Day 118 - 01 May 95 - Page 30


     
     1        A.  I think this is London and the South.
     2
     3   Q.   London and the South?
     4        A.  Yes.
     5
     6   Q.   We are talking about 4 per cent of -- how many workers in
     7        London and the South?
     8        A.  I do not know.
     9
    10   Q.   10,000, something like that, 8,000?
    11        A.  No, it would be more than that.  Say 30,000 in the
    12        three regions ---
    13
    14   Q.   10,000, something like that?
    15        A.  -- yes, say 10,000.
    16
    17   Q.   So we are talking about a significant percentage of a large
    18        number of people ---
    19        A.  I do not think you are.
    20
    21   Q.   -- working -- this is the minimum figures -----
    22        A.  What do you mean the "minimum figures"?  These are the
    23        figures.
    24
    25   Q.   No, these are the minimum because, with respect, those that
    26        are working between 71 and 78 hours could well be working
    27        over 39 hours one week and under 39 hours another week,
    28        could they not?
    29        A.  I think it is unlikely.  It may rarely, but I think it
    30        is unlikely.  People are fairly regular in their hours.
    31
    32   Q.   So some people are working regularly over 39 hours then?
    33        A.  No, I said people are fairly regular in the hours that
    34        they want to work.  It is the odd occasion on which they
    35        work the overtime.  I think these figures highlight that.
    36        It is the odd occasion that they are asked to work
    37        overtime.
    38
    39   Q.   So when you say that Joanna Blackett, I think, was correct
    40        to say that it was on rare occasions that people worked
    41        over 39 hours ---
    42        A.  Yes.
    43
    44   Q.   -- in your definition, 5 per cent, or something, could be
    45        defined as rare; is that correct?
    46        A.  Yes, you have to look at the numbers in reality as
    47        well, not just percentages.  I mean, one restaurant, the
    48        first three restaurants, two in one restaurant and one in
    49        the next, one in the next, in a fortnightly period, and
    50        very small numbers.  I think they are very small numbers. 
    51        I do not think there is anything there to cause us concern. 
    52 
    53   Q.   Of course, any that were over 96 hours would have to be
    54        added as well which does feature.  You can put that
    55        away -- actually, while we have that out -----
    56
    57   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What sort of figures do we get in the over
    58        96, just tell me what you get there.
    59
    60   MR. MORRIS:  They are the figures we have seen which is small

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