Day 093 - 28 Feb 95 - Page 41


     
     1        I have seen it is the sides.
     2
     3   Q.   The sides?
     4        A.  Yes.
     5
     6   Q.   Do you know what blood carrying vessels are cut in that
     7        cut?
     8        A.  The arteries, the carotid.
     9
    10   Q.   Carotid?
    11        A.  Arteries.
    12
    13   Q.   Both of those would be cut, would they?
    14
    15   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Your voice has dropped down already.
    16        A.  Sorry.  Some of the -- I have not -----
    17
    18   Q.   Do you know which vessels are cut?
    19        A.  No.  I have not checked that at Tysons.
    20
    21   MS. STEEL:  McDonald's have not asked you to check that?
    22        A.  No, we do not.
    23
    24   Q.   How often does it happen that chickens reach the scalder
    25        alive?
    26        A.  Not very often.
    27
    28   Q.   Do you know?
    29        A.  What I have seen is not -- I have not seen animals
    30        reach the scalding water alive.
    31
    32   Q.   You have not seen any ---
    33        A.  No.
    34
    35   Q.   -- but you do not know whether it might happen?
    36        A.  No, that is under the control of the United States
    37        Department of Agriculture and they control that.
    38
    39   Q.   What is the slaughter method in, I think what you refer to
    40        as, under-developed countries?
    41        A.  It is about -- what country?  You have to be specific.
    42
    43   Q.   In the other countries that you have responsibility for, is
    44        this method of slaughter universal?
    45        A.  Pretty much, yes.
    46
    47   Q.   What there are no exceptions?
    48        A.  There are always exceptions.  You talk of developing
    49        countries, that is a lot of countries.
    50 
    51   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Might I suggest, you have got specific 
    52        criticisms which you wish to make of the methods of 
    53        slaughter, what I would suggest is you fix on one
    54        particular criticism and ask are there countries where this
    55        happens.  If the answer is "no" it is no, and if it is
    56        "yes" you can ask which countries.  That might get you to
    57        what you want more quickly than just asking a very general
    58        question about other countries, because the logical result
    59        of that would to be to go through absolutely every country
    60        and ask every detail of the slaughter; whereas if you pick

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