Day 238 - 22 Apr 96 - Page 21


     
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     2   Q.   Do you have any comment on the general spreads?
     3        A.   Of the yellow flashes?
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     5   Q.    Of the yellow flashes in Mato Grosso, particularly in the
     6        southern part?
     7        A.   Well, as I say, certainly also they are near towns
     8        where there are, like Dourados and Amambai, Guarani people
     9        who are living who have been disposed of their land
    10        particularly in during Dourados where the indigenous
    11        reserve is right next to the town.
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    13   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What was the name of the other place?
    14        A.   Amambai and Dourados.
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    16   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I have Dourados.  Where is the first one?
    17        A.   Amambai is southwest of Dourados.  If land claims,
    18        which are currently in the Courts, if indigenous land is to
    19        be extended as under the constitution, the indigenous
    20        people have original rights to their lands.  In the future
    21        if this land were recognised, it could conceivably also
    22        impinge on those areas marked by yellow flashes.
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    24   MR. MORRIS:  I think we have finished.  There is just one thing
    25        I want to check. (Pause) No further questions.  Thank you.
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    27                    Cross-examined by MR. RAMPTON QC:
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    29   Q.   I imagine your Lordship is not going to take a break this
    30        morning?
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    32   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I thought not.  Are we all right?  We did not
    33        get going again until about 20 past 11.
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    35   MR. RAMPTON: Quite.
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    37        (To the witness): Do you prefer Mrs, Miss or Ms?
    38        A.   Ms.
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    40   Q.   Ms Watson, you joined Survival probably in about 1990; is
    41        that right?
    42        A.  Yes.
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    44   Q.   And since then you have made, you tell us in your first
    45        statement, 3 field trips to Brazil each lasting 2-3 months?
    46        A.  Yes.
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    48   Q.   Do you remember the years of those field trips?
    49        A.   The first one was 1990; the second one was 1992 and
    50        the third one was 1993. 
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    52   Q.   Taking them, if you will, in turn.  In summary, where did 
    53        your first trip take you in Brazil?
    54        A.   The first trip took me to Amazona State down to the
    55        south to Guarani area in Rio Grande do Sul also down to
    56        Santa Caterina in the south.
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    58   Q.   That is in the south of Brazil next to Uruguay or wherever
    59        it is?
    60        A.  Yes.

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