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     1        it -- has the company taken any steps to reduce the number
     2        of burns in their restaurants, any particular steps, that
     3        you can think of?
     4        A.  I find it difficult to think of any specific course of
     5        action we have taken to reduce burns in restaurants.  But
     6        then again I was not, I did not have responsibility for
     7        health and safety at the time (inaudible) until the last
     8        six months.  Perhaps training is the area -- I most
     9        definitely know we have improved and revised our training
    10        systems since that area since -- sorry, since that moment
    11        in time.
    12
    13   Q.   Was that in relation to burns specifically or generally?
    14        A.  I have nothing to offer specifically on action that we
    15        have taken on burns.
    16
    17   Q.   4.11, actually 4.10 and 4.11, if you can read 4.10 and
    18        4.11?
    19        A.  OK.  I have read 4.10 and 4.11.
    20
    21   Q.   In terms of 4.11, do you know of any statistics that were
    22        produced before 1991 on RIDDOR accidents?
    23        A.  I do not know of any.  That is not to say that there
    24        were not any, but I do not know of any.
    25
    26   Q.   But in order to monitor your performance, you would have to
    27        know whether things are improving or getting worse, would
    28        you not?
    29        A.  Yes.
    30
    31   Q.   So do you have any reason to disbelieve this 4.11, that
    32        there were no RIDDOR accident statistics before 1991?
    33        A.  Can I just read that again?
    34
    35   Q.   Yes.
    36        A.  I do not think there is anything there that implies it
    37        had not been collected before.  I think that is when the
    38        company Health and Safety Officer position came into
    39        place.  It may well be, I would have thought, that we would
    40        have had come collection of those statistics, but again
    41        I was not around at that moment in time to give you a
    42        direct answer.
    43
    44   Q.   But you were a Regional Supervisor, were you, at that time?
    45        A.  Yes, I was an Operations Manager at that time.
    46
    47   Q.   For East Anglia?
    48        A.  East Anglia.
    49
    50   Q.   So you would have been someone who would have been 
    51        concerned about health and safety issues at that time --- 
    52        A.  Within the restaurant. 
    53
    54   Q.   -- with an overview?
    55        A.  Yes.
    56
    57   Q.   So did you ever bring up at any of your meetings of
    58        regional operations managers about the need for national
    59        statistics or anything like that?
    60        A.  We did not.  We just contributed our statistics to all

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