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1 temperatures and increased the cooking time. We do have
2 the same results. We just increased the cooking time.
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4 Q. I think Mr. Atherton said that they had changed the way
5 they measure quite recently, where they now concentrate on
6 the internal temperature of the finished patty which you
7 have said?
8 A. That is correct.
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10 Q. But that was not always done, was it, it used to be just
11 the times and the temperatures?
12 A. That is correct. I was heavily involved in that part.
13 We have done a lot of research, the simple fact of how do
14 you measure temperature. It is a very complicated ------
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16 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Do we have to go into this? If there is
17 something unsatisfactory in the way they are doing it in
18 the States now or they have been at some date which is of
19 significance in the past, put it to him.
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21 MR. MORRIS: Yes. (To the witness): When you said that you
22 increased your -- I mean, obviously things are improving,
23 yes?
24 A. Absolutely.
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26 MR. JUSTICE BELL: They are improving but I have not got
27 anywhere near knowing whether it is because of any risk,
28 you see. As far as I am concerned, it may have been
29 perfectly satisfactory before, but they have introduced
30 this staging and they want to vary their procedures. What
31 I am finding difficulty at now is knowing what, if
32 anything, you are actually attacking.
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34 MR. MORRIS: Yes. The cooking time that you increased it
35 from, by what amount of seconds was it increased?
36 A. About four seconds on the quarter pounder.
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38 Q. On the 10-1?
39 A. A few seconds, a couple , if I remember correctly.
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41 Q. A couple of seconds?
42 A. Yes. I must say that we have now better equipment that
43 has a direct impact on the cooking time. We have what we,
44 what is called a clamshell grill which was demonstrated and
45 we have provided data. That is the best method of cooking
46 the patty which will allow us to cook at a shorter time.
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48 Q. That clamshell grill, how long has that been in use?
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50 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Stop, please. I must ask you to put what the
51 challenge is.
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53 MR. MORRIS: First of all, I have to identify, because we have
54 been through this with Mr. Atherton, and I need to identify
55 whether the situation basically is parallel.
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57 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No. I want you to put what you are
58 criticising about it.
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60 MR. MORRIS (To the witness): Did you used to gas grills?
