Day 187 - 13 Nov 95 - Page 39
1 MR. MORRIS: All I can do is pass on information, but she has
2 told me not even to do that.
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4 MR. JUSTICE BELL: She cannot stop you handing her address to
5 someone else.
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7 MR. MORRIS: No, but there again, I feel an obligation to
8 respect her wishes, and that is the way we -----
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10 MR. JUSTICE BELL: What are you hoping to get out of this,
11 Mr. Rampton? At the moment, I do not mind saying
12 I will need an awful lot of persuading to attach any weight
13 at all to little bits of what people say to a video
14 camcorder (which I suppose is what it was) for the purpose
15 of making a film, especially when I will have heard some
16 firsthand evidence from Miss Anteneh, from Anne Tobin, as
17 and when she is called. I will have to measure it against
18 evidence I have heard in respect of the same kind of topics
19 from a number of other witnesses on both sides.
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21 MR. RAMPTON: Well, my Lord, I obviously cannot answer that with
22 any certainty.
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24 MR. JUSTICE BELL: If I can just keep thinking aloud, you may or
25 may not find Miss Gabriel; if you found Miss Gabriel, and
26 if I have a hearing and decide to order (if I find I have
27 power) her to divulge the copies of these 800 pages, or
28 whatever it is, when one searches through them there may be
29 nothing there which gives any real help at all one way or
30 the other.
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32 MR. RAMPTON: I do not know that until I have seen it. I do
33 know -- and this I am entitled to say -- from 30 years'
34 experience of dealing with television programmes on both
35 sides of the case, I do know that it happens with
36 nauseating regularity that what is put on the screen is
37 misrepresentative of what the interviewee actually said.
38 Your Lordship will remember, for example, interviews with
39 people -- one person, I think it was -- about his rate of
40 pay; your Lordship will remember a purported piece of film
41 about a rap session. It may very well be -- I do not know
42 until I have seen the transcript -- that what was actually
43 said on that occasion and by those interviewees has been
44 misrepresented by the film. If that were so, it would have
45 two effects: not only would it devalue those parts of the
46 film in your Lordship's eyes -- and I cannot tell whether
47 it will or will not -- secondly, of course, it would shed a
48 flood of light on Miss Tobin's credibility on the matters
49 where she can give direct evidence.
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51 MR. MORRIS: A document is not disclosed if it goes solely to
52 credit, anyway; and, secondly -----
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54 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Wait. Mr. Rampton is still -- I will give
55 you your opportunity, if indeed you need it.
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57 MR. RAMPTON: It does not just go to credit, you see, because
58 she was the person who actually helped to make the film;
59 apparently, she did most of the labour work. She was not
60 the producer.
