Day 079 - 27 Jan 95 - Page 41


     
     1        A.  But it is not often; it is not often in the context of
     2        more than one load a month, shall we say?
     3
     4   Q.   Once a month.
     5
     6   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Not more than.
     7
     8   MR. MORRIS:  So does it happen on average about once a month
     9        over a period of a few years?
    10        A.  It could be, yes.  It is not a very scientific
    11        measurement.
    12
    13   Q.   No, I understand, but rule of thumb.  What are the other
    14        reasons for actually rejecting meat that arrives?
    15        A.  Foreign body contamination.
    16
    17   Q.   Would someone see that?  Somebody look and see the meat
    18        arrive and would see some foreign body in it?
    19        A.  Yes.
    20
    21   Q.   Like what, for example?
    22        A.  Well, a very practical example, people will walk around
    23        with pens in their top pockets.  In McKey we will not have
    24        pockets on overalls because they will lean over and a
    25        yellow plastic pen will drop out.  That is quite a good
    26        one. Occasionally, a butcher's steel will get in.  Anything
    27        like that, it is rejected.
    28
    29   Q.   What other reasons for rejection will there be?
    30        A.  Well, we have gone through foreign bodies; we have gone
    31        through out of condition; we have gone through above four
    32        degrees.  About the only other one could be if it was what
    33        we call "robbed" and it would be rejected for that.
    34
    35   Q.   Basically, you mean sold a bad deal, say, that they have
    36        taken some out?
    37        A.  Yes.  If you jigsaw it, for example, and the
    38        (indiscernable) has gone, then that is not according to our
    39        specification.
    40
    41   Q.   The foreign body category, though, would depend on people
    42        actually seeing the foreign body in it, would it not?
    43        A.  No.  I mean, you have got metal detection and it is
    44        inspected.  You have got coring.  There are many ways that
    45        a foreign body can be identified in a combo.
    46
    47   Q.   But the coring would only get a sample of it, would it not,
    48        the bit that actually came out in the core?
    49        A.  Yes, but if I am reading your thinking, if you core a
    50        combo and then you take the combo, reverse the motor on the 
    51        drill, push it out and you see a fleck of yellow, you then 
    52        reject the combo because that fleck is evidence that there 
    53        is something else in there.
    54
    55   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think what Mr. Morris -- it may or may not
    56        really -- I think you have to think about how far we need
    57        to go on this enquiry when we are on food poisoning at the
    58        moment, but it is suggested that your five cores might miss
    59        a pen?
    60        A.  My Lord, if they did, if they did, as soon as it is

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