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1 brought up and Dr. Conet gave a statement on, which is that
2 the packaging production is damaging to the environment.
3 It is damaging because of the materials used in it, the
4 processes used in making it, the disposal of it in terms of
5 whether it is incineration or whether it ends up as environment/index.html">litter
6 which eventually ends up being incinerated as well, of
7 course, to a large extent, or dumped in gravel pits in the
8 countryside.
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10 So, I think it is only fair that the complete picture be
11 allowed to be put, because it is the complete picture that
12 is relevant. Recycling, of course, is another part of the
13 picture.
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15 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes. I am not concerned about recycling,
16 because I warn you that the context of recycling, as I see
17 it, is in relation to environment/index.html">litter, but so long as there is some
18 relationship which I can see with the leaflet, that is
19 sufficient for your purposes at this moment.
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21 MR. MORRIS: Recycling is related to the damaging nature of
22 packaging and production.
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24 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You do not need to worry about recycling,
25 because I can see a way of getting that in, putting it in
26 ordinary language. You can address me at the end that
27 there are other ways as well, but all I need to see at the
28 moment is a route whereby recycling is a valid issue.
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30 MR. MORRIS: Yes. I think the specific reference to recycling,
31 I never considered it in terms of environment/index.html">litter; I considered it
32 in terms of the damaging nature of producing mountains of
33 packaging materials, and that it is obviously of
34 environmental benefit to not keep doing that if you can
35 recycle existing materials. In fact, I have never
36 considered that that related to environment/index.html">litter. I know it -----
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38 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I am not going to engage in a discussion with
39 you about that, because it is not necessary for the ruling
40 I have to make today.
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42 MR. MORRIS: I would say that it is all part of the same
43 picture, which is the production and disposal of packaging
44 as an issue in the case. It is part of what is referred to
45 in the next sentence as the "major ecological catastrophe"
46 which McDonald's and other corporations are contributing to
47 and, therefore, it is a fundamental part of our case that
48 is relevant and that we should be able to put the whole
49 picture, not just, you know, bits and pieces of it.
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51 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Ms. Steel, do you want to say anything about
52 it?
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54 MS. STEEL: No, thank you.
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56 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I need not trouble you about it, Mr. Rampton,
57 but if there is anything you think I have missed, I would
58 be grateful if you would draw it to my attention.
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60 MR. RAMPTON: May I say this: as I understand what Rose L.J. was
