Day 238 - 22 Apr 96 - Page 25


     
     1   Q.   As far as documentation goes of the indigenous peoples'
     2        presence and status and disputes, is there any report more
     3        authoritative than this report which was done by CEDI and
     4        the National Museum?
     5        A.   This, I believe, is the most comprehensive report and
     6        many of the sources come from FUNAI and other organisations
     7        that are working on the ground  So I believe that this is
     8        an authoritative report.
     9
    10   Q.   Is this a report one that is relied upon by all experts in
    11        this subject?
    12        A.   Yes, and it is also compiled by anthropologists whose
    13        trade it is to work with indigenous peoples.
    14
    15   Q.   Right.
    16
    17   MS. STEEL:  Can I just ask, you say you had not been to Mato
    18        Grosso do Sul.  The problems that you have outlined
    19        relating to Mato Grosso do Sul, are there the same problems
    20        throughout Brazil?
    21        A.  Yes.  For example, in Romdonia and the Roraima States
    22        where I have been, the problems there are very similar
    23        where you have cattle ranchers who have taken indigenous
    24        peoples' land, taken appropriated land, and where also
    25        there is the situation of great conflict.  I have visited
    26        those areas personally, spoken to indigenous people who
    27        have suffered from the impact of cattle ranching and the
    28        situation of Mato Grosso is very similar.  It is a general
    29        problem in Brazil.
    30
    31   Q.   Right.  No further questions.  Thank you.
    32
    33   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Thank you.  Leave everything else there,
    34        Miss Watson.  Someone else will tidy up that.
    35        A.   Thank you.
    36
    37   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Unless there is something which we must deal
    38        with, I suggest we adjourn now.  Everyone can use the half
    39        day.  Is there something which we must do?
    40
    41   MR. RAMPTON:   I only rise to tell your Lordship that we have
    42        decided not to call Mr. Monroe.
    43
    44   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Thank you.  Is he still a Civil Evidence Act
    45        witness?
    46
    47   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, yes.  As your Lordship has observed, he
    48        chiefly has to do with the film Jungle Burger which perhaps
    49         ----
    50 
    51   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think in this case if I even begin to 
    52        speculate as to why someone is called or not called on 
    53        either side, it is likely to lead me astray in one way or
    54        another.
    55
    56   MR. RAMPTON:  Yes.
    57
    58   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.  We will adjourn now.  I am not
    59        unappreciative of the difficulties, and I understand from
    60        Mr. Glen that arrangements were made this morning which

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