Day 097 - 06 Mar 95 - Page 55


     
     1        A.  There are lines across it, hatched?
     2
     3   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Ribbed?
     4        A.  Yes, ribbed.
     5
     6   Q.   It has got sort of ribbing across it.
     7
     8   MR. RAMPTON:  "Ribbed" is the word I was looking for; I am
     9        grateful to your Lordship.
    10
    11   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Could I ask you, while we are on noise,
    12        although Mr. Rampton may come to it more specifically, if
    13        you have a captive bolt pistol -- you have heard those in
    14        use, have you?
    15        A.  Yes.
    16
    17   Q.   What sort of noise do they make?
    18        A.  It is a bang, similar to that of a small calibre gun,
    19        I suppose.
    20
    21   Q.   What would it compare with, a 4.10 ---
    22        A.  No.
    23
    24   Q.   -- or a 22 rifle or not as much as that?  It is less than a
    25        12 bore, is it?
    26        A.  Yes, certainly.
    27
    28   Q.   It is a long time since I have heard these, I have to say,
    29        but what can you nearest compare it to?
    30        A.  Possibly a crisp packet being burst.
    31
    32   MR. RAMPTON:  While an animal is in the stun pen being stunned,
    33        will there often be another animal waiting at the door in
    34        front of the stunning pen?
    35        A.  There will be another animal behind it, yes.
    36
    37   Q.   Have you been able to observe whether and, if so, what
    38        effect the noise of the stun has on the animal which is
    39        waiting?  Have you ever -----
    40        A.  I cannot say that I have noticed that the bang from the
    41        captive bolt makes the next animal jump or anything.
    42
    43   Q.   Then after the animal has been stunned it falls over, does
    44        it not?
    45        A.  Yes.
    46
    47   Q.   Does that make a noise?
    48        A.  Yes, it will make a noise.
    49
    50   Q.   Have you noticed whether or not that the animal waiting has 
    51        shown any sign of disturbance at that noise? 
    52        A.  I have not, no, remembering the animal behind cannot 
    53        see the animal in front.
    54
    55   Q.   I was going to ask you.  What is the door between the
    56        waiting animal and the stunned pen made of?
    57        A.  It is a steel door.
    58
    59   Q.   How high is it?
    60        A.  About four feet high, I should think.  It is on a

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