Day 208 - 24 Jan 96 - Page 39


     
     1        Manager, or one of the assistants.
     2
     3   Q.   So, you do not really know what caused it or anything?
     4        A.  Not personally.
     5
     6   Q.   So, it might be fair to say that you do have no knowledge
     7        or experience of problems with the chicken vats, apart from
     8        what you have heard?
     9        A.  Yes.
    10
    11   MS. STEEL:  Do you still have bundle 1 with the rap sessions?
    12        A.  Yes.
    13
    14   Q.   Can you turn to very first page of tab 10, page 189?
    15        A.  Yes
    16
    17   Q.   Do you see under "Equipment", it says: "The toasters need
    18        replacing, keeps breaking down and keeps falling off and
    19        burning people."  Do you remember that?
    20        A.  No.
    21
    22   Q.   Can you think of any reason why it might be in there if was
    23        not true?
    24
    25   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Well, I do not suppose he can.
    26
    27   MS. STEEL:  Right.  (To the witness)  Would you accept that
    28        where you say you do not recall, it could well have been
    29        happening?
    30        A.  It could well have been happening.
    31
    32   Q.   You said this morning that Managers had no control over
    33        when people came back from their breaks.  That is not
    34        correct, is it, because otherwise you could end up with, if
    35        everybody comes back from their breaks earlier, there could
    36        be too many people on the stations and they would be paying
    37        everybody's wages when they do not want that many people on
    38        the floor?
    39        A.  It happens.
    40
    41   Q.   It happens?
    42        A.  Yes.
    43
    44   Q.   So you are saying that the Managers do not have any control
    45        at all?
    46        A.  Within reason.  I mean, if somebody comes back at
    47        40 minutes after they have gone on a break, they have not
    48        had a 45 minute break, but the Manager is not going to know
    49        exactly how long they have had.
    50 
    51   Q.   But if they come back after 15 minutes into their 45 minute 
    52        break, the Manager will notice, will he not? 
    53        A.  Yes, the Manager would notice, yes.  It is down to the
    54        individual to decide.
    55
    56   Q.   It is in the Crew Handbook that crew have to take their
    57        breaks at the time specified by the Manager?
    58        A.  I could not -----
    59
    60   Q.   So people do not have a choice?

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