Day 173 - 16 Oct 95 - Page 29


     
     1        point where we were discussing what could I do, because
     2        I had a very serious situation on my hands; and it was a
     3        matter of delegating and seeking assistance from him.  But
     4        what is in here is exactly, OK, recollection, my sentiments
     5        and my memory of what was happening at the restaurants.
     6
     7   Q.   What all I am saying is, you sat down at some stage with
     8        Mr. Copeland, did you, before this got written?
     9        A.  Yes.
    10
    11   Q.   You chatted about it, and this is what came out of it?
    12        A.  Well, it is a long time ago.  I cannot recollect how
    13        exactly how we did it.
    14
    15   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If you have a specific case you want to put
    16        about it, put it, if it is beyond the fact that someone
    17        from America is there within a day or two of the picketing
    18        starting.  That much is apparent from the fact of the
    19        memo.  If there is something more you want to get, by all
    20        means put it.
    21
    22   MR. MORRIS:  No.  It is just the point I was making.
    23
    24   MS. STEEL:  I do not think it should necessarily be assumed that
    25        he was from America.  He could be from -----
    26
    27   MR. JUSTICE BELL: No.  Well, ask about that if you like.  I do
    28        not want to interrupt your cross-examination, but one thing
    29        you might ask is where Mr. Copeland arrived from, to the
    30        best of Mr. Mehigan's knowledge; did he come from London or
    31        from Chicago, or wherever.
    32
    33   MS. STEEL:  I will ask.  I am not sure how far it takes us,
    34        because he could have come from -----
    35
    36   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  At the moment, I am assuming that he is First
    37        Plaintiff, although someone has put in the name of the
    38        Second Plaintiff, showing a lack of distinction between the
    39        parties which has from time to time been shown in the
    40        course of this case.
    41
    42   MS. STEEL:  I think Mr. Copeland has said in his statement
    43        something about working from the UK some of the time at
    44        least.
    45
    46   MR. RAMPTON:  That was not until the late 1980s.
    47
    48   MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes.
    49
    50   MR. RAMPTON:  1988. 
    51 
    52   MR. JUSTICE BELL: If there is a point on it, why not ask anyway. 
    53
    54   MS. STEEL:  (To the witness)  Do you remember where Mr. Copeland
    55        arrived from when he arrived?
    56        A.  No, I do not.
    57
    58   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  On one construction of matters, it would be
    59        more in your interests that he was working for the First
    60        Plaintiff than the second.

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