Day 053 - 22 Nov 94 - Page 48


     
     1        I am not really sure about whether to go through the
     2        various bits in the transcript.  The problem is, I am aware
     3        of what the time is and there are things that I could reply
     4        to that were said yesterday.
     5
     6   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I have really got to leave it to you.  How
     7        many references were there?
     8
     9   MS. STEEL:   There were quite of lot things where Mr. Rampton
    10        just said, this was asked, this means such and such.  I am
    11        just trying to say as a general point I dispute
    12        Mr. Rampton's interpretation of my state of mind.  I do not
    13        know it is particularly helpful to go through all of those.
    14
    15   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I will bear that in mind when I look at them
    16        again.
    17
    18   MS. STEEL:   You made reference, I think, to something that was
    19        referred to during the cross-examination of Professor
    20        Wheelock.
    21
    22   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, I think that was 21st July, was it not?
    23        It was sitting down with somebody eating a McDonald's meal
    24        every day.
    25
    26   MS. STEEL:  The point I would make, it was about risk, not that
    27        you are going to damage your health in the long term, and
    28        that that is consistent with the general point about the
    29        recognition that their food is high in fat and low in fibre
    30        and Professor Wheelock acknowledging that.  It does not
    31        indicate that I was specifically asking something in terms
    32        of eating a McDonald's meal and getting ill just through
    33        either one meal or in relation specifically to causation of
    34        cancer.  It is just talking about risk.
    35
    36        There was a point shortly after that as well, where
    37        Mr. Rampton mentioned about me trying to get Mr. Wheelock
    38        to answer a question about "link" and that I wanted a
    39        direct answer.  The whole point of my questioning him about
    40        "link" in that section, that was connected to his
    41        assertion that one study on vegetarian school girls and
    42        anemia meant that if you had a vegetarian diet you were at
    43        risk of getting anemia, and I was criticising the fact that
    44        basically he was using double standards.  There was a
    45        considerable number of studies on cancer reporting an
    46        association, but he was trying to deny there was an
    47        association.
    48
    49        Just to refer you to the cross-examination of Dr. Arnott on
    50        Day 22 on 12th September, on pages 7 and 8:  At the end of 
    51        7, for example:   "But when you actually look at carefully 
    52        controlled studies, such as prospective studies which have 
    53        looked at this, there is no consistency in the findings of
    54        these studies.  Many studies have found to demonstrate that
    55        there is a relationship between the dietary factors which
    56        have been implicated in these illnesses and the actual
    57        illnesses themselves.  There is no consistency".
    58
    59        Then I ask:  "You mean they are not showing cause and
    60        effect?"  He says:  "No.  What I am saying is, there is not

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