Day 293 - 04 Nov 96 - Page 35
1 MR. MORRIS: Yes.
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3 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Then you have explained 4 to me.
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5 MR. MORRIS: Can I say on that point, number 3; I have already
6 referred to that Mr. Mallinson point. That is fine.
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8 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You have referred to 4 as well.
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10 MR. MORRIS: Yes. 4, I have given them a healthy 15 percent
11 recycled content, rather than 50 percent. Then he I have
12 added all the non-Persico packaging, another 1.5. Again it
13 is approximate. We do not have to worry about a perfect
14 calculation, just to get the general impression. 6, is the
15 material lost in production.
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17 MR. JUSTICE BELL: That could be 1.77.
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19 MR. MORRIS: Actually, it is, yes. I have greatly
20 underestimated it, because also the material lost in
21 production, there is material lost at that stage in the
22 production of pulp wood stage - sorry, the material lost in
23 production of carton board and then there will be material
24 lost in the manufacture of specific items of packaging.
25 So, in fact it is both 1.77.
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27 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes, I understand.
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29 MR. MORRIS: And an additional factor of whatever is lost,
30 which we never heard any evidence of because Mr. Bateman
31 did not attend as a witness. But it is lost in production
32 further along the line, and as these are all compound
33 factors they are quite important. So 1.77, I am sure at
34 least 10 percent has been lost later on, which could be an
35 extra 1.1 percent factorial. Sorry, 1.1 multiplication
36 needed on top of the 1.77.
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38 MR JUSTICE BELL: But then you see, all this is no doubt -----
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40 MR. MORRIS: Then the lifestyle, life cycle of the forest.
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42 MR JUSTICE BELL: That is where we... You see, this was not
43 actually put, was it, to any witness, point 7?
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45 MR. MORRIS: Yes, of course, to Mr. Mallinson, that you would
46 need an area-----
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48 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes, but it was not put that if the life
49 cycle was 40 years you would need 40 times the area, if it
50 was eighty years, you would need eighty times the area or
51 if it was a hundred years, you would need a hundred times
52 the area was it? I mean, this is Morris on forestry, not a
53 witness on forestry is it not?
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55 MR. MORRIS: It was put, although, because everything was so
56 confusing, I think at one time you had taken over the
57 questioning on the subject - which I am not saying it was
58 confusing because you were doing that.
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60 MR JUSTICE BELL: No, I am only too prepared to accept it became
