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     1        defendants' statements which is a pale powder blue
              volume.  I would like you to turn to section J, please.
     2
         MR. MORRIS:  Could we just make some notes here about the
     3        last  -----
 
     4   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, just pause a minute.
 
     5   MR. RAMPTON:  Did I go too quickly?
 
     6   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Mr. Morris wants to make some notes.
 
     7   MR. MORRIS:  I did not write down the number of the previous
              one.
     8
         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  The page numbers I have are 642 for the
     9        dates 637, 638, 614.
 
    10   MR. RAMPTON:  630 for the date of the last document.
 
    11   MR. MORRIS:  What are we moving to now?
 
    12   MR. RAMPTON:  Mr. Brian Lipsett's statement.  Do you have that?
              A.  Yes, I do.
    13
         Q.   Section J.  You heard Mr. Kouchoukos answer some questions
    14        about this yesterday.  I will not ask you the same
              question.  I want to ask you about some things which he
    15        might not know about and you might.  First of all, ask you
              this as a preliminary, were you aware of the McToxics
    16        Campaign at the time?
              A.  Yes.
    17
         Q.   Have you ever met Mr. Brian Lipsett?
    18        A.  No.
 
    19   Q.   Do you know of him?
              A.  I know of him.
    20
         Q.   Were you ever approached for information about McDonald's
    21        packaging in your capacity at Perseco?
              A.  Never.
    22
         Q.   By anybody from the campaign?
    23        A.  No.
 
    24   Q.   Then I would like you to turn to the fifth page in this,
              please, at the top of the page.  Mr. Kouchoukos dealt with
    25        the first part of that which was a supposed classification
              of plastics by reference to their recyclability.  I want 
    26        to ask you about the second sentence on that page, the 
              first complete sentence.  Have you found it? 
    27        A.  What is the top of the page again?
 
    28   Q.  It begins "industry began"---?
              A.  Yes, I have that.
    29
         Q.   The second sentence:  "One plastics recycler unable to
    30        handle McDonald's foam shipped several tonnes of material
              back to the company along with the bill to recover the

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