Day 056 - 28 Nov 94 - Page 50
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2 MR. MORRIS: Is eucalyptus often imported and used as hardwood
3 pulp?
4 A. It is because eucalyptus is a major source of supply
5 for particular grades of pulp and very little for packaging
6 because, in fact, it is a short fibre and is not
7 particularly suited to packaging.
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9 Q. Just one question in that point one at the bottom of the
10 page, carton board, explain what "carton board" is and
11 would there be slightly different implications in terms of
12 making other kinds of paper which McDonald's might use?
13 A. Well, essentially of course there would be a
14 difference, because every type of paper that is produced
15 has a different combination of fibre length and quality of
16 final product and it is made differently. Therefore, yes,
17 carton board which is packaging in a more substantial form,
18 container type packaging, is likely to be different in its
19 makeup than finer paper for literally ----
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21 Q. Office use?
22 A. --- bags.
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24 Q. Or bags.
25 A. I mean this is one of our problems, that any one
26 example is only an example of what actually happened in
27 that case.
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29 Q. Right, so could you explain what carton board is then? What
30 is that used for? Let us say for McDonald's, what is that
31 used for?
32 A. I would have said that it is being used as a container,
33 but precisely, if you really wish to go into detail, I
34 would have to ask Iggesund what form of actual paper it
35 supplies to its particular converter who makes the
36 particular product that McDonald's requires. At that point
37 I have to withdraw, because I felt that there was somebody
38 else more expert in the manufacture of carton board or the
39 manufacture of the actual packaging than somebody who is
40 concerned with a forest.
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42 Q. Yes, Mr. Bateman in fact. That box there, is that carton
43 board?
44 A. Yes, one would have said that is of the nature of
45 carton board. Yes.
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47 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Can you give me an example of what the bounds
48 are of this? If you imagine a paper bag of medium quality
49 paper, to what extent are the numbers of tonnes of pulp
50 wood likely to differ? Might it be as much as down to
51 two-thirds or up to one and a half, or is it within
52 narrower bounds than that? If one takes the carton board
53 example, because one does not to be working out 50 sums, if
54 we took the carton board example, how far to one side or
55 the other might it vary?
56 A. My Lord, the situation is as complicated as it seems,
57 in so far as when we talk about packaging we are also
58 omitting at the present moment to refer to recycling. Once
59 you bring recycling into this and you speak of packaging
60 you have another complete parameter. Whereas certain
