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     1        business or were they -----
     2        A.  No, they had always been involved in pigs.  This was
     3        another -- and that is all they are involved in.  They are
     4        not involved in any other meat production whatsoever.
     5
     6   Q.   But did you see the old system that they used, the existing
     7        system?
     8        A.  What they had done, so I am told, some of the farms
     9        that are around this system that built up overall.  We did
    10        not see that.
    11
    12   Q.   But they informed you that the system they were introducing
    13        was an improvement in terms of, well, they were asking you
    14        about welfare advice?
    15        A.  Yes.
    16
    17   Q.   So the system that they were working on was something they
    18        thought was an improvement on the previous systems they had
    19        been using?
    20        A.  No, they were determined, basically, to produce pigs in
    21        the best possible conditions in America, basically.  That
    22        is what they had us there for.
    23
    24   MR. MORRIS:  They talked about the existing conditions to you,
    25        yes?
    26        A.  They took us completely to a brand new total outfit of
    27        pig production, meat production -- the whole thing all on
    28        one large site.
    29
    30   Q.   This is the new one that started operation?
    31        A.  Yes.
    32
    33   Q.   But did they talk about the existing conditions -----
    34
    35   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Those were the existing conditions by then.
    36        You want to be asking about what happened two or three
    37        years before.
    38
    39   MR. MORRIS:  That plant is now in operation, is it?
    40        A.  Yes.
    41
    42   Q.   I am sorry.  I thought it was about to come on ----
    43        A.  No, that started last October.  We were there last May.
    44
    45   Q.   Did they say ---
    46
    47   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  This is the new plant in operation.
    48
    49   MR. MORRIS:  --"This is this and this is was it was like a year
    50        ago" or whatever? 
    51        A.  No, I did not know anything about what they were up to 
    52        in the past. 
    53
    54   Q.   So you do not know if it is an improvement then?
    55        A.  We were making a judgment of what is, not what was.
    56
    57   Q.   So have you seen any other working pig farms in the
    58        States?
    59        A.  No.
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