Day 096 - 03 Mar 95 - Page 60
1 MS. STEEL: Is that a similar shackling system?
2 A. Yes, that is the shackling system, but our shackles are
3 different. I would be satisfied with that.
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5 MS. STEEL: If you could pause. The stunning method it showed
6 where it stunned it across the neck and then went back a
7 second time, is that what would happen at the Bowes'
8 plant? Is that what you were describing earlier?
9 A. No. I was describing where my staff -- he let go of
10 the pig totally. We would not let go of the pig. If we,
11 I will call it mis-stunned if you wish, so we say we got it
12 on the side of the neck, you just gently let it down and as
13 it comes down the eye then drops to a horizontal position,
14 so you have one part of the stunning tong here and another
15 behind the ear, an absolutely correct stun, but it is
16 actually stunned across the neck. When one considers that
17 is the method how most animals kill each other, pincing the
18 neck.
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20 MS. STEEL: I think there is probably not anything else.
21
22 (The witness returned to the witness box).
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24 MS. STEEL: Could I have five minutes to check through my
25 notes?
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27 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes.
28
29 (Short Adjournment).
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31 MS. STEEL: Can I just clarify something you said? When you
32 were giving evidence in-chief you said McKey's had three
33 factories. Do you mean the two that you supply?
34 A. We have supplied three of their factories.
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36 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Can you think where they are if you think
37 there are three?
38 A. Yes. There is one they recently bought or in the last
39 year or so, a ham factory that belongs to McKey's. I am
40 quite sure, sir, I am fairly sure, I do not think that
41 supplies anything to McDonald's, but we supply legs of pork
42 to their third factory which is another operation of
43 McKey's.
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45 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I am just asking if you can say where they
46 are geographically?
47 A. Yes, Scunthorpe and Milton Keynes.
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49 Q. That is two?
50 A. There are two in Scunthorpe, I being your pardon.
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52 Q. I am not saying you are not right, but we have only heard
53 of Milton Keynes and Scunthorpe. There we are.
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55 MS. STEEL: Each factory sends two people twice a year to visit
56 you?
57 A. Yes. Well, not necessarily. I said at least twice if
58 I recall. All right.
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60 Q. They come twice a year. You said tail docking is left to
