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2 MR. RAMPTON: Dated 1989.
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4 MR. JUSTICE BELL: (To the witness) You cannot remember now
5 whether that is what you saw or not?
6 A. I cannot, no.
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8 MS. STEEL: Do you remember, in the photographs that you got
9 and the descriptions that you got, who the people were that
10 featured in those photographs and descriptions?
11 A. I do not remember the details of them. No, I do not.
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13 Q. For example, you have myself and Andrew Clarke there. Do
14 you remember Paul Gravett being one of them; do you
15 remember Mr. Morris being one of them?
16 A. Having looked at the photographs, I saw someone who
17 looked like it was Paul Gravett, but I really do not
18 remember exactly if that is the complete set of photographs
19 I saw at the time or a part of it. I really could not say
20 at this time.
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22 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It would not be of significance that you did
23 not refer to Paul Gravett and the photograph, because you
24 had already identified him earlier, anyway, in earlier
25 reports?
26 A. That is certainly possible, my Lord. I am not sure why
27 the photographs were presented to me. It may have been for
28 me to identify or it may have been identifying people to
29 me. I really do not remember.
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31 MR. MORRIS: If Kings -- which I am sure it is accepted -- knew
32 the identities by the time, by that time -----
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34 MR. RAMPTON: No, my Lord, it is not accepted. That is
35 absolutely not the case. According to our evidence, the
36 only people whose identities were known at that time were
37 Paul Gravett and Ms. Steel, that is to say -----
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39 MR. JUSTICE BELL: The difficulty is we have a witness of fact
40 in the witness box. It is legitimate to make some
41 exploratory questions, but a times comes when you have to
42 accept, for the purposes of asking the witness questions,
43 that his knowledge may be limited about what other people
44 know or what was going on outside his own sphere of
45 knowledge. So, if it really does help you on a significant
46 issue ask him what his knowledge is.
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48 MR. MORRIS: I will move on then.
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50 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You are in an unproductive area if you ask
51 him to start drawing inferences, unless you think it may
52 jog his memory as to something he actually knows.
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54 MR. MORRIS: Right.
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56 MS. STEEL: If we move on. The final full paragraph on the
57 first page of the 2nd November says, "I was informed that
58 Dave (who I later, during the course of the conversation,
59 discovered to be called Dave Morris) who had invited me
60 would not be attending that meeting. I said that I would
