Day 269 - 25 Jun 96 - Page 27


     
     1   Q.   Table 5?
     2        A.   On page 267 is probably the table that is most
     3        relevant to what we are talking about, which indicates that
     4        in the Australian study that the contribution to fat as a
     5        percentage of the daily effect of the McDonald's meals
     6        rises, as you might expect.  They put a figure of plus 12.8
     7        per cent for one meal a week and plus 23 for two and plus
     8        31 for three as a contribution to fat.
     9
    10        So I think this is somewhat consistent with the kind of
    11        ideas that I was trying to suggest one might use as a guide
    12        for assessing the impact of this type of -- they do, in the
    13        discussion, express some concern, as they do in the
    14        abstract, about the impact of such take-away meals on the
    15        health issue.
    16
    17   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   I have not read the article.  What are they
    18        saying?  That the baseline diet has 23 percent of energy in
    19        fat, or what?
    20        A.   Well, I have not, I must confess, my Lord, I have not
    21        had a chance to really read this properly myself, but just
    22        looking at the tables, table 5, and I would really like
    23        more time to read this paper in closer detail, but it does
    24        look as though they are suggesting that the increase in
    25        dietary fat as a consequence of one take-away meal is 12.8
    26        per cent, of two take-away meals is 23 per cent and of
    27        three take-away meals per week is 31 per cent.
    28
    29        So I think what they are doing is in the Australian
    30        situation, I think this is Western Australia this comes
    31        from, they are putting some numbers from a survey.  This is
    32        the sort of survey that I think one would need to do
    33        longitudinally in much larger numbers if one wanted to
    34        assess the true impact of these outlets on saturated fat
    35        intakes and on risk of chronic disease and heart disease in
    36        particular.  But they are actually putting numbers as a
    37        consequence of the survey, which is, I think, better than
    38        speculating out of the air.
    39
    40   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   Yes.  Thank you.
    41
    42   MR. MORRIS:  I think we have seen that the WHO recommends, in
    43        terms of total fat, something between 15 and 30 per cent of
    44        your calories from fat in your diet as a maximum safe level
    45        and saturated fat 0-10 per cent is a safe level?
    46        A.   Yes.
    47
    48   Q.   Do you have a maximum safe level for -- what is your idea
    49        on saturated fats as between --
    50
    51   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   No.  Where are you going now?
    52
    53   MR. RAMPTON:  You are just going for a ramble.
    54
    55   MR. MORRIS:  Where are we going now?
    56
    57   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   Yes.
    58
    59   MR. MORRIS:  We are trying to get a helpful figure which, you
    60        know, we can make calculations on.

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