Day 258 - 07 Jun 96 - Page 43


     
     1        along at the next meeting.  Terry Carroll very possibly
     2        could have been there, yes.  I am pretty sure he was not
     3        there the first time I met with Clare.
     4
     5   Q.   Having thought about it, you have not remembered why it was
     6        you were meeting Mr. Clare?
     7        A.  I think I have actually.  I am pretty sure they asked
     8        for me to meet Clare because he was concerned that in order
     9        to protect his identity, and to be able to do a better job,
    10        he would have to get more intimately involved with you.
    11        I said no, and that effectively ended Bishops's
    12        involvement.  They then had a period of time in which they
    13        could get Clare out of the organisation.  I am pretty sure
    14        that was the reason that brought them there, and I was
    15        concerned that would place him in the position of being an
    16        agent provocateur, and I said, no, I did not want him to
    17        get any more deeply involved in the organisation.
    18
    19   Q.   That was what you meant by intimately involved?
    20        A.  Yes.
    21
    22   Q.   Were you aware that one of your inquiry agent was having a
    23        relationship with somebody in London Greenpeace?
    24        A.  No.
    25
    26   Q.   You were not told that?
    27        A.  No.
    28
    29   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, I am not concerned about that particular
    30        question, but I am somewhat concerned that it is quite
    31        evident that the Defendants are sitting on material which
    32        may be relevant to the issues raised by their amended
    33        defence which they have not disclosed.  Your Lordship asked
    34        Ms. Steel yesterday to come to court armed with a list of
    35        bullet points.  Now, clearly, from that question that is
    36        one of Ms. Steel's bullet points.  Clearly, she thought it
    37        advantageous to keep it up her sleeve until she had a
    38        chance to put it to Mr. Nicholson.  That is not, with
    39        respect, a proper way to conduct litigation.  The original
    40        promise was that additional statements on publication would
    41        be prepared during the vacation so I did not press it
    42        before the vacation.  I had nothing last Tuesday, I raised
    43        the matter again yesterday, and Ms. Steel was prompted --
    44        I will not say ordered, prompted -- by your Lordship to
    45        produce a list of bullet points overnight.  She has not
    46        done it.
    47
    48   MS. STEEL:  As I--
    49
    50   MR. RAMPTON:  I strenuously object to material being pulled out 
    51        of her back pocket for the purpose of cross-examination of 
    52        Mr. Nicholson when it is material of which Mr. Nicholson 
    53        ought to have had notice of but before he gave evidence.
    54
    55   MS. STEEL:  We were asked to compile a list over the course of
    56        the day, which is what we are in the process of doing.  If
    57        Mr. Rampton wants to moan about the length of time it takes
    58        then he should remember they still have not disclosed the
    59        video we have been asking for before, not to mention
    60        endless--

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