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     1        mentioned earlier about Dr. Pattison lectured to the
     2        McDonald's European Quality Assurance Department on animal
     3        welfare issues.  We have seen a paper written by
     4        Dr. Pattison and I believe it is dated 1993.  Was that
     5        something that he was asked to prepare for these lectures?
     6        Are you aware of that paper?
     7        A.  If you point me to it, I do not know really without
     8        seeing it.
     9
    10   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, I have a spare copy here but I am just
    11        trying to find where it was put.  It was put behind
    12        Dr. Pattison's statement, yellow IX, tab 5.
    13
    14   MS. STEEL:   This is dated 1st April 1993?
    15        A.  Yes.
    16
    17   Q.   Is this what Dr. Pattison prepared for that talk, do you
    18        know, or those lectures?
    19        A.  I would guess it is.  It says:  "Presentation to
    20        McDonald's staff 1st April 1993".  I think that is the one
    21        that I am referring to.
    22
    23   Q.   Has he just done the one lecture or has he done a number?
    24        A.  No, this was the only one, as far as I am aware, on
    25        animal welfare and it was done to McDonald's European
    26        Quality Assurance departments.
    27
    28   Q.   What was the purpose of that?
    29        A.  To inform our -- to inform everybody around Europe and
    30        expert -- we have regular meetings as European Quality
    31        Assurance departments, and we talk about specific issues
    32        that are particularly relevant at a given time.  It was
    33        felt in 1993 that animal welfare was an appropriate topic
    34        to bring up again and discuss.
    35
    36   Q.   Had there been any similar seminars or presentations on
    37        animal welfare prior to this?
    38        A.  To the McDonald's Quality Assurance group?  No, this is
    39        the first one that I am aware of, unless there were any
    40        before my time.
    41
    42   Q.   So you felt it was important to increase the awareness the
    43        Quality Assurance department in Europe on this issue?
    44        A.  Yes, I think in the UK we are so much further ahead on
    45        this issue then the rest of Europe.  That is why
    46        Dr. Pattison specifically was asked to speak, being at the
    47        forefront, if you like.  He presented these things to the
    48        relevant McDonald's Quality Assurance managers in other
    49        countries.
    50 
    51   Q.   You have read the Five Freedoms on the front.  Presumably, 
    52        you have read that before, have you? 
    53        A.  Yes.
    54
    55   Q.   Do you feel that that is something that animals ought to
    56        have, those Five Freedoms?
    57        A.  Yes, yes, I mean, people that know a lot more about the
    58        subject than myself have made those recommendations and
    59        I would not argue with them.
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