Day 242 - 29 Apr 96 - Page 26
1 Q. -- a treeless desert?
2 A. This is correct, and this is very likely to be --
3 problems of definition are very likely to explain the two
4 -- the apparent differences between the two maps, so what
5 is the definition of a forest?
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7 Q. You have told us that the white parts of the 1961 or the
8 1950 or the 1977 or the 1940 maps show areas that do not
9 contain stands of trees sufficiently large to qualify as
10 forest?
11 A. According to most definitions, yes.
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13 MR. JUSTICE BELL: There must be something in the article which
14 explains what the map is meant to show. It refers to life
15 zones. It has a table number. Rather than asking a
16 witness what it means, why can we not just look at the
17 article and find what Mr. Tosi says it means?
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19 MR. MORRIS: I am trying to find .....
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21 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I mean, it may be an unrewarding search, but
22 it may give us the answer in one sentence.
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24 MR. RAMPTON: It may do, my Lord. I am sure that can be found
25 in due course.
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27 MR. MORRIS: If I can just read out what it says on page 25?
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29 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I had better have a photocopy in due course
30 and I will put it in.
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32 MR. MORRIS: It says, this section -- sorry, it is not
33 absolutely clear. I will have a look see if I can find a
34 suitable explanation.
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36 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes.
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38 MR. RAMPTON: Finally this, you remember the diagrams, again
39 historical deforestation diagrams, in the form of maps
40 which you attached to your last statement?
41 A. Yes, I do.
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43 Q. There are only three of those. They are much less like
44 maps and more like diagrams but they, broadly speaking,
45 also correspond with this Tosi map, do they not ---
46 A. Yes.
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48 Q. -- and with the other five maps taken from Sader and Joyce?
49 A. Well, if you -- I am trying to manipulate three maps
50 here.
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52 Q. I know it is difficult, is it not?
53 A. If you compare the map headed page 167 ---
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55 Q. Yes.
56 A. -- and we were looking at the southern end of
57 Guanacaste -- I am sorry, I am afraid I am lost. Could you
58 repeat your question?
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60 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Can I make a suggestion? On this one I have
