Day 099 - 08 Mar 95 - Page 27
1 A. Yes.
2
3 Q. But it does not -- possibly it does but I have not noticed
4 it -- for all I know those two samples will be allowed to
5 be above "M" as well, because a sample which is above "m"
6 may also be above "M". Do you see what I mean?
7 A. Yes, i think they are implying here -- they are
8 basically suggesting a sampling scheme. They are
9 suggesting that if you take five samples which is the "m"
10 number, then no more than two should be between "m" and
11 "M".
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13 Q. I understand, but does it actually say that somewhere?
14 A. That is what is implied. It is a similar -----
15
16 Q. You might have a column "d" under which "d" under which
17 there is a nought and the key to "d" would be numbers which
18 are not allowed to be above "M", i.e. none are allowed to
19 be above that. Two are allowed to be above "m" but not
20 above "M", but none are allowed to be above "M". Does it
21 actually spell that out somewhere?
22 A. I am sure it does. This is standard notation really
23 now. It is used quite commonly within the industry for
24 microbiological sampling. That is always the way that
25 I have understood it.
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27 MR. RAMPTON: Arising out of that, Mr. Kenny, what his Lordship
28 may need help with -- I think I certainly do anyway -- is
29 this: So far as McKey's boneless beef specification is
30 concerned, which is what this document is directed at, it
31 would appear that 5,000,000 is the top limit?
32 A. Yes.
33
34 Q. At any rate, it is called "unsatisfactory" at or above that
35 level?
36 A. Yes.
37
38 Q. Yet your specification for beef products allows a maximum
39 of 10,000,000?
40 A. That is correct, yes.
41
42 Q. Perhaps I can ask it first this way: Does that mean that
43 though McKey would regard anything, let us say, of
44 8,000,000 as being unsatisfactory you would, nonetheless,
45 accept it?
46 A. Under the McDonald's specifications that would be
47 accepted, yes.
48
49 Q. Do you know -- you may not know and, if so, please say so
50 -- what the basis for the McDonald's 10,000,000
51 specification limit was or is?
52 A. I do not know categorically, no. I could hazard a
53 guess.
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55 Q. It is probably better if you do not do that.
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57 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I think I will treat it as a guess and not
58 substantiated, but I would not mind hearing it in case we
59 get some information in that area in due course. What do
60 you think, even though you may think wrongly, the reason
