Day 020 - 28 Jul 94 - Page 28


     
     1        As the judge, I can only rely on both sides to keep their
              eye on the ball.  I am not going to interfere in any way
     2        with your cross-examination of this witness, save to make
              the point, which all professional advocates are taught at
     3        the very early stage, which is to try and concentrate on
              the points which you think are the strongest.  But, having
     4        said that, you carry on in your own way.  How many copies
              of this document do you have?
     5
         MS. STEEL:   I have enough for -----
     6
         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Let us have a look at that. (Handed).
     7
         MR. RAMPTON:  If there are any others in a bag ----
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         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If there are any others which you are
     9        expecting even which you might put this afternoon, when it
              gets to 1 o'clock, can you hand a copy to Mr. Rampton and
    10        a copy to Dr. Gregory so that he can at least have a
              glance at them over the adjournment?
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         MS. STEEL:   Right.  I am getting quite confused because I am
    12        trying to speed everything up.  I am very conscious of the
              amount of things we have to do.
    13
         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If you want a few minutes to collect
    14        yourself, ask for it, but if, before Dr. Gregory goes
              away, at 1 o'clock you can get together a copy for him and
    15        a copy for Mr. Rampton of anything you think you are going
              to put this afternoon, then it will be helpful.
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         MS. STEEL:   I do not think there is anything -- it is mainly
    17        the poultry stuff.
 
    18   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Let people have a copy of that.  Let me have
              a copy as well.  (Handed)  What I have done is I have put
    19        a Post-It with Q on it at the back of the orange bundle.
              I have only got one so far, that is the document of Dr.
    20        Gregory and Dr. Watton's paper you have put, so I am going
              to put this behind that.
    21
         MS. STEEL:   I am trying to be quick.  There is one thing
    22        I want to ask you about.  Do you know Mr. Heath?
              A.  I met him once.
    23
         Q.   I think you have quoted him in some of the articles you
    24        have written.  Is he someone who is fairly well respected?
              A.  Yes, he is a veterinarian, used to be an official
    25        veterinary surgeon at a plant in the United Kingdom.
  
    26   Q.   This is directly relating to something which came up the 
              other day.  The very last paragraph in this report says on 
    27        page 100:  "The consensus is that about a third of all
              broilers are not stunned, so this means that every day in
    28        the United Kingdom more than half a million are sentient
              when they go to the knife.  Surely, this is a problem
    29        which OVS's should tackle?"  What is your view on that?
              A.  My immediate view is how was that consensus drawn?
    30        That is the first question I would pose.  To do that one
              would have to quickly glance through the paper to see to

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