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1 burger as bought with its trimmings.
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3 Q. No, your statement, the end of the sentence refers to this
4 1989 report and that report.
5 A. In here, I suspect, and I think my statement must
6 reflect that, they mean the meat itself, the meat product.
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8 Q. The round bit of pattie.
9 A. The pattie, yes.
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11 Q. Or whatever. So if I look at "burgers" in the type of
12 lunch paragraph for girls, that could mean something which
13 was grilled or fried at home and came, for all I know,
14 with one or two veg?
15 A. Possibly.
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17 Q. Or just put between two slices of bread to make a
18 sandwich, however they chose to ----
19 A. But it would be the meat part of the product they are
20 referring to.
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22 MR. RAMPTON: Dr. Lobstein, unless you want me to give you a
23 bit more time, I am afraid we must leave the government
24 and burgers where they lie.
25 A. It might be easier to look at -- I wish they gave an
26 indication of what they mean by "numbers" in brackets, but
27 the national medium consumption of burgers by the older
28 boys group, for example, my understanding of table 46, was
29 36 grammes of burger a week; but then there is a figure in
30 brackets and it is unclear what that refers to.
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32 MR. JUSTICE BELL: The reason I asked my question is that if it
33 is just the round pattie you put in the frying pan or
34 under the grill, that may have absolutely nothing to do
35 with McDonald's at all.
36 A. True.
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38 Q. --- or fast food at all.
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40 MR. RAMPTON: Can I try this with you? I am tentative about it
41 because I hope I have got from you, Dr. Lobstein, about
42 the meaning of these tables and I have fallen on my face,
43 I am afraid. In that regard, can I try this on you to see
44 what you think? If you take the boys' table, table 50 --
45 this is the age 14 to 15 -- I have no dispute with you
46 that the text of the report fully supports your assertion
47 that boys of this age eat an awful lot of what we call
48 chips, if you turn to page 182 -- do you have it?
49 A. Yes.
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51 Q. The bottom entry is potatoes and potato products. We see
52 under "cafe" -- what these figures mean I have no idea,
53 but we see a figure of 1,050 and in brackets 1,015, do we
54 not?
55 A. Yes, I suspect they are means and mediums.
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57 Q. If you turn back to page 181, the equivalent figure for
58 burgers which again is the penultimate entry on the page,
59 is 0 and (116)?
60 A. Yes, which are medium and mean. Shall I explain? If
