Day 293 - 04 Nov 96 - Page 26
1 to be sustainable.
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3 MR. JUSTICE BELL: What was the 1.42? Square miles per cubic
4 volume for what, though?
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6 MR. MORRIS: It is all very complicated. I think that people
7 were at cross-purposes as well during discussion, so I am
8 not sure if I want to go into it, because I think that I am
9 going to do it in a way that I think is simpler. I think
10 people were starting from the wrong angle, partly because
11 that had been McDonald's line.
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13 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Did Mr. Hopkins say -----
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15 MR. MORRIS: Starting with the volume of wood that they used,
16 volume of pulp that they used, or the volume of -- in fact,
17 the volume of packaging that they used by weight. The
18 weight of packaging used, which I think is -- I mean, I can
19 invite you to read it carefully yourself.
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21 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I may have to, but the problem is, you see,
22 I had a quick look at your figures and you start with 20
23 square miles, which you appear to have got from
24 Mr. Kouchoucos.
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26 MR. MORRIS: Yes, it might be slightly higher.
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28 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Was that a sustainable growth or what?
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30 MR. MORRIS: No, no, this is based upon his figures. I will
31 come to that in a minute.
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33 MR. JUSTICE BELL: All right.
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35 MR. MORRIS: Just forget the figures for a moment. I am just
36 trying to identify in Mr. Mallinson's expert opinion things
37 that are relevant in terms of - forget the figures - in
38 terms of forest area, forest cover. So he accepted that,
39 for example, on page 56, line 52, it is in his statement
40 anyway, which we have now got, his extra statement, that,
41 for example, it takes 1,590 tons of pulp wood and 180 tons
42 of sawmill residue to create a thousand tons of saleable
43 carton board. That is before it is chopped up into various
44 products.
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46 So it would be something like you need 1.7 or so times the
47 amount of input in a pulp factory at the beginning of the
48 process to what you get out at the end of the process, in
49 terms of pulp production to carton board production.
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51 That would go to, for example, my point 6, which I had
52 underestimated because by the time I did that I had not
53 analysed all these figures accurately, so that would be my
54 point 6 about material lost in production.
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56 So moving on, page 63 of Mr. Mallinson's evidence, he
57 basically said that McDonald's use would be secondary
58 cuttings, which, if they were not thinnings, they would be
59 tops, but the basic point is that they are never going to
60 be sawn wood. There is always going to be the majority of
