Day 093 - 28 Feb 95 - Page 11
1 MS. STEEL: If Mr. Rampton wants this to take five times as
2 long as it needs to -----
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4 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I suggest you point out a part of the -- I do
5 not think it need take any longer. In fact, you did it
6 with Mr. Morris when the point was taken and Mr. Morris did
7 it with a report, we got through it jolly quickly, in
8 fact. Which one is the one you want to go to now? Is it
9 this one?
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11 MS. STEEL: Yes.
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13 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I will call that "B" and I will call the
14 other "C" on the basis we are going to come to the other.
15 Anyway, it is document B. Refer Dr. Gomez to the part you
16 want and then just put the suggestion to him.
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18 MS. STEEL (To the witness): If you could look at the third
19 paragraph, the first sentence for starters, would you
20 accept that?
21 A. The paragraph to start with "Chickens"?
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23 Q. Yes.
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25 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You are being asked "chickens can recognise".
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27 MS. STEEL: Yes.
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29 MR. JUSTICE BELL: The way you could put it, do you accept a
30 chicken can recognise and remember about 100 of other
31 chickens?
32 A. I was on a different paragraph -- probably so.
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34 MS. STEEL: Probably?
35 A. Yes. I do not know. I have not seen the data that
36 will indicate how many numbers of the chickens can they
37 remember.
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39 Q. They can remember lots anyway?
40 A. 100 is not a lot.
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42 Q. Would you accept: "Chickens enjoy playing with toys,
43 preferring balls with faces over plain balls"?
44 A. No.
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46 Q. Is that because you do not know about it?
47 A. No, because I know that chickens feed; it is not that
48 they enjoy. You can put a ball or a toy in front of a
49 chicken. You will think as a human, because you think as a
50 human that he is playing with a toy, but he is really not
51 playing. The chicken itself thinks it is food; he thinks
52 it is feed. It is pecking on it, it is picking on it. It
53 does not mean he is playing with it or that he is happy
54 with it.
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56 Q. Would you accept: "Some chickens like listening to
57 classical music"?
58 A. OK, no.
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60 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Pause a moment.
