Day 304 - 22 Nov 96 - Page 22


     
     1        page 23, line 15.
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     3        Alan Clare.  We should point out that, as far as we are
     4        concerned, the evidence of Mr. Clare in general is
     5        virtually totally unreliable because of its contradictory
     6        nature and the fact that it is contradicted by what other
     7        witnesses said, and so on, but I will go into that at a
     8        later stage.  But even he recognised the nature of the
     9        group, and he stated that "not everybody that attended
    10        meetings participated in the discussions or had an equal
    11        interest in any particular subject".  That was on day 265,
    12        page 67, line 1.  In his statement he said about people
    13        taking control of meetings, and he said that "the notion of
    14        someone taking control of a meeting was simply announcing
    15        the next item to be discussed or saying, 'Let us move on'."
    16          That was day 265, page 67, line 60.
    17
    18        Frances Tiller said that people have their own pet
    19        interests and would get on with organising that particular
    20        interest, and that anybody who wanted to do something just
    21        got on and did it.  That was day 270, page 13, line 60.
    22        She said that people were not allocated tasks, that people
    23        volunteered to do things.  That was day 270, page 18, line
    24        33.  She said that there was no voting or show of hands, no
    25        kind of formal democracy.  That was day 270, page 24, line
    26        56.  In fact, she actually said that it was frequently
    27        difficult to tell whether anything had been decided at
    28        all.  That was day 270, page 25, line 1.
    29
    30        Mr. Bishop said that nobody chaired the meetings.  That was
    31        day 259, page 81, line 13; that the group did not have a
    32        formal agenda and that it was more like a newsletter, in
    33        effect; that it was used as a sort of forum for people
    34        passing on information about what was going on, and things
    35        like that.  That was day 259 -- actually, it may be day
    36        260, I think.
    37
    38   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   Do you have a page reference?
    39
    40   MS. STEEL:   Yes, I am just trying to find the right one.
    41        (Pause).  Right.  Yes.  It was day 261, page 16, line 9.
    42        He also said that people, not everybody, that people
    43        involved with London Greenpeace were not interested in the
    44        same things; they were not all -- you know, everybody is
    45        involved in everything that was going on.  That was on day
    46        261, page 16, line 20.  In fact, he said that Paul Gravett
    47        purporting to speak on behalf of the group, or of other
    48        people, that that had got people's backs up, and he agreed
    49        that people expressed their own views and not necessarily
    50        those of the group or -- sorry, no, that it was agreed 
    51        people expressed their own views and not necessarily those 
    52        of the group, and it was not the case that everybody would 
    53        be interested in those views.  That was day 261, pages 16
    54        and 17.  He said that it was typical for individuals to
    55        organise events on issues close to their heart.  That was
    56        day 261, page 32, line 1.
    57
    58        He said that the meetings were not a forum where agreement
    59        and decision-making was usual, that there was no real
    60        acknowledgment of any common goal, never mind the means by

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