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1 you know of any union anywhere in the world that would be
2 opposed to people being promoted on the basis of their
3 ability?
4 A. I -----
5
6 Q. Do you know of anywhere -- have you ever read about
7 anything like that happening anywhere in the world?
8 A. No. But then I have never read anything about unions.
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10 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Do you know whether and what Cam Ballantyne
11 said was true or not, or are you just saying it is what he
12 said?
13 A. It is just what he said. I do not know if there is any
14 truth in it. I do not know almost anything at all about
15 unions. He, himself, said that he was not sure about that;
16 he just said from what he understood.
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18 MR. MORRIS: Well, it is absolute rubbish, is it not?
19 A. I do not know.
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21 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No. You know, the last three or four
22 questions you have asked are pointless to this witness.
23 She has never said it was true; just that it may be true,
24 it may not. She is just saying what Cam Ballantyne told
25 her; and she has now added that he did not know, he was not
26 sure.
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28 MR. MORRIS: Why did you believe what he said, then?
29 A. From what -- like, I always thought because -- you
30 know, he is older, and I thought maybe he would know more
31 than we would.
32
33 Q. Did not you question him on it, then?
34 A. A lot of people asked him a lot of questions at that
35 meeting, and he made it very clear that he did not know
36 very much about unions -- he, himself -- and that if we
37 wanted to know anything, we would have to ask Sarah.
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39 Q. In your statement to the Labour Board -- I do not know if
40 you have it up there, actually.
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42 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It is in a little bundle like that. You have
43 it now, yes.
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45 MR. MORRIS: Do you have that one?
46 A. Yes, I do.
47
48 Q. In the second paragraph, in the middle of that paragraph,
49 you have a word deleted. I presume it is Sarah. Are you
50 talking about Sarah? After "that we would get a wage
51 increase and we would receive many benefits", a word
52 deleted, "did not inform us" -- is that Sarah? Do you
53 remember? It does not matter that much.
54 A. I believe it is Sarah.
55
56 Q. ".....did not inform us that we could lose the benefits we
57 have and what would happen if a union did come in"?
58 A. Right.
59
60 Q. So which benefits would you have lost if the union had come
