Day 151 - 10 Jul 95 - Page 49


     
     1        sure those Xs were correct, because it was all manual.  So
     2        there was an ongoing process.
     3
     4   Q.   You said in your statement, at the last line of page 4:
     5
     6        "The Defendants have suggested that some managers would
     7        make a practice of clocking out young people at the proper
     8        time and then keeping them on the restaurants with a
     9        bonus", which you say you have never came across.
    10
    11        What about if they worked past their proper time but that
    12        was put on at the beginning of the shift the next day?
    13        A.  So the manager would clock them out and then the -----
    14
    15   Q.   Would you know that?
    16        A.  Sorry?
    17
    18   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What are you suggesting:  that someone clocks
    19        them in early to make up for that, or that you just pay an
    20        unrecorded extra amount?
    21
    22   MR. MORRIS:  That when people start at 12 the next day, or they
    23        are put down as starting at 12 noon, they actually come in
    24        at two, because those two hours they worked the previous
    25        night or two nights ago when they should not have done.
    26        That is quite an easy thing to do, is it not?
    27        A.  I think it would suggest that the whole management team
    28        are in cahoots along with the individual.  I think my
    29        recollection of the under-18s is they were probably at
    30        school or at college, so the idea of the night shift
    31        manager clocking them off early and then the day shift
    32        manager clocking them on early as well could not be further
    33        from the truth.
    34
    35   Q.   If that did happen and the managers were in cahoots, or
    36        whatever you said, that is something, when you were
    37        checking the records, you would not be able to see, would
    38        you?  You would not know: "Oh, I remember that person did
    39        not actually come in until two o'clock that day."  It is
    40        something which, if the managers were determined to do
    41        things that escaped your notice, whether or not they did
    42        it, it is possible they could do it?
    43        A.  They did not do it.  As an area supervisor, I have got
    44        to have the utmost faith in the managers.  Sometimes that
    45        faith is broken and people abuse their position.  In this
    46        case -- I do not think I have never even sort of thought
    47        about that system of doing things.  To have that
    48        complicated a system, it would be far better not to have
    49        them working the hours in the first place and hire more
    50        people, if that was the case.  But to suggest that was 
    51        going on is just not right. 
    52 
    53   Q.   That is something you assumed that no reliable manager
    54        would do?  That is something that was based on trust; you
    55        would not expect them to do that kind of thing?
    56        A.  I think the idea of, if the managers were that hell
    57        bent on giving people the hours or going to do anything and
    58        keep it from me, then I would find it difficult to spot.
    59        But, certainly, in determining the number of hours that
    60        people worked versus their scheduled hours, that is

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