Day 007 - 06 Jul 94 - Page 72


     
     1        in the late 80s?
              A.  From the scale of what you are talking about -- no,
     2        I am not aware of that.
 
     3   Q.   For example, the environmental defence fund which
              McDonald's did a joint report on, they were an
     4        environmentalist group, they were concerned about
              recycling, yes?
     5        A.  They were concerned about many more things.
 
     6   Q.   They have been going for a number of years such as Friends
              of the Earth as well which has been mentioned?
     7        A.  The Environmental Defence Fund is concerned with
              minimising environmental impact of the packages we have
     8        produced.  They have helped us with quite a few good
              suggestions on what we might take up, but in terms of
     9        their outcry, I am not aware of what you might be
              referring to.  I am sorry.
    10
         Q.   They said in America that there is a law against using the
    11        word "recyclable" on packaging if it is not itself, if the
              company itself is not engaged in a recycling programme, a
    12        post-consumer recycling programme?
              A.  I am trying to think of exactly what might be -----
    13
         Q.   You would be misleading the public?
    14        A.  The US Federal Trade Commission has put forward
              guidelines that tell you that if you put "recyclable" on a
    15        package there has to be the availability to recycle that
              package in a majority of urban communities.  It is
    16        something like that.  I would have to have the documents
              for the exact reference, but it does not say that the
    17        company has to necessarily provide that recycling, but
              that it is recyclable.  If there is an ability for the
    18        consumer to recycle that at some point, it could be at
              home with recycling.  For instance, Coka Cola does not
    19        recycle aluminium cans, but it is quite known that you can
              put aluminium cans in your home kerb recycle bin and it
    20        will get recycled. Coka Cola does not do it though.
 
    21   Q.   If McDonald's, for example, had a very intensive recycle
              post-consumer waste inside their stores, would you be able
    22        to put "recycle" on your package?
              A.  As long as the package did get recycled, in the
    23        majority of urban communities I think we could put that.
 
    24   Q.   You say that the Corporation is moving towards using CO2
              as a blowing agent; is that correct?
    25        A.  I think that C02 is a good alternative blowing agent
              for us, that again could reduce the environmental impact 
    26        based on regional concerns.  That could be a move that we 
              could make. 
    27
         Q.   So you said C02 is a greenhouse gas; it helps contribute
    28        to the greenhouse effect, generally considered?
              A.  CO2 is, but I also said we would not be a contributor
    29        because we would recycle it off an industrial process.  So
              we would not create CO2 to make the foam.
    30
         Q.   But would it not create a demand in an industry that

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