        that, so far as the use of recycled paper is concerned,
    30        McDonald's were a late arrival on the environmental scene?
    31        A.  I have no concern.
    32
    33   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think in case what I said is
    34        misinterpreted, I will say what the recollection was, that
    35        there was a depot in the town on the fringes of which
    36        I lived; it was about 1950 and if you collected as much
    37        newspaper together as you possibly could and tied it in a
    38        big bundle, you could take it down, put it on an enormous
    39        set of scales and get a few coppers for it.  That is all.
    40        I do not recall there actually being any newspaper there
    41        and it may be that recycling of newspaper has been going
    42        for very much longer than other kinds of shiney paper, and
    43        so on?
    44        A.  Well, I totally concur because I used to do the same
    45        thing, my Lord, with newspapers, but I think the question
    46        was when was recycling widely -----
    47
    48   MR. RAMPTON:  Widely available.
    49        A.  Widely available.  I would not have said recycling
    50        newspapers at that time made recycling generally widely 
    51        available. 
    52 
    53   Q.   No, I did qualify it by saying so far as something who uses
    54        packaging is concerned?
    55        A.  OK.
    56
    57   Q.   What his Lordship's newspapers and, I would have to add,
    58        mine and yours what actually made into in the end, I have
    59        absolutely no idea.
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