Day 275 - 08 Jul 96 - Page 35


     
     1        anyway and would know his phone number if she wanted to
     2        speak to him.
     3
     4             The comment lower down about "it was generally felt
     5        that if he wished to change the subject of the public
     6        meeting he should turn up at weekly meetings in person."
     7        That was also a general view of people in the group, that
     8        if somebody wanted to have input in a particular campaign,
     9        or in a particular meeting or event, that they should
    10        attend meetings and carry out whatever it was that they
    11        wanted to do, that they cannot expect other people to run
    12        around doing what they want them to do.  Obviously, you
    13        know, as a favour for someone you would bring something up
    14        if they could not come to a meeting, but you would not be
    15         -- but people would not just, you know, take instructions
    16        from people who weren't willing to participate themselves.
    17        I mean, they would not take instructions full stop, but in
    18        particular they would not take instructions or act on any
    19        suggestions from people who weren't at least sort of
    20        willing to turn up and get involved in what their proposal
    21        was.
    22
    23             Mr. Bishop says that "he has been looking to see who
    24        actually runs the group and perhaps it is these two".  I
    25        think that is the first time -- I think that is the first
    26        time -- he has seen me.  So, I just think it is a
    27        ridiculous statement.  It is possible that because he
    28        understood Anthony to be saying, or he thought that Anthony
    29        had said, that myself and Dave were the signatories on the
    30        bank account that he then assumed that we were in charge of
    31        everything, which was not the case.  We weren't in charge
    32        of anything, nobody was in charge of anything.  As I have
    33        said, people got involved with what they wanted to get
    34        involved with and did not have to get involved with the
    35        things that they did not want to get involved with.
    36
    37             The next one is page 125.  It is just that when
    38        Mr. Bishop was giving evidence he said something about
    39        -- well, he says in his notes about me looking at him and
    40        he said something about being suspicious of him.  This was
    41        after I had seen Mr. Pocklington speaking to a man in a
    42        pub, who then followed myself and New Zealand John home.
    43        Well, actually, what happened was at a meeting, I think in
    44        March -- it could have been early April -- we had been to
    45        the pub and John had seen Mr. Pocklington speaking to a
    46        man.  John then went home, and on his way home he went into
    47        a phone box and as he went in the phone box he turned
    48        around and he saw the man who he had seen talking in the
    49        pub to Anthony, who had obviously followed him home.  He
    50        then telephoned me and told me about this, and the
    51        following week I took my camera with me to the meeting and
    52        when we were in the pub then, the same man was there, John
    53        pointed him out.  I saw him speaking to Anthony, and I went
    54        home.  I went back with John with the intention of trying
    55        to get a photograph of this person, which I did.  He
    56        followed us on to a housing estate and followed us around
    57        the housing estate.  So, obviously, by this time we were
    58        suspicious about Anthony but, I mean, as far as we were
    59        concerned we could not see any reason why anyone would want
    60        to infiltrate the group.  We did not have nobody who had

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