Day 174 - 17 Oct 95 - Page 14


     
     1   MR. JUSTICE BELL: If you refer to part of the statement, just
     2        give the page and the paragraph, and anyone who is
     3        interested can look it up.
     4
     5   MR. MORRIS:  It is paragraph 18 on page 7.
     6
     7   MS. STEEL:   Internal page 7.
     8
     9   MR. JUSTICE BELL: Just pause a moment.
    10
    11   MR. MORRIS:  (To the witness)  So you had a meeting with the
    12        union -----
    13
    14   MR. RAMPTON:  I am sorry, my Lord, that is not what the
    15        statement says.
    16
    17   MR. MORRIS:  I am just reading out what it said from the
    18        statement: "My meeting with the Irish Transport and General
    19        Workers Union on 10th September 1979".
    20
    21        (To the witness)  You had a meeting -----
    22
    23   MR. JUSTICE BELL: Just -----
    24
    25   MR. MORRIS:  Well, Mr. Rampton just keeps interrupting.
    26
    27   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It does not matter.
    28
    29   MR. RAMPTON:  I had not realised what he was getting at.
    30
    31   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Mr. Rampton interrupted in error.  Just take
    32        it easy.  Concentrate on the witness, not Mr. Rampton.
    33
    34        (To the witness)  So you had a meeting with the union on
    35        10th September, 1979?
    36        A.  Yes, my Lord, that is correct.
    37
    38   MR. MORRIS:  It was not the only occasion on which you had met
    39        with them, because you met them previously anyway, had you
    40        not; you had met Mr. Mullen previously?
    41        A.  That is correct.
    42
    43   Q.   You did say earlier on that you met informally on
    44        7th September, in the previous paragraph, after you had
    45        accepted the recommendations.  So was there a couple of
    46        meetings, then, in September, one informal and presumably
    47        one -----
    48        A.  There was one meeting that I can recall.
    49
    50   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  There was a meeting, and then, as 
    51        I understand it, there was a telephone conversation on 
    52        21st September? 
    53        A.  Yes.
    54
    55   MR. MORRIS:  So is that a misprint, then, because in
    56        paragraph 16, you say: "On 7th September I met informally
    57        with the union"?
    58        A.  It may be.  I have no -----
    59
    60   MR. JUSTICE BELL: That is the previous page.

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