Day 078 - 26 Jan 95 - Page 43
1 Q. They are the major suppliers to McDonald's in Germany?
2 A. Sudfleisch are a big supplier to McDonald's in Germany.
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4 Q. Do you know if they are the main one?
5 A. I do not know. I do not have intimate knowledge of
6 their buying pattern in Germany.
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8 MR. JUSTICE BELL: While Mr. Morris is thinking, if you look at
9 "A Great Partnership", the photograph on the first page,
10 on the left there is a man operating a buggy with something
11 on a pallet; is that a combo?
12 A. That is a combo bin, sir, with -----
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14 Q. With boned beef in?
15 A. Yes, that is a combo boneless forequarter meat.
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17 MR. MORRIS: So when you take a core from that combo it goes
18 straight into the top?
19 A. Yes. It takes five. It takes five three foot cores
20 about two inches in diameter.
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22 MS. STEEL: You said that you are currently buying beef from
23 Botswana but that it is not going to McDonald's, yes?
24 A. Yes.
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26 Q. This morning you said that as beef comes into the plant you
27 do not sort it and say: "That is McDonald's", "That is
28 supermarket"; it is just beef?
29 A. Yes.
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31 Q. So how do those two things square?
32 A. Well, because the main McDonald's plant is Milton
33 Keynes and the private labelled plant is Scunthorpe.
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35 Q. So all beef from abroad you are saying goes to the
36 Scunthorpe plant, does it?
37 A. Yes.
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39 Q. But not the Australian and the Canadian ones that you were
40 talking about -- sorry, the Canadian and American ones?
41 A. No, in fact, if we had brought anything in under the
42 Hilton scheme it would have gone into Milton Keynes.
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44 Q. Some of the beef used in Scunthorpe, though, does go to
45 McDonald's, does it not?
46 A. Yes, there are McDonald's lines at Scunthorpe.
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48 Q. So then how do you differentiate between that beef?
49 A. You have got to be able to see the factory and the
50 production set-up. You have got a McDonald's grinding
51 system in one part of the factory, and then you have got a
52 private label grinding system in another part of the
53 factory.
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55 Q. You said this morning, though, that you did not
56 differentiate. Why are you changing your mind now?
57 A. I am not changing my mind. I do not differentiate
58 between meat coming in to Milton Keynes. Meat comes in to
59 Scunthorpe. It is only a matter of allocation in which
60 direction it goes. The same standards apply to it in terms
