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     1        I was trying to say to you the other day.
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     3   MR. MORRIS:  For a start, I would say it is already admitted by
     4        McDonald's in the statement of Hans Schum dated 1989.
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     6   MR. RAMPTON:  What is admitted?
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     8   MR. MORRIS:  That McDonald's have used soya, well, cattle that
     9        end up at McDonald's have been fed on soya from Brazil.
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    11   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No.  You really must turn me to it because
    12        I did not get that from it at all.
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    14   MR. MORRIS:  He uses extremely tortuous phrasing language to try
    15        to avoid that conclusion because he was being paid by
    16        McDonald's to do a survey, but at the time in 1989 ----
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    18   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Refer me to his statement.
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    20   MR. MORRIS:  Despite that ----
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    22   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Mr. Morris, will you refer me to his
    23        statement?
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    25   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, may I make a joke?  It is a joke that has
    26        occurred to me before.  I was once led in a case where the
    27        judge said to my learned leader: "Mr. so and so, when I am
    28        speaking perhaps one of us should keep quiet"!
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    30   MR. MORRIS:  I do not know actually what page -----
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    32   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Just listen to me.  I know it is early by the
    33        standards we have been sitting, but I am not going to sit
    34        here while, if you will excuse me saying so, you fidget
    35        around from one bundle to the other looking for what you
    36        want.  I want you to refer me to some -- I will put it in
    37        very general terms -- reasonable basis for the suggestion
    38        that soya from Brazil is fed to cattle (and we are thinking
    39        about German cattle) which become McDonald's patties.
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    41   MR. MORRIS:  Right.  First of all, on page 12 of Mr. Schum's
    42        statement ----
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    44   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Which bundle?
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    46   MR. RAMPTON:  Volume 11, my Lord, yellow, tabs 3 and 4.
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    48   MR. MORRIS:  Tab 3 I am particularly looking for.  Soya bean
    49        meal, which is used as animal fodder, Brazil in 1984 and in
    50        1988 were (according to Dr. Schum anyway) the largest 
    51        exporter of soya bean meal in the world. That is the first 
    52        point.  On the next page at the bottom it says: Countries 
    53        of origin for importation of soya bean meal into the
    54        Federal Republic of Germany, soya bean meal Brazil
    55        1 million tonnes from Brazil go to the Federal Republic of
    56        Germany, and that is 1 million out of the previous pages 7
    57        and a half million tonnes.  I calculate that as 14 per cent
    58        of all the exports go to the Federal or went in 1984.
    59
    60   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I have read all this.  You have to try to get

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