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     1        restaurant?
     2        A.  No, I am not aware.
     3
     4   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, I do not know that it would matter very
     5        much even if he were aware of it.
     6
     7   THE WITNESS:  Excuse me?
     8
     9   MR. RAMPTON:  I am sorry, my Lord.  I do not know that it would
    10        matter even if he were aware of it.
    11
    12   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It may be but I was letting it pass because
    13        it allowed of an easy answer, "yes" or "no".
    14
    15   MR. MORRIS:  The Plaintiffs have mentioned that incident in
    16        their counterclaim.  It is in Paul Preston's statement.
    17
    18   MS. STEEL:   Were you aware that in 1987 the Humane Society of
    19        the US began a boycott of bacon and egg breakfasts?
    20        A.  No, I am not.
    21
    22   Q.   You are not aware of that?
    23        A.  No.
    24
    25   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think the point is I am not helped by
    26        whether there was a picket or a boycott.  If you say the
    27        Humane Society disapproves of this or that, and then you
    28        want to argue that they are an organisation whose views
    29        ought to be given weight, then fair enough.  So, put what
    30        they particularly object to.
    31
    32   MS. STEEL:   Actually, the point I was asking those questions
    33        about was that the Plaintiffs have talked about having an
    34        animal welfare policy.  I was going to bring up again about
    35        the fact that they implement policies only when they have
    36        been put under pressure.
    37
    38   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  By all means -- I understand, yes.
    39        (To the witness):  Were you aware of public demonstration
    40        of one kind or another by this Society?
    41        A.  Yes.  There have been numerous public demonstrations of
    42        all, that is, everybody that is in the business, including
    43        ourselves.
    44
    45   MS. STEEL (To the witness):  Since then you have been developing
    46        new policies and practices?
    47        A.  Not necessarily.  We have been always -- we have always
    48        been working with or without their involvement.
    49
    50   Q.   The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to 
    51        Animals, would you accept that is a respected organisation? 
    52        A.  Again, I really support and respect their intent. 
    53        There are some things that they do right.  There are a
    54        number of things that they do not.  Those things that they
    55        do right, I have a high respect for those.  Some things
    56        that they do wrong, I have no respect for them whatsoever.
    57
    58   Q.   Were you aware that they had placed factory farming on
    59        their 10 most unwanted list of cruel practices?
    60        A.  No.

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