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1 A. No, I did not. I had no responsibility for it.
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3 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Can I just ask while there is a pause anyway,
4 in paragraph 10 of your statement you say: "Many of our
5 customers did separate the polystyrene items from other
6 either items. At least half the weight of waste in the
7 polystyrene bin was from waste other than polystyrene." If
8 one looks at an average table with, say, two or three
9 people sitting there with their cups, clam shells, trays,
10 napkins, cartons of french fries and so on, could you give
11 a very rough stab at how those items, polystyrene on the
12 one hand and paperboard on the other, would compare for
13 weight? The reason I ask, it just occurs to me that if
14 everyone put everything from their table into the
15 polystyrene bin you might end up with those proportions.
16 A. You might. I think the key word is "weight" "weight of
17 waste". Polystyrene is very light but is very bulky. When
18 it says "at least half the weight of waste in the
19 polystyrene bin was from waste other than polystyrene",
20 that would be true because the other packaging would be
21 much denser than polystyrene.
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23 Q. So there would be more polystyrene in by space taken, you
24 think?
25 A. By volume, yes, that is correct.
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27 MR. MORRIS: Which department was responsible for this
28 Nottingham experiment?
29 A. I think the initiative came from Mike Matthews himself
30 when he was in charge of environment. He also worked at
31 that time in the Midlands region, but principally I think
32 it was his initiative; at least I believe it was. I do not
33 know for sure.
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35 Q. It is a different department from yours?
36 A. Yes.
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38 Q. So your knowledge of that experiment is based, again, from
39 what someone has told you from a different department. Is
40 that correct?
41 A. Yes.
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43 Q. But you are relying on it in your evidence as an example of
44 something?
45 A. Well, I certainly know it happened.
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47 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Might I suggest that you do not both stay
48 standing at the same time? In the normal way of the things
49 I would say to Ms. Steel, "You are the First Defendant, you
50 cross-examine now", and when she has finished all the
51 questions she wanted to ask I would say to Mr. Morris, "Now
52 is your opportunity to ask any questions".
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54 MS. STEEL: He was just taking over while I am looking for
55 something.
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57 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I dare say. I have chosen not to take that
58 course because you are working in harness and I cannot see
59 any harm in you so doing. I think we have to have one
60 person asking a sequence of questions and then another,
