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     1        A.  None whatsoever, my Lord.
     2
     3   Q.   --- not to talk about this?
     4        A.  No, sir.
     5
     6   Q.   Or keep it quiet?
     7        A.  No, sir.
     8
     9   Q.   So far as you were concerned?
    10        A.  No, sir.  I was never given an instruction to hush it
    11        up and I never knew of any such instruction.
    12
    13   MR. MORRIS:  When you have attended, as you probably have,
    14        hundreds of conferences and meetings, were senior officials
    15        of McDonald's in different countries, has it ever been
    16        mentioned?  Is it ever laughed about it or said, "Oh
    17        blimey, don't do that" or anything like that?
    18        A.  The answer to that is, no, it has been never been
    19        mention apart from one person and that is Roberto Morganti
    20        who is the same as me in Brazil, the meat manufacturing
    21        chairman.  That is the only person that since then I have
    22        ever discussed it with.
    23
    24   Q.   So the people in Brazil, the McDonald's people in Brazil
    25        still remember the incident?
    26        A.  I do not think the McDonald's people in Brazil would
    27        have anything to do with it.  It was nothing to do with
    28        them.
    29
    30   Q.   The suppliers, just remind me who Roberto is again?
    31        A.  He is the same as me.  He is the chairman of the
    32        McDonald's meat supplying factory in Brazil.
    33
    34   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You said it was a joint venture.
    35        A.  Yes, sir.  He is only the person, you asked me a
    36        question, in Brazil I have ever spoken to about it
    37        subsequently.
    38
    39   MR. MORRIS:  What did Mr. -- I cannot remember his name, you
    40        just said it, the chap from Brazil, what did he say to you
    41        when he mentioned it to you in more recent times?
    42        A.  I really cannot remember.
    43
    44   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Can you remember how long ago it was first of
    45        all, just very roughly?  Was it six months years ago or six
    46        years ago?
    47        A.  Can I try to work it out for you, sir?  It was at the
    48        World Conference before last; that would be 1990.  I think
    49        it would have been in Orlando.
    50 
    51   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Do not worry your head about that at the 
    52        moment.  In what context did the topic crop up if at all? 
    53        A.  About Brazilian beef and the rainforest issue and the
    54        fact that no beef even in Brazil comes anywhere from the
    55        rainforest.  I can remember what we talked about, my Lord.
    56        We talked about the railway line which the Economic Union
    57        had put in north of the RNO to get up to the steel works;
    58        that is what we talked about, and how much rainforest that
    59        had cut down.  I do remember discussing that.
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